Hiruko VS Itachi Uchiha

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Aikor

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any proof on that except for the itachi signature?

Ofc hiruko cant escape his tsukuyomi as itachi said only someone who shares his same blood can counter it(meaning someone like sasuke with sharingan can escape it) hiruko will be just tortured there for 3 days!!!
 

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Hiruko has no counter to Genjutsu and she's fighting the best Genjutsu user in the series.

Uhm, gg?

Yeah that's pretty much thread. Everything else here is meaningless unless you also assume that Hiruko get's to ambush itachi and has full intel not to look into his eyes but even that's iffy because he's been shown to cast genjutsu with a twitch of his finger at people who don't make eye contact.
 

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Anyoune who says that Itachi stomps, obviously hasn't even seen Hiruko in actuon. Hiruko solos. Avoiding eye contact is his counter to genjutsu.
 

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Oh yeah, turns out Hiruko can't be set on fire or pierced with Totsuka Blade even if Itachi was able to catch him.

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Also if he uses Susanoo (which he will) Hiruko can manipulate the ground underneath him to swallow him up. The only ninja who can really get one-shotted by such flimsy genjutsu is Orochimaru, who has admitted to Genjutsu being his weak point.
 

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I heard counters for everything except Genjutsu Itachi wins this. Sakura took multiple punches from this kid Itachi could do the same. Raikage level speed is that's nothing but pure assumption. Not to mention Raikage needed to prep his bodyflicker to dodge Amaterasu so i don't see this kid dodging it. Absorbing Ninjutsu would be useless against Amaterasu because it's not visible until it hits you.
 

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Oh yeah, turns out Hiruko can't be set on fire or pierced with Totsuka Blade even if Itachi was able to catch him.

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Also if he uses Susanoo (which he will) Hiruko can manipulate the ground underneath him to swallow him up. The only ninja who can really get one-shotted by such flimsy genjutsu is Orochimaru, who has admitted to Genjutsu being his weak point.

Flimsy genjutsu? His genjutsu is the best in the series. It's his trademark, more so than random uchiha stuff like fire jutsu or even his special susanoo. Even his manifestation of mangekyou comes with an enhanced genjutsu that's been shown to be all but unbreakable if you don't also have a mangekyou. Even in the case of forbidden mangekyou techniques, he uses Izanami which is a genjutsu.

If you can't point to a single better genjutsu user in the series, then don't brush off itachi's genjutsu as 'such a flimsy genjutsu that only trash like orochimaru (...the s-rank ninja) would get caught in it'.
 

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Genjutsu is itachi only way to win. Itachi mid-high difficulty.
 

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Oh yeah, turns out Hiruko can't be set on fire or pierced with Totsuka Blade even if Itachi was able to catch him.

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Also if he uses Susanoo (which he will) Hiruko can manipulate the ground underneath him to swallow him up. The only ninja who can really get one-shotted by such flimsy genjutsu is Orochimaru, who has admitted to Genjutsu being his weak point.

Orochimaru is a 5 in genjutsu... That's the highest level you can attain and he was even surprised genjutsu worked... You know this is a BS argument. Orochimaru being caught in genjutsu confirms any non-dojutsu user is highly susceptible. That's a fact.
 

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Flimsy genjutsu? His genjutsu is the best in the series. It's his trademark, more so than random uchiha stuff like fire jutsu or even his special susanoo. Even his manifestation of mangekyou comes with an enhanced genjutsu that's been shown to be all but unbreakable if you don't also have a mangekyou. Even in the case of forbidden mangekyou techniques, he uses Izanami which is a genjutsu.

If you can't point to a single better genjutsu user in the series, then don't brush off itachi's genjutsu as 'such a flimsy genjutsu that only trash like orochimaru (...the s-rank ninja) would get caught in it'.

I'm saying that to the people who think Itachi could defeat this above Sannin ninja with just basic sharingan genjutsu (the one Itachi used to daze the Konoha guard) which we can only assume is basic level genjutsu.

I'm not saying Itachi couldn't genjutsu Hiruko (Izanami isnt working though) hey even Ephemeral could mess with him, i'm just saying- it's not some instant inescapable one-shot. Hiruko has equal chances of frazzling him with huge scale ninjutsu (which trumps Itachis) and especially with the Raikage level speed I think he stands just a good of a chance of getting Itachi as vice versa. If Itachi goes Susanoo it's all over for him and considering Itachi won't know that, he can be in trouble.
 

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Everything you said about Orochimaru and Totsuka is pure speculation.

All we know is that Orochimaru wanted it and that it can lengthen, like it did against Nagato. Orochimaru wanted the Totsuka for himself and he's human form.

Not to mention it being that large wouldn't make sense since the only things that big are summons.
 

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Everything you said about Orochimaru and Totsuka is pure speculation.

All we know is that Orochimaru wanted it and that it can lengthen, like it did against Nagato. Orochimaru wanted the Totsuka for himself and he's human form.

Not to mention it being that large wouldn't make sense since the only things that big are summons.

I'm not repeating what I said so I might just copy/paste it, but even that I cant be bothered for.

OROCHIMARU HAS A GIGANTIC SNAKE MODE, HE HAS A SNAKE SUMMONING THAT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO CARRY SWORDS IN ITS MOUTH, ALL OF OROCHIMARU'S SNAKES HAVE SWORDS IN THEIR MOUTHS INCLUDING OROCHIMARU HIMSELF

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Yeah, I read it and it's nothing but speculation.

Like I said, Totsuka can lengthen and it being that huge wouldn't make any sense. Who would it have made for? Some unknown giant?

I'm not saying that Orochimaru can't do that, just that it's no reason for you to say that it's only a giant sword.
 

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Hiruko blitzing sakura is not a huge feat sasuke can do the same thing. Itachi wins.
 

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Yeah, I read it and it's nothing but speculation.

Like I said, Totsuka can lengthen and it being that huge wouldn't make any sense. Who would it have made for? Some unknown giant?

I'm not saying that Orochimaru can't do that, just that it's no reason for you to say that it's only a giant sword.

It's a god tool. It's existence in the manga does not make sense at all. It's not speculation to say a snake or Orochimaru could easily carry it in it's mouth. That's NOT what speculation is.

Saying that something we haven't really seen can do something we haven't see it do IS speculation.
 

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Hiruko blitzing sakura is not a huge feat sasuke can do the same thing. Itachi wins.

That's hardly the prime moment of his power though. The 5 Nations were scared to fight him and forced the Leaf to deal with him, and even then Tsunade's only plan was to send the Leaf's strongest ninja to commit suicide to trick him.

It took Kakashi, Naruto, Sakura, Sai, Team Asuma, Team Guy and Team Kurenai to defeat him. And even then, it was only down to one specific jutsu mysteriously not being able to be absorbed that led to his death. He's no weakling, that's just some gif I used for decoration. He's stronger than any of the Sannin.
 

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Yeah, it doesn't makes sense in a manga where a tree can be absorbed.
 

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Have we seen Orochimaru say that he wanted Totsuka for that reason?

Not really solid when you have no proof other than "Orochimaru could do it, so that's what he was going to do"
 
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