there isn't much to argue about or to compel; hinata wins mostly by default. Sakura isn't a competent fighter, while her opponent is a specialist,a good one or not.
Sakuras last legitimate taijutsu feat was punching Ino
So... Sasori fight didn't happen? Solo'ing an army of Juubi clones without Naruto's chakra didn't happen? Wrecking Zetsu while sitting in a chair with her back turned didn't happen? Hitting KAGUYA didn't happen? Databook alone lists Sakura as faster, with her actual feats, she stomps. Sakura is not supposed to be a fighter, yes, but she still has displayed more combat ability and speed than Hinata. Hinata has almost no feats, PERIOD. I just don't understand your logic, like at all.
So... Sasori fight didn't happen? Solo'ing an army of Juubi clones without Naruto's chakra didn't happen? Wrecking Zetsu while sitting in a chair with her back turned didn't happen? Hitting KAGUYA didn't happen? Databook alone lists Sakura as faster, with her actual feats, she stomps. Sakura is not supposed to be a fighter, yes, but she still has displayed more combat ability and speed than Hinata. Hinata has almost no feats, PERIOD. I just don't understand your logic, like at all.
none of those are taijutsu feats except the kaguya feat, but even that one had no substance, literally.
Hinata has the same amount of actual feats as sakura, w/ a fraction of the panel time.
you don't understand me because your definitions are clouded & inconsistent while your view is based on either emotion, popular opinion or plot relevance.
What happens in plot are how these threads work. What Sakura has shown puts her leagues ahead of what Hinata has shown. Hinata's most impressive feat in the ENTIRE series, not counting Naruto's chakra, is learning 64 palms... unless there's something I'm missing.
Just what limited feats of Hinata put her at Kage level above Sakura? Please enlighten us.
EDIT: And what I mean is, you need canon evidence to support how your character wins over another. For example, Muu wasn't shown nearly as much as Sakura, but it's common sense he stomps Sakura in 1v1 based on what we ACTUALLY seen of him. You cannot say the same about Hinata. "Sakura is not a capable fighter" makes no sense as Sakura has shown that she can be if she has to. She's a medic first, fighter second. However, with what she's shown she's a far, far better fighter than Hinata, who has almost no feats that show her fighting abilities, at all. Just because she is a Hyuga does not make her an automatic kickass fighter with high speed and reaction feats.
Skill sets of Hinata are greater than Sakura's...
Yet Sakura's panel time gve her the upper hand.
We know not much of Hinata's full potential...
Her scene in action is always cut short...
What happens in plot are how these threads work. What Sakura has shown puts her leagues ahead of what Hinata has shown. Hinata's most impressive feat in the ENTIRE series, not counting Naruto's chakra, is learning 64 palms... unless there's something I'm missing.
Just what limited feats of Hinata put her at Kage level above Sakura? Please enlighten us.
No, it's Hinata I am not impressed with. Having Gentle Fist does not mean you're automatically good at applying it. Hinata has no feats to back her supposed taijutsu skill. Sakura does.
Please state Hinata's feats.
As for Kage level, simple. Sakura can hang with Kage level Shinobi like Mei, Tsunade, and Ay without his V2. Hinata cannot.
As for above, simple, what puts her above Sakura in terms of fighting abilities. Half baked answers like Gentle Fist or Sakura is not a capable fighter won't cut it. Hinata has no feats to back the former notion, while Sakura has the feats to disprove the second.
No, it's Hinata I am not impressed with. Having Gentle Fist does not mean you're automatically good at applying it. Hinata has no feats to back her supposed taijutsu skill. Sakura does.
well its subjective then...
I think both of them get 1-shot by all of those U listed.
]As for above, simple, what puts her above Sakura in terms of fighting abilities. Half baked answers like Gentle Fist or Sakura is not a capable fighter won't cut it. Hinata has no feats to back the former notion, while Sakura has the feats to disprove the second.
hinata is above sakura in terms of:
coordination/lateral quickness
hand to eye coordination/striking speed
reflexes & reactions
tangible ninjutsu supplements(jyuuken)
she naturally counters sakura
no, neither of them have anything to back them up, which is why both are commonly referred to as a main chara-fodder & side chara-fodder respectively.
what is a feat? beating a juubi clone? or displaying skill? my definition is the latter
well its subjective then...
I think both of them get 1-shot by all of those U listed.
hinata is above sakura in terms of:
coordination/lateral quickness
hand to eye coordination/striking speed
reflexes & reactions
tangible ninjutsu supplements(jyuuken)
she naturally counters sakura
Sakura hasn't many feats, but the ones she does posses put her well over Hinata. This should be obvious to anyone thoroughly reading the manga.
Pre Yin Sakura (as she was against Sasori) is a much better match-up. Yin Sakura w/ Katsuyu is on an entirely different playing field from pretty much all of the rookie 9 bar Naruto & Sasuke.
hinata is above sakura in terms of:
coordination/lateral quickness
hand to eye coordination/striking speed
reflexes & reactions
tangible ninjutsu supplements(jyuuken)
she naturally counters sakura
The only thing Hinata is better is taijutsu, she has better technique in that area.
???? I don't know what make you assume that, i could agree only at striking speed which is part of her taijutsu.
False, reflexes and reactions are one of the skills the databooks are evaluating, at the beginning of the databook there is an introduction with a definition for each skill, speed includes reaction timing and movement speed. And Sakura happens to have a greater level in this area than the Hyuuga.
What makes that an advantaje? Sakura only needs to hit her once?
No, juuken dissrupts every chakra flow, not just Sakura's, the thing is Sakura can counter jukken with Byakugou if she ever gets hit by a slower and just not that tactical oponent, which is highly unlikely.
Hinata is at best high-Chunin level. That's being generous. Sakura is Kage level. Sakura > Tsunade at the Sannin deadlock at the very least. It's like Iruka trying to take on the Sandaime, it's just not happening, it never will, and it's not even debatable. :vincent:
What?! The kyuubi didn't posses Naruto, the Kyuubi's mind didn't affect Naruto that time, and yes, I have proof of it:
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That was Naruto, not the Kyuubi, Naruto only release a very small part of the Kyuubi's chakra:
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And that is what happening once the the chakra stored inside a seal is released while the "sealing" effect of Jukken is on the user.
For the record, I think you suggested it, but there is no way Gentle Fist will dissrupt the chakra of the seal when Sakura's Byakugou it's not active.
The Kyuubi's power is sealed too, and after Naruto received 64 palms it didn't get disrupted by it.
So the chakra inside seals are safe from Juuken, and all their effects.
Sakura will be able to release Byakugou chakra anytime she wants...
Think whatever you want...
Hinata doesn't have the skill to actually hit Sakura. She is slower, it's not a analytic type Kunoichi like Sakura, and lack of a one-hit-KO technique...With summons it's an overkill...
She crapped on a Kawarimi no jutsu, a substitution piece of wood...
You change of mind every fortnight...
You agreed Byakugou can undo the effect of Juuken, and then tried to state that once she released the seal itwould become vulnerable to it, like Kidoumaru did, and that is correct as long as Sakura doesn't close the seal before she gets hit. Instead of activating Byakugou permanently, It would be safer to use Creation Rebirth which consists in healing every wound in the users body and save the rest for later by closing the seal's flow of chakra.
You also said that Sakura would win until we know what Twin Lion Fist does and when It's canonically confirmed she has Rotation.
But, whatever... most of the people said Sakura wins, so...
Byakugou is chakra stored in a seal in Sakura's forehead, and the Kyuubi is sealed in Naruto's stomach.
Both chakra reserves are safe from Gentle Fist as long as the chakra stays inside the sael and not in ones chakra flow. The only difference is that Sakura can release chakra from the seal at will, Naruto has to ask the Fox to release some chakra for him. No big deal...
