He loses to Neji and Lee. Neji because he can just cripple Hidan's chakra network disabling him from casting his weird ritual. (must be chakra based, everything else is). And Lee because of the gates (Asakujaku burns him to bits)
technically none of these characters can kill Hidan, but he loses to these two so ya.
He loses to Neji and Lee. Neji because he can just cripple Hidan's chakra network disabling him from casting his weird ritual. (must be chakra based, everything else is). And Lee because of the gates (Asakujaku burns him to bits)
technically none of these characters can kill Hidan, but he loses to these two so ya.
I already solo'd this thread.
Don't go overhyping his taijutsu/cqc when the only attack he landed throughout the entire manga was on a destracted asuma. At best he beats hinata and ino. But that's it.
I already solo'd this thread.
Don't go overhyping his taijutsu/cqc when the only attack he landed throughout the entire manga was on a destracted asuma. At best he beats hinata and ino. But that's it.
*kills someone with Kisame's durability
*claims it doesn't do jack
The whole reason there's a body to find in the first place is because it fell into the
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, as you yourself illustrate with those scans. The mere fact that there's no more water around the body when Team Guy arrives on the scene implies that it was hot enough to evaporate most of the lake around it.
Hidan doesn't even approach that level of durability, or else
Oh ya how so? Neji and Lee cause of gates are an exception (still doesn't matter cause they have no way to kill him), but you just compared the rest to Hidan? LOL.
Alright you need to be educated.
Hidan clashing with Asuma head on.
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Hidan avoiding Shikamaru's shadow possession and landing a blow on Asuma at the same time.
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Hidan keeping up with Kakashi
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Neither of them able to tag the
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So we have Hidan being on par with Kakashi and Asuma's speed who are both a 4.5 in the databook....and you are telling me Sakura, Choji, Part 1 Naruto and Sasuke are gonna keep up? Lol.....ridiculous.
*kills someone with Kisame's durability
*claims it doesn't do jack
The whole reason there's a body to find in the first place is because it fell into the
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, as you yourself illustrate with those scans. The mere fact that there's no more water around the body when Team Guy arrives on the scene implies that it was hot enough to evaporate most of the lake around it.
Hidan doesn't even approach that level of durability, or else
I'm sorry...um. Did I ask for the details of Asakujaku, and how it affects its surroundings? Go edit the Naruto wiki its there for you, stop bringing up irrelevant matters with me. Now lets talk about something that IS relevant to Hidan. Did Asakujaku dismember the flesh after being hit point blank? Did it burn it to a crisp? Or is the body still in tact?
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I'm hoping you aren't blind and can see that it is the latter. So with relevance to Hidan, I stand by what I said. It does not do jack. And lol did you just bring up a scan of a cutting attack and compare it to a blunt attack.....lol.
Lol you have no idea what you are talking about....go educate yourself on Hidan's abilities. Neji has nothing that is even a threat to Hidans life. Neither does Lee. Hidan almost has a form of high speed regen, he doesn't suffer any drawbacks from internal damage. You'd need to dismember him, which nobody here is capable of.
Oh ya how so? Neji and Lee cause of gates are an exception (still doesn't matter cause they have no way to kill him), but you just compared the rest to Hidan? LOL.
Alright you need to be educated.
Hidan clashing with Asuma head on.
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Hidan avoiding Shikamaru's shadow possession and landing a blow on Asuma at the same time.
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Hidan keeping up with Kakashi
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Neither of them able to tag the
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So we have Hidan being on par with Kakashi and Asuma's speed who are both a 4.5 in the databook....and you are telling me Sakura, Choji, Part 1 Naruto and Sasuke are gonna keep up? Lol.....ridiculous.
I'm sorry...um. Did I ask for the details of Asakujaku, and how it affects its surroundings? Go edit the Naruto wiki its there for you, stop bringing up irrelevant matters with me. Now lets talk about something that IS relevant to Hidan. Did Asakujaku dismember the flesh after being hit point blank? Did it burn it to a crisp? Or is the body still in tact?
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I'm hoping you aren't blind and can see that it is the latter. So with relevance to Hidan, I stand by what I said. It does not do jack. And lol did you just bring up a scan of a cutting attack and compare it to a blunt attack.....lol.
Lol you have no idea what you are talking about....go educate yourself on Hidan's abilities. Neji has nothing that is even a threat to Hidans life. Neither does Lee. Hidan almost has a form of high speed regen, he doesn't suffer any drawbacks from internal damage. You'd need to dismember him, which nobody here is capable of.
Paper bomb is standard equipment.lol. nothing about hidan is durable the guy already said his taijutsu is garbage. Lee breaks his bones and he'll won't be able to fight back gg
Neji shuts his chakra system down= he can't fight back gg.
Paper bomb is standard equipment.lol. nothing about hidan is durable the guy already said his taijutsu is garbage. Lee breaks his bones and he'll won't be able to fight back gg
Neji shuts his chakra system down= he can't fight back gg.
haha like I said go educate yourself first. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. As long as Lee can't dismember him or anyone else for that matter, they aren't beating him. Paper bombs? Lol...once again.
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mate. His whole body was tightly squeezed against the strings, so he absorbed the full force of it, dismembering him. Had he not been disabled at first than he would not have been blown to bits.
Second of all like I said he has broke is own bones internally before without suffering any drawbacks.
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Asuma was on the ground and limping while Hidans leg was perfectly fine. He is fine with any kind of internal damage, as his body doesn't follow the norm, he had countless injuries where a normal body wouldn't allow the person to move yet he kept fighting as if the injury didnt even exist. Asuma getting stabbed in the femur is a good example of this.
He's been stabbed through his ribcage
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This attack goes right through his spine
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Unless you think all these attacks magically miss his bones, then broken bones or fractured bones dont affect his posture.
A normal zombie would not be able to stand upright after taking that scythe right through the back. Its not that he just doesn't die, its the fact that his body doesn't suffer from any drawbacks, otherwise he'd just be fighting through the injuries, you dont have a choice if you have broken bones you cant move a certain way regardless of willpower or if you're immortal, you're body wont allow it.
So Once again im gonna say this....they dont have any attacks that can threaten him. Neji will be exhausting himself wasting chakra. The only thing he will be doing is prolonging his demise.
Oh ya how so? Neji and Lee cause of gates are an exception (still doesn't matter cause they have no way to kill him), but you just compared the rest to Hidan? LOL.
Alright you need to be educated.
Hidan clashing with Asuma head on.
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Hidan avoiding Shikamaru's shadow possession and landing a blow on Asuma at the same time.
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Hidan keeping up with Kakashi
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Neither of them able to tag the
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So we have Hidan being on par with Kakashi and Asuma's speed who are both a 4.5 in the databook....and you are telling me Sakura, Choji, Part 1 Naruto and Sasuke are gonna keep up? Lol.....ridiculous.
It's funny that you use Asuma and the databooks as an example that neither Choji, Sasuke nor Sakura can keep up. I guess then that this never happened:
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or this:
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or this:
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We have non-speedsters like Ino (in Choji's slow body), Choji and Shikamaru all being able to react to Asuma and Hidan respectively, especially Choji, with an attack that would turn Hidan to paste. Sasuke with his 3 Tomoe Sharingan is going to react to Hidan easily if Shikamaru of all people could. Sakura doesn't even need to, she just barrels through the attack with Byakugo and decimates him with one punch.
As for Part 1 Naruto, I never mentioned anything about him.
I'm sorry...um. Did I ask for the details of Asakujaku, and how it affects its surroundings? Go edit the Naruto wiki its there for you, stop bringing up irrelevant matters with me. Now lets talk about something that IS relevant to Hidan. Did Asakujaku dismember the flesh after being hit point blank?
No because Kisame is more durable than Hidan. As for how much it injured the body internally (and we know it did since he was bleeding from his mouth), we have no idea. Heck, we have no idea how much it was damaged externally, thanks to the cloak. But seeing that Hidan is nowhere near as durable as Kisame, it doesn't matter. He gets burnt up and his bones shattered, the latter of which he can't shrug off.
The whole reason there's a body to find in the first place is because it fell into the
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, as you yourself illustrate with those scans. The mere fact that there's no more water around the body when Team Guy arrives on the scene implies that it was hot enough to evaporate most of the lake around it.
Yes, let's just ignore the fact that Shikamaru with no strength feats whatsoever was able to nearly decapitate Hidan with a normal dagger. Meanwhile people like Choji, Sakura, and Lee (back in Part 1, no less) create significant collateral damage and blow people away with the force of their punches merely connecting with their targets.
But no, let's just assume that this is going to do nothing to Hidan because it's not a cutting attack ... despite him showing no prominent tanking feats whatsoever.
It's funny that you use Asuma and the databooks as an example that neither Choji, Sasuke nor Sakura can keep up. I guess then that this never happened:
Do you know of something called an outlier? Do you know of inconsistencies? When previous feats have said otherwise, his top speed is much faster than what was shown here. Do you know why? Its for the sake of plot. This needed to happen, if Hidan used his full speed it would be impossible to perform such a feat, this is what you would consider PIS. Take that into account the next time you wanna bring up feats like these in a vs thread.
We have non-speedsters like Ino (in Choji's slow body), Choji and Shikamaru all being able to react to Asuma and Hidan respectively, especially Choji, with an attack that would turn Hidan to paste. Sasuke with his 3 Tomoe Sharingan is going to react to Hidan easily if Shikamaru of all people could. Sakura doesn't even need to, she just barrels through the attack with Byakugo and decimates him with one punch.
Remind me to bring up Edo tensei feats....you know how many inconsistencies there were in the war? If we go by this Sai and Kankuro outsped Deidara and Sasori by far.....do we look at outliers like this?
Second of all, Kakashi was never able to outspeed Hidan, he had the 3 tomoe but the difference was he is muuuuch faster than part 1 Sasuke. If what you are saying is true, than Kakashi should've blitzed Hidan and took his head off, he couldn't even tag him.
No because Kisame is more durable than Hidan. As for how much it injured the body internally (and we know it did since he was bleeding from his mouth), we have no idea. Heck, we have no idea how much it was damaged externally, thanks to the cloak. But seeing that Hidan is nowhere near as durable as Kisame, it doesn't matter. He gets burnt up and his bones shattered, the latter of which he can't shrug off.
hahaha Im ignoring this. You have no evidence for anything. You can write a fanfic about this attack and what it "could do" its a canon fact that this attack didn't burn anything to a crisp, neither did it dismember. Petty burns of that level will not do any harm to Hidan who was in the middle of an
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. And he is pretty damn durable as well.
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he tanked an attack that did
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to the surrounding environment. It ripped the trees to
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Go show me a scan of Asakujaku doing something worth noting to the flesh, before you make ridiculous assumptions for the case of this thread. Until then, your words hold no meaning.
Yes, let's just ignore the fact that Shikamaru with no strength feats whatsoever was able to nearly decapitate Hidan with a normal dagger. Meanwhile people like Choji, Sakura, and Lee (back in Part 1, no less) create significant collateral damage and blow people away with the force of their punches merely connecting with their targets.
But no, let's just assume that this is going to do nothing to Hidan because it's not a cutting attack ... despite him showing no prominent tanking feats whatsoever.
hahaha once again cutting does not equal blunt force. Please remember this before posting again.
you compare Hidan's durability to Kisame's...while you show me a cutting attack? Laughable
Look here Asuma manages to cut Kisame
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The same way he would have Hidan. Or anyone else for that matter. So quit comparing blunt damage to cutting attacks, it makes for a terrible comparison. Hidan is tanking Asakujaku and laughing it off.
And I have given you tanking feats. He tanked an explosion, he tanked Kakuzu's wind style, and he tanked countless attacks that broke his bones and kept moving as if they weren't even affected. You are under the impression that he's like a zombie or something that he is immortal but is affected the same way as a regular human. Incorrect. Proof of this is here.
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Asuma was on the ground and limping while Hidans leg was perfectly fine. Now if his body worked the same way as Asuma's why is he able to run around perfectly fine? Is he simply ignoring the pain? Nope, that wouldn't work, even if your body were not able to feel pain, with certain bones or muscles fractured you wouldn't be able to move a certain way.
Need more proof? There's this He's been stabbed through his ribcage
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This attack goes right through his spine
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Regardless of pain if a big ass scythe went right through your back you wouldn't even be able to stand upright, it has damaged your spine and other bones to the level where moving would be near impossible, so this bs notion that he is just immortal is simply wrong. You need to better understand how Hidan's body works.
Choji & Sakura would lose IC & w/o knowledge, while Lee/Neji/Shino just cant put him down.
Naruto & sasuke R outmatched w/o their power-ups
Shika will quickly deduce hidan needs to be mechanically incapacitated. And because Hidan cant overcome his defense, & his newest shadow haxx can land such blows w/ ease, he wins.
Kiba + Clone Kiba + Akamaru can logically incapacitate Hidan in their base forms. Hidan cant logically counter this with his unwieldy scythe. Its more likely his is disarmed by the trio, rather than stopping their speciallized torpedos & simultaneously drawing blood.
But I would still say 50/50 because its IC.
Do you know of something called an outlier? Do you know of inconsistencies? When previous feats have said otherwise, his top speed is much faster than what was shown here. Do you know why? Its for the sake of plot. This needed to happen, if Hidan used his full speed it would be impossible to perform such a feat, this is what you would consider PIS. Take that into account the next time you wanna bring up feats like these in a vs thread.
In other words you want to disregard what happened in the manga just because it doesn't make Hidan look good. Well, that's just too bad. Funny thing is Shikamaru was also able to get the drop on Hidan before and initiate a Shadow Possession via close quarters[
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], but I bet you want to label that as an inconsistency as well.
Second of all, Kakashi was never able to outspeed Hidan, he had the 3 tomoe but the difference was he is muuuuch faster than part 1 Sasuke. If what you are saying is true, than Kakashi should've blitzed Hidan and took his head off, he couldn't even tag him.
hahaha Im ignoring this. You have no evidence for anything. You can write a fanfic about this attack and what it "could do" its a canon fact that this attack didn't burn anything to a crisp,
And did absolutely nothing to Kakashi besides rip off his jacket. Why then should Hidan taking that be anything notable?
To make things worse, Morning Peacock absolutely craps on it feats wise, being able to
Go show me a scan of Asakujaku doing something worth noting to the flesh, before you make ridiculous assumptions for the case of this thread. Until then, your words hold no meaning.
Hidan is not laughing off being set aflame by an attack hot enough to evaporate a lake by contact, and kill someone with Kisame's durability. He's going to be burning until he's a charred corpse, seeing that there's no giant lake anywhere on this battlefield to douse himself with. Not like that'll be the only thing Rock Lee will be capable of in the first place seeing that he was able to do
Once again you miss the point. Shikamaru's strength is crap in comparison to Choji, Sakura, Kiba, and Lee. If he can even pierce Hidan's skin with a non-enhanced dagger, then they are going to damage him just as badly, and worse, with their far superior strength.
And I have given you tanking feats. He tanked an explosion, he tanked Kakuzu's wind style, and he tanked countless attacks that broke his bones and kept moving as if they weren't even affected. You are under the impression that he's like a zombie or something that he is immortal but is affected the same way as a regular human. Incorrect. Proof of this is here.
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Asuma was on the ground and limping while Hidans leg was perfectly fine. Now if his body worked the same way as Asuma's why is he able to run around perfectly fine? Is he simply ignoring the pain? Nope, that wouldn't work, even if your body were not able to feel pain, with certain bones or muscles fractured you wouldn't be able to move a certain way.
The mere fact that Asuma was able to stand and move at all after Hidan stabbed himself in the leg implies that no bones in his leg were broken. It was most likely intense pain that was affecting his ability to move, pain that Hidan tends to get off on. Not to mention that Hidan did not move around much after stabbing himself in the leg, so we don't know how much his movements were hampered.
Need more proof? There's this He's been stabbed through his ribcage
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This attack goes right through his spine
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Regardless of pain if a big ass scythe went right through your back you wouldn't even be able to stand upright, it has damaged your spine and other bones to the level where moving would be near impossible, so this bs notion that he is just immortal is simply wrong. You need to better understand how Hidan's body works.
Except that Choji, Sakura, Kiba, Neji and Lee are capable of much more than just some damage to the spine, as I have shown already. Choji and Sakura smash him into pulp, Kiba either bisects him or puts a Cerberus-sized hole through him, Lee torches him, bisects him or both, and Neji shuts down his chakra network making it impossible for him to perform his jutsu.
In other words you want to disregard what happened in the manga just because it doesn't make Hidan look good. Well, that's just too bad. Funny thing is Shikamaru was also able to get the drop on Hidan before and initiate a Shadow Possession via close quarters[
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So what do you want me to say? That shikamaru can keep up with Asuma and Kakashi as well? Obviously im looking at high end feats, which aren't clouded by plot. Also Shikamaru used the element of surprise to get Hidan after he had already dodged a mid air attack while falling, and he still couldn't manage to land an attack, it was blocked but shikamaru has shadow possession.
You can't say whether it did or didn't at all since whatever further damage it may have caused was hidden under the cloak.
You'd need to prove what it did. Its not dismembered until proven. No conclusive evidence, we see all his limbs are still intact, you cant simply make the excuse that he was wearing clothes.
And how much of that has to do with Hidan's durability? I don't know about you but that attack had a pretty big explosion and a lot of fire. He was at the core of it, that should render most in flames.
And did absolutely nothing to Kakashi besides rip off his jacket. Why then should Hidan taking that be anything notable?
To make things worse, Morning Peacock absolutely craps on it feats wise, being able to
We never saw how much of it Kakashi took, its completely off panel, what we do know is that Hidan was right infront of it. Kakashi didn't have to take the full force of it. With his precog he should've made it in time. Also the most relevant feat for this debate is the one which he landed directly on Kisames body, what it does to the landscape and other jutsus is important but not nearly as relevant as what it can do when hit with it directly. Which so far to me has proved to be nothing life threatening.
Hidan is not laughing off being set aflame by an attack hot enough to evaporate a lake by contact, and kill someone with Kisame's durability. He's going to be burning until he's a charred corpse, seeing that there's no giant lake anywhere on this battlefield to douse himself with. Not like that'll be the only thing Rock Lee will be capable of in the first place seeing that he was able to do
Sorry but Hidan laughs off getting stabbed repeatedly in the heart, we also saw him laugh off being burned in a massive explosion. Being set aflame is not gonna stop him from doing anything. He will simply have to finish the fight. Then worry about the rest later. Lol that was with the OP kyuubi chakra which can make fodders survive juubi attacks, nothing impressive at all.
Once again you miss the point. Shikamaru's strength is crap in comparison to Choji, Sakura, Kiba, and Lee. If he can even pierce Hidan's skin with a non-enhanced dagger, then they are going to damage him just as badly, and worse, with their far superior strength.
Again cutting does not equal blunt force. They arent going to damage him when the attacks are not cutting attacks. Its real simple, why do I have to keep repeating this?
With a blade enhanced by Fuuton, the type of chakra designed to cut through things. When faced with an unenhanced blade however, we end up getting
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him. And this is from a guy like Bee, who outmuscled A in a lariat exchange. Him failing to stab through anyone is a big deal.
hahaha I didn't know we were talking about samehada lool. We are talking about Kisame's durability.......And for your info that blade was enhanced as well.
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is what Killer Bee did to Kisame after. So far we have him being cut by Asuma and bisected by Killer Bee. Where do you get his durability when it comes to cutting force? He's no Kakuzu, his body can be cut easily.
The mere fact that Asuma was able to stand and move at all after Hidan stabbed himself in the leg implies that no bones in his leg were broken. It was most likely intense pain that was affecting his ability to move, pain that Hidan tends to get off on. Not to mention that Hidan did not move around much after stabbing himself in the leg, so we don't know how much his movements were hampered.
. Dragging that leg. Clear sign of an immobile leg. And are you ignoring all the other scans I showed you lol? Did you not see that a big ass scythe had gone through Hidan's back? And the fact that he had been stabbed through his ribcage? Are you telling me these attacks are magically missing the bones? Lol a normal human wouldn't be able to function regardless of if you could ignore the pain or not. You would have to move a certain way. And about Hidans movement...another scapegoat argument, he was clearly not hampered by it, and unless he went to the doctors while he was extracting the two tails, he fough Kakashi perfectly fine on that leg afterwards, he also healed his burns, the only thing that didn't heal was his ear which again is what I've been telling you from the start...internal injuries dont matter since he seems to function despite them, getting a cut or missing a body part is another thing altogether highlighted by his injured ear.
Except that Choji, Sakura, Kiba, Neji and Lee are capable of much more than just some damage to the spine, as I have shown already. Choji and Sakura smash him into pulp, Kiba either bisects him or puts a Cerberus-sized hole through him, Lee torches him, bisects him or both, and Neji shuts down his chakra network making it impossible for him to perform his jutsu.
Uhh thats not the point, he did not even have any reaction to having a broken spine and ribcage, meaning he definitely has some sort of high speed healing. And second of all...he's not gonna be standing there asking to get hit, he is faster than most of them, he absolutely outclasses some of them in speed, skill, taijutsu, especially the ones capable of doing the most damage.
