Hiruzen has a unique Sage Mode as well!
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I hate Narutopedia, people always use that place like it's the damn manag. It's filled with more misconceptions than the fanboys themselves. I usually like reading about character personalities there, those are the only things they are right about.
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Well, I dont normally quote it UNLESS there is a ref number to the statement that coincides with the manga.
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Who knows, maybe hirusen in his primes had it, maybe that its why he was called the god of shinobi, because even before jiraya could trained for his, maybe hiruzen was using it. dont knows but for some reason the guy was called the god shinobi.
I’ve actually theorized about this for awhile. I believe Hiruzen learned Sage Mode from the Suiren Caves taught to him by the disciples of Sage King of the Apes, Son Goku. Since the caves was for apes, Enma likely resided there.
Jiraiya and Orochimaro both learned about Sage Mode. Two people who, coincidentally, had Hiruzen as their Sensei. In fact, Jiraiya was a mere pupil when we first saw him hang around the sage toads it’s very unlikely he randomly found Mount Myoboku. I believe Fukasaku even said it was impossible to find by foot for those who don’t know the secret route. Since Orochimaro also learned about it, thus everyone so far has been of a certain student-teacher lineage, I don’t see how anybody can dismiss it so easily when Kishi loves foreshadowing, and this is imo so blinding Stevie Wonder wears two pair of sunglasses to protect himself. Hiruzen gave directions to his young students- which he likely learned from Hashirama.
Why didn’t Hiruzen use it against Orochimaro?
Forgetting about potential retcons and whatnot, old age affected all of Hiruzen physical attributes in a serious way, which includes his chakra reserves. You must have a large chakra pool to enter/maintain Sage Mode, so, logically; Hiruzen could not access it during the Kage battle due to old age. Same way he couldn’t spam Kage Bunshin anymore.
Remember, Shikaku also knew about Sage Mode, well enough to know that a user instantly walked around on different tier when activated. There’re only so many sources, and it was likely him he learned it from. He ruled for a half century, through several world wars, and wielded the impressive moniker “Shinobi God” –like Hashi and S06P himself- for that to make sense Hiruzen needed an ace, the most plausible thing being SM.
Btw, three equally famed places =/= only places you can teach Sage Mode.
Jiraiya and Orochimaro both learned about Sage Mode. Two people who, coincidentally, had Hiruzen as their Sensei. In fact, Jiraiya was a mere pupil when we first saw him hang around the sage toads it’s very unlikely he randomly found Mount Myoboku. I believe Fukasaku even said it was impossible to find by foot for those who don’t know the secret route. Since Orochimaro also learned about it, thus everyone so far has been of a certain student-teacher lineage, I don’t see how anybody can dismiss it so easily when Kishi loves foreshadowing, and this is imo so blinding Stevie Wonder wears two pair of sunglasses to protect himself. Hiruzen gave directions to his young students- which he likely learned from Hashirama.
Why didn’t Hiruzen use it against Orochimaro?
Forgetting about potential retcons and whatnot, old age affected all of Hiruzen physical attributes in a serious way, which includes his chakra reserves. You must have a large chakra pool to enter/maintain Sage Mode, so, logically; Hiruzen could not access it during the Kage battle due to old age. Same way he couldn’t spam Kage Bunshin anymore.
Remember, Shikaku also knew about Sage Mode, well enough to know that a user instantly walked around on different tier when activated. There’re only so many sources, and it was likely him he learned it from. He ruled for a half century, through several world wars, and wielded the impressive moniker “Shinobi God” –like Hashi and S06P himself- for that to make sense Hiruzen needed an ace, the most plausible thing being SM.
Btw, three equally famed places =/= only places you can teach Sage Mode.
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This^ is excellent! Seems like we both came to the same conclusion! But your theory is way more detailed and elaborate than mine. Good job, plus rep!
You did a great job.This^ is excellent! Seems like we both came to the same conclusion! But your theory is way more detailed and elaborate than mine. Good job, plus rep!
It's mind-boggling how many asked you for prove when this is merely a theory, albeit a well-supported one.
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I forgot about the Suiren Caves, that would have been a strong foothold. But I have a lot of people on this forum who make it a point not to agree with me and fight back however they can. lol
Anyway, Hiruzen having SM in his prime is pretty obvious, no wonder he could only defend himself in his old age, I mean....the guy found his own weapon heavy.
I can't wait to see his Sage Mode, it will probably be equally as epic as Hashirama's.
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Not entirely, his Summon Enma is supposedly a disciple of Son Goku, Sage King of the Apes. And then there's the manga fact that he was far stronger in his prime. Young age means more chakra, which could possibly mean a Sage Mode, ape style!
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There's nothing connecting Enma and Son Goku other than the fact that they're the same species. Though, they're slightly connected in the sense that Enma is based off Sun Wukong, as is Goku(though not as much so as Enma, talking about Goku from DBZ, not Goku in Naruto)...so I case you can make some sort of connection based on that, but it'd be extremely far fetched, lol.
We've been given why Hiruzen was considered God of Shinobi. His love for his village, willing to give his life to protect them, as well as his ability to master all 3 ninja arts, obtaining over 1,000 jutsu without any doujutsu. People loved and worshiped him and his abilities were far beyond that of the average ninja. Just one of those things alone can have you defined as a God by your people. He had both.
We've been given why Hiruzen was considered God of Shinobi. His love for his village, willing to give his life to protect them, as well as his ability to master all 3 ninja arts, obtaining over 1,000 jutsu without any doujutsu. People loved and worshiped him and his abilities were far beyond that of the average ninja. Just one of those things alone can have you defined as a God by your people. He had both.
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Bro, Son Goku has called himself the Sage King of the Apes who hails from Suiren Caves! That is most likely Enma's home!
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Or Enma could just be an extremely powerful monkey that Hiruzen befriended and signed a summoning contract with. That's just as likely as that theory.
Enma is the Monkey King. It's not just a title for show, that's what he's based on and listed as in the manga. He's not like Boss Toad Gamabunta, who had people above him such as Ma and Pa and the Great Toad Sage. In the mythology, Sun Wukong joined a clan of monkeys, and after discovering the Shuilian Cave, was worshiped and became their king. There was no one above him. He led and trained his clan. It wouldn't fit the mythology that Enma is based on to have him not be, if there are more monkeys like/similar to him in the manga, the king of his kind.