[Theory] Hiruzen greater than Prime Danzo? Greater than Izanagi/Koto?

[Senju Bean]

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Danzo could never catch up to Hiruzen.


This is the same Danzo that has 10 Izanagis and the ultimate genjutsu, Kotoamatsukami.

Kotoamatsukami is so powerful, that Itachi, who is supremely intelligent according to mastermind BZ, wisely judged that it can easily subjugate any EMS user, such as Sasuke.

(note, Danzo only lost because he was saving Koto for Obito, aka "Madara")

Yet, Danzo with Koto cannot defeat Hiruzen.

Remember, Danzo judged that Koto can take out Madara. This is the same Danzo that saw first hand Hashirama's godlike powers. Even after understanding Madara's capacities, he still judged that Koto would take Madara out. Amazing.


Hiruzen is beyond Koto.


Prime Hiruzen easily stomps on and Izanagi/Koto user.

 

[riley freeman]

I think danzo wasn't talking about powers and strength

 

[startup97]

Believe in the Hype

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Hiruzen knows all Hidden Leaf Jutsu which equals =
Hiruzen (sarutobi clan)
Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning
Fire Release: Great Flame Technique
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique


Hiruzen w/ Enma
Beast Human Clone
Dynamic Marking
Fang Passing Fang
Fang Rotating Fang (Manga only) - Capable of crushing stone
Fang Wolf Fang - The power is great enough to dent a Rashōmon gate
Four Legs Technique
Human Beast Combination Transformation: Double-Headed Wolf
Passing Fang


Aburame Clan
Secret Technique: Insect Gathering
Insect Clone Technique
Human Cocoon Technique
Insect Jamming Technique
Insect Jar Technique
Parasitic Destruction Insect Technique
Secret Technique: Insect Cocoon
Secret Technique: Insect Sphere
Secret Technique: Insect Tornado
Spindle Formation

Akimichi clan
Butterfly Bullet Bombing
Calorie Control
Double Human Bullet Tank
Human Bullet Tank
Multi-Size Technique
Partial Multi-Size Technique
Spiked Human Bullet Tank
Super Multi-Size Technique
Super Open Hand Slap

Nara clan
Black Spider Lily
Shadow Gathering Technique
Shadow Imitation Shuriken Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Shadow Sewing Technique
Shadow–Neck Binding Technique

Yamanaka Clan
Mind Body Disturbance Technique
Mind Body Switch Technique
Mind Clone Switch Technique
Mind Disturbance Dance Performance Technique (Anime only)
Mind Puppet Switch Cursed Seal Technique
Yamanaka Clan Telepathy

Uchiha Clan
Fire Release: Dragon Flame Release Song Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades
Uchiha Flame Battle Encampment

Other Hidden Leaf Tech
Water Clone Technique
Water Release: Water Colliding Wave (Anime only)
Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Water Release: Water Encampment Wall
Water Release: Water Trumpet
Chidori
Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique
Earth Release: Multiple Earth-Style Wall (Anime only)
Eight Gates
Evil Sealing Method
Eye Mind Reading
Front Lotus
Lightning Beast Running Technique
Lightning Cutter
Lightning Release Shadow Clone
Lightning Transmission (Manga only)
Lion Combo
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique
One Thousand Years of Death
Rasengan
Shadow Clone Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Eight Trigrams Mountain Crusher
Eight Trigrams One Hundred Twenty-Eight Palms
Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven
Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms
Eight Trigrams Thirty-Two Palms
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Wall Palm
Hyūga Main Family's Juinjutsu
Palm Bottom
Protection of the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms
Water Needle
Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Silent Killing
Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique
Wind Release: Great Breakthrough
+ Neutalizer technique, Ghost Transformation, Bringer of Darkness and all 8 Gates at will.

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VIZ PROOF.

"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.

DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

"Hiruzen in his Prime was able to counter every Leaf Jutsu in Existance including all MS and EMS skills." DB2 Pg 84

Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

He who even holds the affectionate name of "Professor," being well-versed in every jutsu that exists in the village of Konohagakure

 

[Agent Phrank]

Lord Teuchi solos everyone and everything.
Enjoy your ramen.

 

[BLAZE]

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[Cresee]

What are Hiruzen counters against KA? Just because Danzo didn't use it against him doesn't mean it will not work on him.

 

[Senju Bean]

What are Hiruzen counters against KA? Just because Danzo didn't use it against him doesn't mean it will not work on him.

Are you sure he didn't use it against him?

He tried to assinate Hiruzen many times.

Since KA was his ultimate weapon, logic dictates that he used it at some point, but Hiruzen countered it.


We are going to Danzo's sly personality. Since Danzo is sly, he must have tried at some point.

 

[Cresee]

Are you sure he didn't use it against him?

He tried to assinate Hiruzen many times.

Since KA was his ultimate weapon, logic dictates that he used it at some point, but Hiruzen countered it.


We are going to Danzo's sly personality. Since Danzo is sly, he must have tried at some point.

The only answer would be PLOT.

 

[ᖇ α z m α η]

Prime Hiruzen is beyond Narutoverse .​

What are Hiruzen counters against KA?

Neutralizer .​

 

[Cresee]

Prime Hiruzen is beyond Narutoverse .​

Neutralizer .​

Meh, Fanfiction jutsu, Neutraliser joke is overused.
One guy got this idea by thinking that Hiruzen stopped the 3rd Coffin. It was NOT HIM, it was because Minato was already sealed in the RDS. I don't know why people don't get this simple thing.

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Danzo > Hiruzen.

 

[startup97]

Meh, Fanfiction jutsu, Neutraliser joke is overused.
One guy got this idea by thinking that Hiruzen stopped the 3rd Coffin. It was NOT HIM, it was because Minato was already sealed in the RDS. I don't know why people don't get this simple thing.

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Danzo > Hiruzen.

Danzo admitted in his dying moments that he was inferior to Hiruzen.
Hiruzen>Danzo

 

[Vega]

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Meh, Fanfiction jutsu, Neutraliser joke is overused.
One guy got this idea by thinking that Hiruzen stopped the 3rd Coffin. It was NOT HIM, it was because Minato was already sealed in the RDS. I don't know why people don't get this simple thing.

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Danzo > Hiruzen.

Danzo already admitted inferiority, so Hiruzen>>Danzo. Also that doesn't disprove the neutralizer, if anything Orochimaru was trying to use a messed up match (4th's coffin) that was never going to lit but Hiruzen poured water over it to stop it had it done so anyways (via Neutralizer).

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Hiruzen is badass, they need to stop underestimating him.

 

[Senju Bean]

The only answer would be PLOT.

Nah we can't assume plot.

A middle school writer can easily solve plot issues.

Kishi is beyond that.

We simply have to assume Danzo took the logical step.


There's a lot of stuff in the manga; Kishi can't connect all the dots for us.

 

[so12p]

Consistently stomped danzo, but I am not sure about the rest of that post. Hiruzen really was the lesser of all the hokages.

 

[Cresee]

Danzo admitted in his dying moments that he was inferior to Hiruzen.
Hiruzen>Danzo

Meh, he didn't admit inferiority in terms of power. What are Hiruzen counters to KA?

Danzo already admitted inferiority, so Hiruzen>>Danzo. Also that doesn't disprove the neutralizer, if anything Orochimaru was trying to use a messed up match (4th's coffin) that was never going to lit but Hiruzen poured water over it to stop it had it done so anyways (via Neutralizer).

Fanfiction bullshit. Scans of him using the Neutraliser? You can't say he used neutraliser on the 3rd coffin since Kabuto already proved that it was stopped because Minato was already sealed in the RDS.

Nah we can't assume plot.

A middle school writer can easily solve plot issues.

Kishi is beyond that.

We simply have to assume Danzo took the logical step.


There's a lot of stuff in the manga; Kishi can't connect all the dots for us.

Tell me again, what are Hiruzen's counters to KA? Danzo didn't use it just because of PLOT.

 

[Vega]

Fanfiction bullshit. Scans of him using the Neutraliser? You can't say he used neutraliser on the 3rd coffin since Kabuto already proved that it was stopped because Minato was already sealed in the RDS.

Um the scans are already there with him saying "

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." I've already explained in my previous post regarding Kabuto's statement, which was used to show Tobi that he cannot revive the past kages for due reason of being sealed in the Reaper. Just because you choose not to accept this (Hiruzen having a sort of Neutralizer) does not eliminate it's validity. Furthermore Danzo already admitted inferiority and acknowledged Hiruzen as the superior of the duo. No point in arguing with the manga m8.

 

[Senju Bean]

Meh, he didn't admit inferiority in terms of power. What are Hiruzen counters to KA?

Fanfiction bullshit. Scans of him using the Neutraliser? You can't say he used neutraliser on the 3rd coffin since Kabuto already proved that it was stopped because Minato was already sealed in the RDS.



Tell me again, what are Hiruzen's counters to KA? Danzo didn't use it just because of PLOT.

He has neutralizer. That could be a counter.


Just because Oro screwed up doesn't mean Hiruzen doesn't have Neutralizer.

Why would Hiruzen use a technique that he doesn't have? Was he playing pretend? I don't think so.


By assuming plot, you are assuming Kishi's a moron who can't do basic writing.