[VS] Hidan VS Kisam[cqc battle]

[KidGamer65]

He couldn't entirely evade though, he was literally stuck engaging Hidan until Atsugai was blasted lol so he was being pressured. Tired Kakashi also was evading/keeping up with a flying Deidara beforehand so I don't think his speed/abilities drop so dramatically from a bit of chakra exhaustion as people like to say (afterwards he still was able to blitz Deva in time that he needed to use Asura).

I'd say Kisame can defend against Hidan pretty well, but blood shed is inevitable.

Then I'll agree. Only more reason why I'd argue Hidan wins this match.

 

[Zexion~]

Then I'll agree. Only more reason why I'd argue Hidan wins this match.

If the ritual is here yeah, if its literally JUST CQC but Kisame can heal then Kisame of course takes this.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

His main offense is destroying the center of his chakra system, hope you're not implying he can be incapacitated through chakra absorption.


I mean, if ritual is allowed Hidan should win this lol all he has to do is draw the sigil at any point and Kisame can't do anything "knocking" Hidan out of the circle would knock Kisame back as well and a bloodlusted Hidan takes less than a second to end his opponent.

@KG how was Kakashi tired when he FIRST clashed with Hidan exactly??

Destroying the center of his chakra system, what? I literally said it's not a huge factor in this fight. It may or may not incapacitate Hidan, but at the very least it feeds Kisame with chakra and allows him to fight at his full capacity for a longer duration.

Ritual or not, Kisame med diffs. Lol @ that ever even getting set off.

 

[BLAZE]

Won't samehada overpower the scythe though

 

[Emanthespriggan1234]

Kisame bullies him.

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he'd throw Hidan around like a doll

 

[Booker]

Kisame shreds him.

Hidan has zero CQC feats that put him on par with Kisame.

 

[Zexion~]

Destroying the center of his chakra system, what? I literally said it's not a huge factor in this fight. It may or may not incapacitate Hidan, but at the very least it feeds Kisame with chakra and allows him to fight at his full capacity for a longer duration.

Ritual or not, Kisame med diffs. Lol @ that ever even getting set off.

It won't incapacitate Hidan lol, and yeah it can feed Kisame its not like Hidan is a chakraless spirit.

How will it not get set off? You're stating Kisame will need to heal, he has no way to remove the sigil (tired of people acting like dried blood is incredibly easy to remove) and he's slower than both Asuma and Kakashi who couldn't deal with Hidan. I don't see what stops Hidan from plunging his weapon straight into his heart at anytime.

 

[Booker]

It won't incapacitate Hidan lol, and yeah it can feed Kisame its not like Hidan is a chakraless spirit.

How will it not get set off? You're stating Kisame will need to heal, he has no way to remove the sigil (tired of people acting like dried blood is incredibly easy to remove) and he's slower than both Asuma and Kakashi who couldn't deal with Hidan. I don't see what stops Hidan from plunging his weapon straight into his heart at anytime.

@Bold

Don't make me laugh.

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Hidan has no reflex or reaction speed feats, to my knowledge, that even get close to that first scan.

Then in the second we see Kisame stalemate Bee in Kenjutsu, something that even MS Sasuke was incapable of due to Bee's speed and unorthodox technique. This obviously puts Kisame above Hidan's speed feats.

Then there is the fact that 30% Kisame applied pressure to the best Taijutsu user in the manga, despite Gai opening several gates which massivel increase speed.

Hidan has no speed feats in CQC that suggest he's going to stalemate Kisame, much less gain any advantage.

 

[shelke]

@Bold

Don't make me laugh.

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Hidan has no reflex or reaction speed feats, to my knowledge, that even get close to that first scan.

Then in the second we see Kisame stalemate Bee in Kenjutsu, something that even MS Sasuke was incapable of due to Bee's speed and unorthodox technique. This obviously puts Kisame above Hidan's speed feats.

Then there is the fact that 30% Kisame applied pressure to the best Taijutsu user in the manga, despite Gai opening several gates which massivel increase speed.

Hidan has no speed feats in CQC that suggest he's going to stalemate Kisame, much less gain any advantage.

Read a few more panels as he couldn't even deflect the Raiton charged knife despite it having lost all of its juice:

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Samehada was also moving on its own to deflect and guard against Bee's attacks:

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Asuma showed better reflexes against Kisame. It's just a fact.

 

[KidGamer65]

@Bold

Don't make me laugh.

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Hidan has no reflex or reaction speed feats, to my knowledge, that even get close to that first scan.

Then in the second we see Kisame stalemate Bee in Kenjutsu, something that even MS Sasuke was incapable of due to Bee's speed and unorthodox technique. This obviously puts Kisame above Hidan's speed feats.

Then there is the fact that 30% Kisame applied pressure to the best Taijutsu user in the manga, despite Gai opening several gates which massivel increase speed.

Hidan has no speed feats in CQC that suggest he's going to stalemate Kisame, much less gain any advantage.

Lmao. Kisame dodging a pencil from close range isn't some top tier reaction feat, nor did Kisame stalemate B in Kenjutsu. Where do you even see them engage in any kind of Kenjutsu bout? B lunged and Kisame blocked him. B used his Seven Swords Dance against 3-Tomoe Sasuke. He used one blade against Kisame. B wasn't overwhelming Sasuke until he used the Seven Swords Dance.

Kisame applied pressure to Gai because of his superhuman strength, shown during their fight. Nothing to do with speed, which Gai has the clear advantage in. That was also only Base Gai, not any Gated Gai. The only time he used Gates was when he entered the 6th and stomped Kisame.

Hidan w/ a broken scythe keeping up w/ Kakashi and Hidan w/ a working scythe easily overwhelming Asuma, the same guy who was stated and shown pressing Kisame in close combat is enough to argue he has a chance of winning let alone stalemating. The main issue is the fact that Kisame can heal. In raw CQC Kisame easily overwhelming Hidan isn't happening.

This doesn't even answer what he said. He said that Kisame is slower than Kakashi and Asuma, who had issues w/ Hidan. Is that not true? Cause the databook puts them both .5 pts above Kisame. Hidan is slower than all 3, but that doesn't change the statement.

 

[shelke]

No offense to anyone, but MS Sasuke was never overwhelmed in their 7 sword fight. I even made a post about it way back. I am just gonna copy-paste it here:

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Sasuke was keeping up with Bee just fine despite his injuries:

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Not only that, Sasuke was fast enough to throw his sword from the left hand into the right one and hit himself with Chidori to make the stabs non-lethal before a single one connected. Notice how Sasuke uses Chidori with the left hand and picks up the sword in the same one:

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Notice that the sword is still in the left hand and the Chidori streaming is still there:

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When Bee stabs, Sasuke's sword is in his right hand and his Chidori is gone:

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Bee confirms it that Sasuke streamed Raiton through his body to make the stabs non-lethal:

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So, as I stated before, before Bee stabbed him, Sasuke threw his sword in the other hand and hit himself with the Chidori.

That's not all, he moved so fast that Bee compared his reflex and body manuvering speed to V1 Raikage as he saw Sasuke move at the same speed:

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Sasuke jumped on cloaked Bee's back here and flipped six times in air and touched the ground, when Bee is still in air; and Bee has yet to even move an inch when he rolled three times! This is the same speed Bee uses when performing the "Double Lariat" with V1 Ae; he matches his speed and Sasuke has shown to move faster than him. TWICE!

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Not only that, a healthy Itachi never took on Bee. He straight up parried him:

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And before anyone says, "oh yes, he did! Look at those 'impact' points," then, no. He did not. The 'clank clank' marks are still there and Itachi has parried away.

:kd: That Sauce!

 

[Forbidden Technique]

It won't incapacitate Hidan lol, and yeah it can feed Kisame its not like Hidan is a chakraless spirit.

How will it not get set off? You're stating Kisame will need to heal, he has no way to remove the sigil (tired of people acting like dried blood is incredibly easy to remove) and he's slower than both Asuma and Kakashi who couldn't deal with Hidan. I don't see what stops Hidan from plunging his weapon straight into his heart at anytime.

That isn't a known fact.

When did I say Kisame will need to heal? He got his chest blown out and chuckled about it. Hidan is never putting comparable damage on Kisame that would render him incapable of moving and require time to heal.

He's slower than Asuma and Kakashi who couldn't deal with Hidan, yet has out performed an opponent faster than all 3 of them...? Kisame's CQC feats>Hidan's. Kisame's reaction feats>Hidan's. The only thing Hidan has over Kisame is his acrobatic flexibility, which gets him close to no where.

 

[ToshiZO]

Hidan beats Kisame at full power with no intel.