Hiruzen in his Prime The God Of Shinobis Vs Itachi Uchiha
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Itachi Namikaze
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I just kept asking for them to create a battle scenario. Most of them ignored me or laughed or insulted me.for me the moment ppl insult me in a/discussion debate am done with them
One kid did though, so props to him for trying, but he had alot of false information.
I dont think theres a scenario where Hiruzen Sarutobi wins without a doubt. Itachi is a powerful ninja in his own right, as stated by Kabuto when he played Koto Amatsukami out of seemingly nowhere. Heres some thoughts that I have on this:
1) Itachi Uchiha has all MS techs under his belt by the likes of which Hiruzen has probably never seen. However, he does have a good idea of not to look into his eyes. He was connected at some point with Kagami Uchiha before Tobirama went to his death. Seeing as Danzo's squad and Hiruzen's squad seemed to work together at points, Hiruzen should have been able to find out how Sharingan works through observing Kagami. However, that does not imply that Kagami had access to all the MS techs or even MS itself.
2) Hiruzen Sarutobi has the power of all of Konoha's techniques, this gives him an edge fighting against Itachi one on one. We've seen that he could create powerful Lava Element fireballs by combining Doton jutsu with Katon Jutsu. Combinations of these types of elements give him an edge. Now that would mean Hiruzen's chakra levels should be high enough to handle powerful elements and combine them at the same time.
3) Itachi's speed would be one thing he has over Hiruzen. If Edo Itachi was able to simultaneously dodge Killer Bee and KM Naruto (who is now near FTG speed) then obviously he has quick reflexes thus speed. His Sharingan would allow him to counter Taijutsu from Hiruzen with some ease.
4) If Hiruzen has access to FTG then he would be killer in this battle. However its hard to speculate if he uses kunai's similar to Yondaime. Even so, FTG would place him in numerous advantages if he can pull it strategically.
5)Both ninja have some kind of advantage over the other. For instance, Itachi would not know every single jutsu Hiruzen has to use and Hiruzen does not know that Itachi possess powerful MS jutsu either.
Conclusion: Both ninja are paired up pretty squarely but Id have to take Itachi's side on this one. Both ninja are at disadvantage but Hiruzen seems more at a disadvantage in this battle. Even though Itachi is overpowered through techs, most of Hiruzen's jutsus wouldnt work on Susanoo or if he gets trapped in Tsukoyomi. Hiruzen even said himself that strength is not determined by the number of jutsus a ninja masters. Itachi has his bases covered with Susanoo and the rest of his MS techniques. The most formidable Hiruzen has would be FTG due to how quick it could put him into killing Itachi. Hiruzen's Death God Sealing technique is a stalemate since it seals both casters. But Sword of Totsuka would seal just the opponent. Yata Mirror would deflect most jutsu's and Enma. The rest would just be to kill Hiruzen. However, if Hiruzen was able to get close enough with FTG and smack him with a powerful jutsu, then it could turn his favor. Even so, one jutsu close range cannot decide the entire battle from what we have seen. It would depend on some kind of jutsu we have never seen from his arsenal that would be one shot kill, however that would be in speculation and not through solid facts. Itachi takes this one with great difficulty.
-------I am not an Uchiha Fanboy nor an Itachi fanboy. This was done as unbiased as I could make it------------
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lord mizukage
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Wow ok now i no longer take you seriously. Your'e either stupendously Biased towards your'e favorite character, or your just ridiculouslyStupid beyond recogniton. never have i heard an itachi tard say that itachi is faster than everyone in the manga in terms of base speed.
im not even gunna waist my time and provide obvious evidence that proves your statement wrong. and i can point out a multitude of things. but im just going to let you believe that your'e favorite character is the fastest in the manga in terms of base speed ok itachi-nerd?
and lol your'e calling me semi-retarted? i advise you to re-read your'e recent posts in this thread before you call someone like me retarded.
this is my last reply to this thread.
I agree with the first part but disagree with the rest. Nagato also was named a God, and at the end he lost (no matter how, he lost in the end). These names dont say much..to an Genin even someone like Sakura will look like a god.
Do they have Intel about each other? If not I´m going to say that Itachi wins this..his Susano´o with the Items is incredibly strong. He can wait for the right moment and hit Sarutobi when he doesnt expect it. The Totsuka Sword is VERY fast as we saw with Orochimaru.
With Intel on each other we cant know, we never saw the full power of Sarutobi (and I doubt we will ever see that..he died long ago and was never mentioned again).
Spaniard1World1Love
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Pple talk about us not knowing about Hiruzen at his prime. But in the same way we don't know much about Itachi in his prime. In the first arc, we see him get weak to the extent that he tells Kisame he needs to rest after a short duel with Kakashi(no MS), Asuma and Kureina. His battle with sasuke might seem grand but on reflection in actual fact is pathetic in that Sasuke went on to lose horribly at the hands of Bee. What do you have to show that Itachi is even that strong to battle the God of Shinobi in the first place.
First of all, Itachi has actually shown us feats in the series. We've seen him in action before and know what he has to offer. And on top of that, most fights we do see him in, he never has the intention to kill. He didnt want to kill anyone in Konoha in the First arc and he didnt want to kill Sasuke when he battled him. Itachi not holding back, no sickness would be much more powerful than what he has shown already.
We have to hype Hiruzen's prime because we havent seen it yet. Everything is based off of rational speculation about what we seen from his old age. This 'God of Shinobi' could have been really weak or really powerful, we dont know. You shouldnt make it look as though we are exaggerating Itachi so much that he could beat Hiruzen like an infant. That would be fanboyism and most rational debaters, such as myself, would not resort to that and actually have some facts to support our conjectures.
The feats he has shown in the series through the manga and the anime. All the techniques and abilities he has shown that he can do. Itachi isnt hype at all because we know what hes capable of. Hype would be exaggerating about a character we know absolutely nothing about or have seen nothing about. Such as Hashirama Senju or the Sage of Six Paths.
Blaze Release
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This thread is rather pointless, we obviously havent seen sarutobi in his prime.
At the same time although he have seen more from itachi and although he died undefeated we never truly saw his full potential.
Anyway by hype hiruzen
By feat itachi
At the same time although he have seen more from itachi and although he died undefeated we never truly saw his full potential.
Anyway by hype hiruzen
By feat itachi
hiruzen casts Bringer of darkness jutsu , the ultimate doujtusu killer... itachi's only way of escaping is hitting the caster... Itachi is no sensor , so once blind, amaterasu, tsukyomi, susanno , etc etc is all useless... making clones or something , hiruzen goes around susanno and delivers a killing blow
Just following your rules
Blaze Release
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Actually whilst its true that itachi isnt a sensor ninja he has demonstrated many skill in knowing exactly where people are. He seems to very aware of his surroundings. Btw where di you get the idea that hiruzen knows how to utilise bringer of darkness and even if he does, chances are itachi would get him in a genjutsu first before he can use his
but still not enough to call him a sensor, just really aware of things... I believe kakuzu called it sensing presences , he was amazed that kakashi snuck up behind him and was able to hide his , itachi was able to tell that sasuke was behind him, when they were younger he knew he was hiding behind the door, He seems to be have a keen sense in these things , but still not enough , I also said that hiruzen sends a clone or something, just to make sure he doesnt get it, a clone is more than enough to finish a blind itachi..
70% Blind itachi was operating horribly, couldnt dodge things etc.. fully blind itachi would get his shit fked up
And i was just follow shishui's rules, he said give hiruzen all the jutsu's of konoha except hiden and not kkg, just like his hype states, and make 1 situation where he wins
While he may not have it, it is a possibility , he seemed to have seen it before, he knew that he couldnt just break it by disruption of chakra, and waited for the moment to strike the caster,
With his title professor, and his nack for learning jutsu, it possible
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Blaze Release
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And why are people mentioning ftg.
Firstly i hear people saying hiruzen knows bringer of darkness, next i hear people talking about ftg. Whilst its been said he knows every technique in konoha do you really believe he knows these two.
Link me a manga chapter first where he has shown either ftg or bringer of darkness
Firstly i hear people saying hiruzen knows bringer of darkness, next i hear people talking about ftg. Whilst its been said he knows every technique in konoha do you really believe he knows these two.
Link me a manga chapter first where he has shown either ftg or bringer of darkness
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Orochimaruwantsyourbody
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Honestly,this thread is just ridiculous and not even worth of discussing.Prime Hiruzen should never exist in vs threads,because he has no feats.
Umm,he never had it.
