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I was thinking about one final power-up for Hinata that i do believe isn't a asspull and is actually quite likely.
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remember twin lion steps? while I can imagine that style focused into a sudden outburst of power.
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a combination of Air palm and the steps. With the kyuubi cloak Hinata will amplify her power and cuase a massive burst of chakra intoa massive dragonhead covering her body, and launched foreward.
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the resutl of the blow with be a massive shockwave, with tiny chakra slivers targeting the chakra network, like the 8 trigrams 64 palms.
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what do you think plausible or not?
 

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But she need kyuubi cloak to do that......
 

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@necro
I never thought of that. but it would be a little different.
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i guess your right :(
 

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Interesting. I don't like the idea of slivers of chakra, but it would make sense, I guess.
 

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makes sense. i suppose it would make a better delivarence as merely an explosion of chakra power instead of tiny slivers like the Gentle step.
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Good point
 

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I was thinking about one final power-up for Hinata that i do believe isn't a asspull and is actually quite likely.
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remember twin lion steps? while I can imagine that style focused into a sudden outburst of power.
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a combination of Air palm and the steps. With the kyuubi cloak Hinata will amplify her power and cuase a massive burst of chakra intoa massive dragonhead covering her body, and launched foreward.
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the resutl of the blow with be a massive shockwave, with tiny chakra slivers targeting the chakra network, like the 8 trigrams 64 palms.
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what do you think plausible or not?

To understand the Byakugan and the Hyuuga, one must first seek to understand Taoism.

The Gentle Step is based off of the Taoist martial art of Xingyiquan: . To quote the wiki of the relevant part that gives it away as the Gentle Step:

"Xingyiquan features aggressive shocking attacks and direct footwork. The linear nature of xingyiquan hints at both the military origins and the influence of spear technique alluded to in its mythology. Despite its hard, angular appearance, cultivating "soft" internal strength or qi is essential to achieving power in Xingyiquan.

The goal of the xingyiquan exponent is to reach the opponent quickly and drive powerfully through them in a single burst — the analogy with spear fighting is useful here. This is achieved by coordinating one's body as a single unit and the intense focusing of one's qi."

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"Xingyiquan is based on twelve distinct animal forms (形; pinyin: xíng). Present in all regional and family styles, these emulate the techniques and tactics of the corresponding animal rather than just their physical movements. Many schools of xingyiquan have only small number of movements for each animal, though some teach extended sequences of movements. Once the individual animal forms are taught, a student is often taught an animal linking form (shi'er xing lianhuan) which connects all the taught animals together in a sequence. Some styles have longer, or multiple forms for individual animals, such Eight Tiger Forms Huxing bashi."


The Gentle Step: Twin Lion Fist is, most likely, a slight allusion to a form of Xingyiquan using a Drilling Tiger form ("Water Tiger" - quite appropriate). This would be reinforced by the indication that Hinata was moving incredibly fast during her attack on Pain (in the Manga... the Anime seemed to dilute that aspect of the technique).

The Gentle Fist is oriented around Baguazhang:

While the Chakra Coils system they exploit is based around the principles of T'ai chi ch'uan:

All of which fall under Neijia:

The pinnacle of Taoist ability is called Wei Wu Wei - Action through inaction, or action without effort:

Basically summarized as: "When you do things right, no one will know you've done anything, at all."

Or, taken to Naruto-Ball-Z proportions as we've been seeing... and it means the Hyuuga could, theoretically, make Infinite Tsukuyomi look quaint and impotent. Simply become nature to the point where what needs to happen occurs naturally... and no one suspects a thing.

Or, in other words: Taoist Sage>>>>>>>. . .>>>>>>>Shinto deities.
 

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She isn't getting a powerup, it isn't needed because she isn't going to have any showdowns with any of the main antagonists anyway, nothing that a powerup would help her out with if she had to either.
 

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@joshustu and alpha
she got a power-up in the pain invasion, so it is possible for her to get another power-up here.
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i say she will need to help save naruto again. even though has saved naruto 3 times just in the juubi revival arc (1. assiting ino in redircting the juubi attack, 2. blocking arrows from hitting naruto. 3. helping tnj naruto. but then again she could be useful in the fight.
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idk it is just a thought lol
 

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@joshustu and alpha
she got a power-up in the pain invasion, so it is possible for her to get another power-up here.
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i say she will need to help save naruto again. even though has saved naruto 3 times just in the juubi revival arc (1. assiting ino in redircting the juubi attack, 2. blocking arrows from hitting naruto. 3. helping tnj naruto. but then again she could be useful in the fight.
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idk it is just a thought lol

That powwerup in the pain invasion arc didn't even help her out but ok. Even more a reason she isn't getting one and if she is them i'm of the opinion you believe Sakura to be getting one or has one being relevant to the team 7 plot and all.

Tnj Naruto isn't exactly saving him she more helped him remember what his motive was (his friends), but you already stating those things she already helped naruto out with even more pushes the fact i think shes done quite enough. The kyubi cloak will assist her in any battle you can think of boosting her already possessed ability.
 

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That powwerup in the pain invasion arc didn't even help her out but ok. Even more a reason she isn't getting one and if she is them i'm of the opinion you believe Sakura to be getting one or has one being relevant to the team 7 plot and all.

I wouldn't call her actions in the Pain invasion a 'powerup.' The Gentle Step is a different art developed from ancient chinese spear fighting. The significance of that panel was largely missed. Hinata's attack was stupidly fast, and it was more a note on Nagato's reaction time than Hinata 'not having improved' or 'not being powerful.'

That said - I don't really see what this has to do with Sakura. She's been a side character since the beginning. Her solitary role was to be the impetus for Naruto and Sasuke's rivalry. She may have the title of a main character - but she's not written as a main character. Hinata is the only female main character in the series.

Before you start babbling a retort, ask yourself this: Who has backstory?

Naruto.
Sasuke.
Hinata.
Neji.
Kakashi.
Tsunade.
Orochimaru.
Jiraiya.
Itachi.
Obito.
Madara.
Hokages 1-4.
Kushina.
Gaara.
Kankuro. ****ing Kankuro has backstory.

We know more about Hanabi's backstory than we know about Sakura. The girl who appears in like three panels (if that) has more backstory than this "main character" that just so happens to be on the same team as the Headline character.

Sorry. Sakura isn't a main character. Never was.

Hinata, on the other hand, was designed as Naruto's complement. Which is why so much effort was taken to introduce her during the Chunin exams and why Kishimoto went through the effort of entwining Naruto with the Hyuuga (remember all that talk about choosing your destiny).

There is a pattern, there. A pattern that was hinted at in the beginning, and has become all too clear as time has gone on. Hinata and Naruto are written as yin and yang within the Taoist principles that govern the Hyuuga. That the main character's behavior deffers to Taoism - the model for the Hyuuga... should be telling. The Hyuuga were always intended to be the main show. Hinata was always the female main character.

Tnj Naruto isn't exactly saving him she more helped him remember what his motive was (his friends), but you already stating those things she already helped naruto out with even more pushes the fact i think shes done quite enough. The kyubi cloak will assist her in any battle you can think of boosting her already possessed ability.

You realize that the Village Hidden in the Leaves and the Will of Fire are modeled after the concept of Yin and Yang, as well, right? The Taoist principle embedded within the Hyuuga?

You also realize that Yin and Yang is not about "balance" - it's about flow and exchange. Because of this, no single thing exists in a state of static balance. That's what the Eight Trigrams are about - three equal parts composed of yin or yang make up each 'element' or 'state.' No single element is 'balanced' and is always shifting and transitioning to another.

There's much more to the design of the Hyuuga and Uzumaki than meets the eye. There's a story, there, that we've deliberately not been told - and it should probably start to crop up about the time that the war arc concludes.

There is a reason it was Neji who died.
 

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I wouldn't call her actions in the Pain invasion a 'powerup.' The Gentle Step is a different art developed from ancient chinese spear fighting. The significance of that panel was largely missed. Hinata's attack was stupidly fast, and it was more a note on Nagato's reaction time than Hinata 'not having improved' or 'not being powerful.'

That said - I don't really see what this has to do with Sakura. She's been a side character since the beginning. Her solitary role was to be the impetus for Naruto and Sasuke's rivalry. She may have the title of a main character - but she's not written as a main character. Hinata is the only female main character in the series.

Before you start babbling a retort, ask yourself this: Who has backstory?

Naruto.
Sasuke.
Hinata.
Neji.
Kakashi.
Tsunade.
Orochimaru.
Jiraiya.
Itachi.
Obito.
Madara.
Hokages 1-4.
Kushina.
Gaara.
Kankuro. ****ing Kankuro has backstory.

We know more about Hanabi's backstory than we know about Sakura. The girl who appears in like three panels (if that) has more backstory than this "main character" that just so happens to be on the same team as the Headline character.

Sorry. Sakura isn't a main character. Never was.

Hinata, on the other hand, was designed as Naruto's complement. Which is why so much effort was taken to introduce her during the Chunin exams and why Kishimoto went through the effort of entwining Naruto with the Hyuuga (remember all that talk about choosing your destiny).

There is a pattern, there. A pattern that was hinted at in the beginning, and has become all too clear as time has gone on. Hinata and Naruto are written as yin and yang within the Taoist principles that govern the Hyuuga. That the main character's behavior deffers to Taoism - the model for the Hyuuga... should be telling. The Hyuuga were always intended to be the main show. Hinata was always the female main character.



You realize that the Village Hidden in the Leaves and the Will of Fire are modeled after the concept of Yin and Yang, as well, right? The Taoist principle embedded within the Hyuuga?

You also realize that Yin and Yang is not about "balance" - it's about flow and exchange. Because of this, no single thing exists in a state of static balance. That's what the Eight Trigrams are about - three equal parts composed of yin or yang make up each 'element' or 'state.' No single element is 'balanced' and is always shifting and transitioning to another.

There's much more to the design of the Hyuuga and Uzumaki than meets the eye. There's a story, there, that we've deliberately not been told - and it should probably start to crop up about the time that the war arc concludes.

There is a reason it was Neji who died.

Didn't read tho. Stopped at you implying Hinata is a main female character. She is less relevant than Sakura, holding hands with Naruto isn't changing that. Sakura's relevance is obviously going to lie between her connection to team 7 and Tsunade.

What is Hinata exactly relevant with atm other than doing what all the supporting characters are doing right now being the entire k11 ? Ok. She doesn't need a powerup anymore than the other k11 do and that's that. I brought Sakura into it because people are on abotu Hinatas power up as if shes that important :x yet they cant believe Sakura could who has so much more ties to the main story O_O.

Sakura has a backstory as well, not everyone has a extremely horrible past. That is the reality of things. Tsunade is a grown woman as well if Sakura made it to her age i bet she would have a decent backstory as well esp all she went through.

Yes, there is a reason neji died, because of somethign he was told along time ago which is being in control of his own destiny and he chose to die then for Narutos sake, nothing deep about that. He wanted to be in control of his destiny.

Will never be more relevant than the neo sannin Naruto and Sasuke AND Sakura. We will see to that.

She will ge ta husband, if shes not rejected :p
 
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Didn't read tho.

Then why, pray tell, are you bothering to write?

You're the reason people have to be told to clear and safe their weapon before cleaning it, aren't you.

Stopped at you implying Hinata is a main female character. She is less relevant than Sakura, holding hands with Naruto isn't changing that. Sakura's relevance is obviously going to lie between her connection to team 7 and Tsunade.

Sakura, at best, is going to make herself useful and heal someone who can fight.

At worst, she's going to end up accidentally poisoning Naruto, or something.

There's no significance to her character. She has not surpassed Tsunade, and the best thing for her character would be for her to realize that she has been left in the dust and her role is to survive and learn to do better in the future.

What is Hinata exactly relevant with atm other than doing what all the supporting characters are doing right now being the entire k11 ? Ok. She doesn't need a powerup anymore than the other k11 do and that's that. I brought Sakura into it because people are on abotu Hinatas power up as if shes that important :x yet they cant believe Sakura could who has so much more ties to the main story O_O.

You'll find this quite enlightening:

Assuming you choose to read it.

Hinata has always been the main role, as have the Hyuuga. That part will likely be hinted at as the war progresses, and will likely comprise the final story arc for the series.

Why, you ask?

The series has been based around religious pinnings. The Rinnegan represents Budhism. The Sharingan represents Shintoism. The Byakugan represents Taoism. The occular powers are represented by religions/ideals/beliefs.

Shintoism derived much of its philosophy from Taoism (though its most primitive form was ancestral worship combined with minor and greater deities). Budhism is not entirely incompatible with Taoism - and the two were often intermingled within Chinese culture.

Which should be revealing. The Rinnegan is not a blood-line trait. It is a 'gift of enlightenment' - the realization of the 'inner god' (so to speak).

I suspect that will be revealed before much longer.

The Uzumaki and the Hyuuga predate the Senju and the Uchiha. The Uzumaki and Hyuuga, as expressions of Yin and Yang, have a common history. The Sage and his wife were Hyuuga and Uzumaki. Naruto, taking up the role as the next Sage, was destined to have a Hyuuga counterpart - also known as Hinata.

Why was it Hinata who fought Neji? Why develop that family so strongly while virtually ignoring the impressive Aburame and Yamanaka? Why not even give Sakura parents or a front door, but give the girl who had all of four panels (as part of the background) before the Chunin exams?

Why was it Hinata who stepped in front of Pain?

Why was it Hinata who was there when Naruto began to falter?

Sakura fans like to say that it's because Kishimoto likes trolling the 'shippers.' But when you actually look at the story and what it ties into... it's pretty clear that Hinata was planned as Naruto's counterpart (not necessarily romantically - mind you) from the beginning (though it will likely end up going that way).

Sakura is just there. For whatever reason. And it shows.

Sakura has a backstory as well, not everyone has a extremely horrible past. That is the reality of things. Tsunade is a grown woman as well if Sakura made it to her age i bet she would have a decent backstory as well esp all she went through.

What backstory does she have?

There's none. Zip. Zero.

There's no happy backstory. There's no sad backstory. She has no family life. There are no elaborations upon her training with Tsunade. She is a literal ghost in the plot. She's the main character but we know as much about her as tenten.

Ayame - "the ramen girl" has more story and 'flesh' to the bones of her character.

Yes, there is a reason neji died, because of somethign he was told along time ago which is being in control of his own destiny and he chose to die then for Narutos sake, nothing deep about that. He wanted to be in control of his destiny.

*sigh*

Think like an author. Why kill Neji?

A convenient excuse to bring up destiny, perhaps?

The role Neji played, with regards to Naruto, was relatively arbitrary. Just about any one of his friends could have died, there, and Kishimoto could have drawn the same effect. Hell, a partially dismembered Tsunade could have incredibly crawled over and died at his feet, and it would have been the same (or the realization that HQ just got nuked and the parents of his friends died).

Numerous points in the plot could have come about. We've already seen how averse Kishimoto is to killing characters off and how critical his selection of character-killing is. Neji was selected for a specific reason with broad-sweeping implications.

There is a specific reason behind Neji's death - it's a glimpse into the next story arc (though I'm only partially able to interpret it).

Will never be more relevant than the neo sannin Naruto and Sasuke AND Sakura. We will see to that.

To be more accurate - it is Naruto and Hinata that will become more relevant than team 7. Though I would not rank Sakura as a Sanin - or anything close. Naruto is the most deserving of the title, with Sasuke a rather distant second. Sakura sits below Kakashi in line for Sanin titles.

The whole Sanin parallel was a minor distraction rendered irrelevant under more pertinent plot developments.

She will ge ta husband, if shes not rejected :p

Who... Hinata?

Or Sakura?

Both are quite capable of finding a suitable husband.

My point is that Sakura is largely irrelevant to the developing plot. There will be a scene involving Team Seven's reunion, Sakura promising to be useful, and then we will just see her watching everyone else be useful to the main plot.

She's simply there. That's all her character is. Kishimoto really, really tried to flesh her character out in the first story arc... but all of his scheming was exhausted in that first arc. Her character lost all plot significance afterward - because she was never really meant to be a main character to begin with. The first arc of Part II was tweaked and designed for her character (likely at the prodding of toy and clothing marketers who were looking at the rather abysmal sales of Sakura-oriented merchandise).

It really isn't a mark against Sakura... Kishimoto is just not that great of an author. He just had a cool idea, knew the right people, and had the balls to push to publish his idea.
 

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Then why, pray tell, are you bothering to write?

You're the reason people have to be told to clear and safe their weapon before cleaning it, aren't you.



Sakura, at best, is going to make herself useful and heal someone who can fight.

At worst, she's going to end up accidentally poisoning Naruto, or something.

There's no significance to her character. She has not surpassed Tsunade, and the best thing for her character would be for her to realize that she has been left in the dust and her role is to survive and learn to do better in the future.



You'll find this quite enlightening:

Assuming you choose to read it.

Hinata has always been the main role, as have the Hyuuga. That part will likely be hinted at as the war progresses, and will likely comprise the final story arc for the series.

Why, you ask?

The series has been based around religious pinnings. The Rinnegan represents Budhism. The Sharingan represents Shintoism. The Byakugan represents Taoism. The occular powers are represented by religions/ideals/beliefs.

Shintoism derived much of its philosophy from Taoism (though its most primitive form was ancestral worship combined with minor and greater deities). Budhism is not entirely incompatible with Taoism - and the two were often intermingled within Chinese culture.

Which should be revealing. The Rinnegan is not a blood-line trait. It is a 'gift of enlightenment' - the realization of the 'inner god' (so to speak).

I suspect that will be revealed before much longer.

The Uzumaki and the Hyuuga predate the Senju and the Uchiha. The Uzumaki and Hyuuga, as expressions of Yin and Yang, have a common history. The Sage and his wife were Hyuuga and Uzumaki. Naruto, taking up the role as the next Sage, was destined to have a Hyuuga counterpart - also known as Hinata.

Why was it Hinata who fought Neji? Why develop that family so strongly while virtually ignoring the impressive Aburame and Yamanaka? Why not even give Sakura parents or a front door, but give the girl who had all of four panels (as part of the background) before the Chunin exams?

Why was it Hinata who stepped in front of Pain?

Why was it Hinata who was there when Naruto began to falter?

Sakura fans like to say that it's because Kishimoto likes trolling the 'shippers.' But when you actually look at the story and what it ties into... it's pretty clear that Hinata was planned as Naruto's counterpart (not necessarily romantically - mind you) from the beginning (though it will likely end up going that way).

Sakura is just there. For whatever reason. And it shows.



What backstory does she have?

There's none. Zip. Zero.

There's no happy backstory. There's no sad backstory. She has no family life. There are no elaborations upon her training with Tsunade. She is a literal ghost in the plot. She's the main character but we know as much about her as tenten.

Ayame - "the ramen girl" has more story and 'flesh' to the bones of her character.



*sigh*

Think like an author. Why kill Neji?

A convenient excuse to bring up destiny, perhaps?

The role Neji played, with regards to Naruto, was relatively arbitrary. Just about any one of his friends could have died, there, and Kishimoto could have drawn the same effect. Hell, a partially dismembered Tsunade could have incredibly crawled over and died at his feet, and it would have been the same (or the realization that HQ just got nuked and the parents of his friends died).

Numerous points in the plot could have come about. We've already seen how averse Kishimoto is to killing characters off and how critical his selection of character-killing is. Neji was selected for a specific reason with broad-sweeping implications.

There is a specific reason behind Neji's death - it's a glimpse into the next story arc (though I'm only partially able to interpret it).



To be more accurate - it is Naruto and Hinata that will become more relevant than team 7. Though I would not rank Sakura as a Sanin - or anything close. Naruto is the most deserving of the title, with Sasuke a rather distant second. Sakura sits below Kakashi in line for Sanin titles.

The whole Sanin parallel was a minor distraction rendered irrelevant under more pertinent plot developments.



Who... Hinata?

Or Sakura?

Both are quite capable of finding a suitable husband.

My point is that Sakura is largely irrelevant to the developing plot. There will be a scene involving Team Seven's reunion, Sakura promising to be useful, and then we will just see her watching everyone else be useful to the main plot.

She's simply there. That's all her character is. Kishimoto really, really tried to flesh her character out in the first story arc... but all of his scheming was exhausted in that first arc. Her character lost all plot significance afterward - because she was never really meant to be a main character to begin with. The first arc of Part II was tweaked and designed for her character (likely at the prodding of toy and clothing marketers who were looking at the rather abysmal sales of Sakura-oriented merchandise).

It really isn't a mark against Sakura... Kishimoto is just not that great of an author. He just had a cool idea, knew the right people, and had the balls to push to publish his idea.

Sigh, Hinata is relevant to any form of development because of Naruto only. I'm not expecting a big power wise change in Sakura this arc and theres no way Hinata is getting an ass pull that will make her significantly stronger either. Strange how after the sasuke questions and they say hes coming to the war Sakura is shown again, team 7 reuniting?

Sakura's little clip to her past was just her being teased as a child. Hinata and Neji could've fought for the fact we knew how much about the byakugan back then? Plus as you can see after she lost it built up to nejis resolve with naruto and destiny? and now led to neji dying for him and saying he now knows the feeling of choosing to die for someone? choices in life? he basically mentally abused hinata through that entire fight about things along the lines of destiny. The it's too late for the hyuga and hinata specifically to show anything major that will beat sakura at feats and relevance to the story from the start to now.

Hinata fans praising her for the few things she does is just fans, Sakura is majorly hated for her personality and her feats are often 98% of the time ignored but they are there.

Naruto and hinata will become more relevant that the whole story plot? Pairing fodder at most. Not even team 7 on a whole but sasuke and naruto? Thats not very logical the story is at it's climax in these next few arcs it's time for some settling of business now time to develop hyuga.

We will see if she is sanin worthy or not after kakashis development is done, i believe it was stated she would get her time after this. Unless you have a reason for kishi being so secretive about Hinata. I didn't say they to be called neo sanins already but it was foreshadowed.

And i was talking about Hinata, she is a sweet girl and i like her and all but people need to stop trying to move her from where she has been and where she is most likely going to remain, she's functioning just fine where she is.
 
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