Hiruzen Doesn't Know

[jamarcusp17]

I hate that everyone believes that Hiruzen can knows and can perform every technique in the Leaf Village. It's not like he could go around using 8 Trigrams 64 Palms, or Susano'o. Even in knowledge, those types of techniques, he wouldn't have complete knowledge of.

 

[hixa kuogame]

agreed he cant perform every jutsu but he can know them all

 

[Lucidus]

oh no... do not unearth his fanboys... they are worse than itachi's...

but yes agreed he most likely knows all of the 'villages' jutsu however those that were made by certain characters or jutsu that belonged to a certain clan he wouldnt no imo ...

hiruzen cant use ransegan or chidori nor can he use FTG or any clan techs... only the techs that were in the scrolls apart from the forbidden jutsu's since it seemed he had high respect for them

 

[Ōkami]

If you bash it, they will come.

 

[TheCCV]

He knows every tecnique available to the average shinobi. He can't master bloodline techniques and Gentle Fist taijutsu.

 

[Oronagato]

oh no... do not unearth his fanboys... they are worse than itachi's...

but yes agreed he most likely knows all of the 'villages' jutsu however those that were made by certain characters or jutsu that belonged to a certain clan he wouldnt no imo ...

hiruzen cant use ransegan or chidori nor can he use FTG or any clan techs... only the techs that were in the scrolls apart from the forbidden jutsu's since it seemed he had high respect for them

You can't be serious. So you mean to tell me Minato, Jiraiya, Kakashi and Konohamaru can use Rasengan but not the Professor?? SMH. You admitted in a thread that you hate Hiruzen. It makes sense now

 

[kc8]

he can't use bloodline techniques. he should know everthing else

 

[iRefleX]

Seems Hiruzen is quite under estimated on base

I'm guessing Hiruzen is similar to Hashirama in terms of fighting. Tobirama & Minato are similar. Which is why I'm guessing Hiruzen and Hashirama are going to be similar

 

[~Puppet Master~]

He only knows Katon and Doton techs, so not nearly every technique in Konoha.

 

[Wukong]

The other problem with him knowing every jutsu in the leaf would contradict the whole most ninja only can learn 2 elemental jutsu's as we have seen he did perform a fire and earth type jutsu; but no water, lightning, or wind.
Also he wouldn't be able to perform KG techniques since they are unique to a person/clan, what I do believe is he might be able to perform all the basic jutsu's of the village and even might be able to use every basic element, but this is yet to have been seen (only thing stated is he knows over 1000 jutsus & all the jutsu's in the hidden leaf) but as far as we know the only technique he made was the shadow clone shuriken

 

[Lucidus]

You can't be serious. So you mean to tell me Minato, Jiraiya, Kakashi and Konohamaru can use Rasengan but not the Professor?? SMH. You admitted in a thread that you hate Hiruzen. It makes sense now

yes i do dislike hiruzen.. im not gonna lie about that but im not biased enough to go hating on character.. thats just pathetic and pointless :| .. in fact tsunade even said at first that only jiraiya and minato could perform rasengan.. now since this was still during part 1 and since tsunade was his student .. if hiruzen knew the tech then she would of mentioned hiruzen aswell as minato and jiraiya... but she didnt...

Techs that hiruzen most likely would not know:
Jutsu that are created by another person unless taught to him.. E.G FTG , Rasengan, Chidori
Jutsu that belong to a particular clan.. E.G shadow possesion, mind transfer, partial expansion
Forbidden jutsu.. E.G edo tensei

the jutsu within the scrolls that belong to the village and not just to one or 2 people.. these are the jutsu that he knows

 

[Exaar]

oh no... do not unearth his fanboys... they are worse than itachi's...

but yes agreed he most likely knows all of the 'villages' jutsu however those that were made by certain characters or jutsu that belonged to a certain clan he wouldnt no imo ...

hiruzen cant use ransegan or chidori nor can he use FTG or any clan techs... only the techs that were in the scrolls apart from the forbidden jutsu's since it seemed he had high respect for them

What makes you think he doesn't know Chidori/Rasengan, he learn't RDS of minato, Learning Rasengan/Chidori would be a peace of cake for him.

The part of the hype people do not get is, It was during his prime he could use all Jutsu's that existed in the leaf, Stuff like rasengan/FTG came long after his prime, He was retired so he obvously fell behind the times a bit. Anything that was a None KKG that existed in the leaf during his prime, he knows according to his hype.

Clan type jutsu's can be learn't by out-siders also, Since they aren't KKG's, Obviously the clan keeps them secrets but the Databooks say he was the most beloved hokage, So it wouldn't be to crazy for them to allow him to learn them out of respect, Even if he rarely uses them.

 

[ForbiddenUzumaki]

Hiruzen is fodder, everyone knows that by now.

Between, they also said he was the strongest :sy:

 

[NobleRider]

embrace.. the winter is coming

 

[Aotsuki Katsumi]

Knowing all techniques is physically impossible, especially bloodline wise. He can´t use techniques from every single element, he only showed us Katon and Doton and without something that grants it somehow like Kakuzu's Earth Grudge Fear or the Rinnegan supposedly he can´t be an all-elemental.

Basically, when the ninja said he knew every technique in the village it was largely hype and exaggeration. Bloodlines are an obvious No of course. I like Hiruzen, but yeah, that saying is just too untrue. Not even worth saying any further.

 

[Lucidus]

What makes you think he doesn't know Chidori/Rasengan, he learn't RDS of minato, Learning Rasengan/Chidori would be a peace of cake for him.

The part of the hype people do not get is, It was during his prime he could use all Jutsu's that existed in the leaf, Stuff like rasengan/FTG came long after his prime, He was retired so he obvously fell behind the times a bit. Anything that was a None KKG that existed in the leaf during his prime, he knows according to his hype.

Clan type jutsu's can be learn't by out-siders also, Since they aren't KKG's, Obviously the clan keeps them secrets but the Databooks say he was the most beloved hokage, So it wouldn't be to crazy for them to allow him to learn them out of respect, Even if he rarely uses them.

read my other post.. it explains more ...

but i agree like u said he might of once knew every jutsu but the times change and move on and jutsu are created that he wouldnt know... because with the logic ur using he should by rights also know FTG and every seal the uzumaki clan could use :|

 

[Exaar]

read my other post.. it explains more ...

but i agree like u said he might of once knew every jutsu but the times change and move on and jutsu are created that he wouldnt know... because with the logic ur using he should by rights also know FTG and every seal the uzumaki clan could use :|

FTG came after his Prime, he was retired.

Before you say about Tobirama's FTG Slash, That was never Proven as FTG, It could of simply been a Kenjutsu Slash named after the thunder god for it's speed, Thus where minto got the name. Even if he did know it, I doubt he had the chakra to use it in his old age.

As for the Uzumaki seals, He might aswell know most if not all of their sealing power, He did learn RDS after all so he has skill in sealing Jutsu's.

Orochimaru isn't no fodder that doesn't know Hiruzen, he was his student and knows of his Prime, he is one of the most credible people to talk about hiruzen, Hiruzen himself never denied the facts Oro stated

 

[Inichi Matsuka]

Well obviously not bloodline techniques.. Pretty sure just about every elemental style jutsu he had available though.

 

[Lucidus]

FTG came after his Prime, he was retired.

Before you say about Tobirama's FTG Slash, That was never Proven as FTG, It could of simply been a Kenjutsu Slash named after the thunder god for it's speed, Thus where minto got the name. Even if he did know it, I doubt he had the chakra to use it in his old age.

As for the Uzumaki seals, He might aswell know most if not all of their sealing power, He did learn RDS after all so he has skill in sealing Jutsu's.

its just very unlikely... let me use another example...

if hiruzen could use every tech in konoha this would also include the 5 elements

he would have to know all 5 elements aswell and we know this isnt true.. even the best of ninja can only use about 3 ..

 

[Exaar]

its just very unlikely... let me use another example...

if hiruzen could use every tech in konoha this would also include the 5 elements

he would have to know all 5 elements aswell and we know this isnt true.. even the best of ninja can only use about 3 ..

There is your problem, Hiruzen isn't no normal shinobi, He is the best of the best, he was special enough to be deemed a God of shinobi and even hyped to be stronger than Hashirama.
He mastered over 1000 Techs without the need of the sharingan's copying abilities.

Even in his old age, His databook states match/close to that of a genius like Kakashi.