:Lol in a matchup centered around avoiding and catching Yamato off guard? They actually are.
Obviously, fighting a Bukijutsu user in an open field is way more troublesome than having the same fight in an area filled with trees.
That is where Yamato's
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comes into play. It's a smaller version of what Hashirama can do, but it's more than enough to create a dense wall of giant trees completely destroying Hidan's dream of having a straight-forward CQC battle. To be honest, Yamato doesn't even have to make the forest as thick - halving the power would not only allow Yamato benefit from this tactics just as good, but also would save him a lot of precious chakra.
What exactly is that going to do? Yamato has no kind of sensing to my knowledge and his attacks are completely linear, he also can't utilize it like Hashirama can it simply makes a forest he can't use the tree's for Mokuton. This actually gives Hidan a massive advantage here, as Yamato being outclassed in reactions, speed and CQC along with Hidan being the more mobile fighter he will be setting himself up from an ambush at any time. A scythe whipped at high speeds from above, or his ritual stick, will almost certainly draw blood.
Now you may ask - what is the whole point of all this? The answer is simple. Yamato, despite being able to fight at all distances, is the most comfortable at mid one. Trees let him LoS Hidan, prepare Mokuton clones, Mokuton substitutes and many other things I will get back on later.
LoS? Line of sight? What how does that make sense setting up tree's Hidan can run up and hide in
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means Yamato will lose that line of sight while Hidan can constantly rush from cover to cover. While all of Yamato's long range linear attacks can be blocked or made increasingly slower if he has to count for curling around branches/tree's. Honestly why you'd use this strategy is beyond me. Only good thing that comes of it is substitution...but that only works so many times :lol
While I agree with the points about Hidan's stamina, I think you are underrating Yamato's chakra reserves and stamina way too much (even though you said you didn't). I will use the same exact scans you did, because it looks like you misinterpreted them. Of course Yamato doesn't have unlimited stamina, but just take a look at all the things Yamato did during Naruto's training:
A.
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followed by a big-ass
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B.
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C. Constant
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- all the time Naruto was training.
D. Expanding even further on the
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. I think I won't exaggerate if I say that it was the second biggest Doton ever used in manga, as well as the third biggest Suiton. And there's also another use of his Mokuton.
I Don't really care what his Stamina is, as its automatically less then Hidan's, hell a battle with Hidan could take days :lol and he'd never slow down. He didn't use the Suiton I'm pretty sure just expanding the doton expanded the suiton.
To think you would bring these exact scans as proof of Yamato's average stamina/reserves... Just
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Obviously, such extensive usage of his large-scale jutsu must be chakra-taxing, but even after doing all this Yamato was only heavily breathing. The training session wasn't stopped and Yamato continued supressing Kyuubi's chakra for another hours.
Doesn't he only suppress it once it comes out, he merely has his hand up to be ready. As the Kyuubi chakra emerged
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and then he suppressed it
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so him holding his hand up didn't do anything I don't believe. Again i'm not saying its average, i'm just saying its <<<<< Hidan's.
While I may agree that Yamato's Mokuton (well, Mokuton in general) isn't the source of the fastest attacks in NV, your reasoning on why Hidan is relatively safe is way off. Sure, Kakuzu dodged Yamato's Great Forest technique, but just look at the f
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It's more than obvious that it's way harder to manoeuvre Mokuton that comes out straight out of your hand at 30+ meters than in CQC or at medium distance. Of course I'm not saying that this sole jutsu ends this fight, but saying that Hidan is completely safe is a little too much.
Kakuzu jumped back multiple times to make it that range
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This was the initial distance
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although it varies from top scan to bottom .-. As Yamato was right next to Chouji and Ino (Dat Kishi) But still Kakuzu was ready and able to take Naruto's heart by the time it got there
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I'll admit sending one at a time makes it faster, but if he sends one Hidan can literally just place his body in front of it so it hits him instead of capturing him as he tanks it with ease :lol He needs more than one to catch Hidan.
Also, where did you get that 'Yamato got punked by P2 Sasuke' from? Have you even read that chapter?
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, but instead is about to get blitzed by him. She isn't even aware of what is going on, when
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and moves right between him and Sakura. The only reason Sasuke managed to stab Yamato was because the latter couldn't know Sasuke wielded Kusanagi replica that could easily cut through a kunai.
No his wood was literally stalemated with ease at close range, while Sasuke threw Naruto and activated Chidori Nagashi
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Also no Yamato didn't intercept Sasuke I think its you who needs to read the chapter, he starts moving before Sasuke
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and he still couldn't even see it had Raiton on the blade, it being a "Kusunagi Replica" Had nothing to do with it, Sai managed to defend correctly by grabbing Sasuke at a much closer range
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Also, how can you even use that fight as any sort of arguments?
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, he even said it himself.
If that's him holding back than....He must always be holding back even more :lol because that is literally the best he's ever done in a fight which is quite pathetic.
I have to give Hidan one this though. He indeed is agile. But this is where the field advantage and Yamato's utility techniques come into play. Changing the battlefield into a small forest will force Hidan to start thinking about defense too. You know, in a normal situation it's pretty much straight-forward. But with nature on Yamato's side, Hidan could get blindsided by Mokuton spikes growing from the Mokuton trees anytime.
Can you show me proof that he can spawn random spikes from tree's? Because I don't recall him ever doing that, besides what's a spike going to do? It won't even hold him he easily slips off and continues his assault. Also lets not forget Yamato has no sensing....so how is he going to know where to spawn these spikes? Oh yeah he won't. Being agile is even greater an asset when in a forest as he can find cover easier and conceal his movements. His defense is his body so he never really has to think about it.
Also, I think you're underestimating Yamato's Taijutsu and CQC skills a bit. Yamato is known for his extensive use of Mokuton Kawarimi (for example in his fight with Sai+Naruto or Orochimaru), which lets him render useless almost any attack. For example, during his training session with Naruto and Sai, he was easily fending their jutsu off simultaneously. Yamato easily
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Then, a simple Mokuton
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You know, the more you link me the more I realize just how sad Yamato's feats really are. So your choice of feats include
-Blocking an early part 2 (Weaker than Immortals arc) Naruto who is no where near fast and his clone
-Falling for a intentional clone feint (albeit he did substitute out of it) but catching something meant to be caught isn't all that impressive and not even close puts him on the level of Hidan who was casually dealing with Asuma and was pushing back Kakashi who is <<<< Base Naruto and even faster than Pre-Hebi Sasuke who again blitzed Him with ease (Him not going hard has nothing to do with defending himself :lol). Pretty sure Kakashi did something similar except he actually succeeded against a faster Sasuke
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and despite the fact that Sasuke was much closer than he was in Yamato's scenario. I mean if you want to use the excuse "Kakashi got sooo much faster omg" despite the only thing he did since the immortals arc is die....well then go for it :lol Hidan's feats still outclass Yamato's by a large margin and speed is everything when you're striking an opponent from a concealed place such as the cover of a tree or above them.
Also, to address your argument about Hidan using Yamato's Mokuton against himself, here's an example of the perfect counter. Firstly, Yamato is just as potent in using Mokuton directly from his body as from the earth or his other Mokuton constructions. Secondly, he is familliar with the tactics of enemies
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. But what happens later?
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? Well, not exactly -
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The fact that he couldn't dodge and had to substitute...against base Naruto isn't a good feat at all. If you think he is going to constantly substitute against ambush attacks then you're entirely mistaken. Using it on Oro's snakes? Decent but they took their sweet time slithering up and slicing his neck, so he had time to assess and react. Differene here with Hidan is he won't be able to especially not if he tries engaging in CQC. Also, Yamato's potency in making the best use of Kawarimi is really impressive. He easily predicted the good moment of using it against
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so he didn't even get scratched by his poisonous snakes and
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He didn't fair so well against a quicker snake
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again using the Mokuton to his advantage :lol (he slithered around it) and he couldn't even release it in time. In face Hidan can use the same method with his scythe throw it while Yamato's using Mokuton, it was quick enough to go from at Hidan's side to behind Asuma and closing in on him before Hidan's stick ever hits the ground from being thrown
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if at a close enough distance (which in this forest makes it likely) it will easily strike him as he can't use substitution while using Mokuton nor can he even move.
There's one more thing I want to address in my opener. I don't know why you assumed Yamato would have to resort to Mokuton Dome to reflect Hidan's thrown weapons. There's no need to do that, especially when Yamato could easily deflect them with a simple branch growing out of his body or from the ground. Also, you're underrating Yamato's defensive jutsu's resilience and hardiness. There is literally no way he could pierce something that withstood KN4 transformation explosion. The explosion I'm talking about
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, while Yamato's Dome
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whatsoever.
Don't compare the two forces something thrown with good strength can pierce it maybe not fully but it only needs to strike him barely to obtain blood, not to mention Hidan can merely throw the scythe around it, as he'd be blinded and again refer above to see how fast he got it behind Asuma. If for some reason that fails, Hidan will be gone within the tree's and losing sight of Hidan is almost sure death. Lets not also forget every human near Naruto was safe and Sai even avoided it :lol once again downplaying Yamato's speed and reactions.
Also one more slight point, in the forest Hidan can easily conceal his ritual seal so Yamato won't be able to inhibit him from doing the ritual.
That would be it for my opening post. Just like you I wanted to focus on the basic stuff and general information first.
Only basic information you posted was a bit about stamina...but very well.
Also, knowing that Yamato is not someone who would rush at their opponent without testing their abilities, I didn't focus on offense yet. I think my post clearly shows you underrate Yamato way too much, in many departments - including for example speed or stamina.
Lmfaooo if anything it shows the opposite his feats are pathetic, mongrel worthy at best, the fact that Hidan's far outclasses him despite being rushed and in it for much less is just sad. You never even countered anything I posted btw so your post didn't "Make me realize Yamato is a god" You merely posted poor feats and relied on a genin level jutsu in substitution....if thats the only defense you've got well then....buddy you're screwed.
But I'm waiting for you to adjust your strategy to the new battlefield we're having. We both know Hidan has to maintain his pressure to stand a chance, but in my next post I shall also focus on the offense.
Not at all, Yamato is a stationary fighter, he didn't even try to get close to Kakuzu
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he sat there and fired off Mokuton, Hidan can easily take advantage of this and after avoiding the slow Mokuton disappear into the forest his opponent has set up for him. He's by no means an assassin, but his main desire is to kill and when it comes to killing efficiency he's no slouch. With Yamato losing sight of him a scythe or stick or even him blitzing out of no where will almost certainly catch him off guard. Substitution will only work once at the most, even then its questionable with the speed Hidan deals his attacks.
Honestly this forest makes it easy, without a way to contain Hidan in one area like Shikamaru had Hidan will use this to his advantage and come at Yamato from all angles with great speed (His ability to rush the opponent is great and was effective on shinobi much faster than Yamato)/ Whereas Yamato has shown to be pawned by rushes on two occasions (Sasuke, and Kabuto). Whether its his massive scythe being flung at him with speeds great enough to Catch once again an opponent quicker than him
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and lets not forget Asuma could see it coming, whereas Yamato would not be able to within this forest you've set up. Or his ritual stick, or even himself rushing Yamato like a maniac it will most certainly cost Yamato at the least blood which inevitably ends this match.
Oh yeah don't forget Hidan dodged a Heavy Duty Bijuu attack with next to no difficulty as well
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In Hidan's words:
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YOU'VE MADE THIS ONE EASY FOR ME BOYYYYY!!!!
