Hidan versus Monkey King Enma
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Correct. Enma manifested his his arm by himself and Orochimaru reacting to that doesn't mean that Hidan can, since the former has far better reactions last time I checked. Hidan can live with snapped bones, doesn't mean that he can fight effectively let alone fight at all.
If someone fast reacts to something slow, it does not mean someone slower can't react. This is especially true when reaction speed>>>one's movement/striking speed. Hidan's shown to outmanoeuvre Shikamaru's shadows while clashing on par with Asuma, a guy who reacted to Kisame, that same Kisame reacted to V1 Bee and outmaneuvered him. Enma without Hiruzen doesn't have the CQC feats to take on Sakura, let alone Hidan.
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Correct again, except that feat doesn't mean that Enma is slow, nor does Hidan reacting to the shadows casted by Shikamaru from a distance mean that he can react to Enma abruptly manifesting his arm at him at close range.
Also, what did Asuma react to from Kisame...? Sword slashes?... how does that translate to Asuma let alone Hidan having any sort of speed feats anywhere close to Kisame who you said reacted to V1 Bee...?
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Hidan reacted to shadows while clashing on par with Asuma. Kakashi was pushed back on the defensive and was unable to blitz or mount an offence against Hidan. Enma is no where near Hidan in speed let alone Kakashi. Back when Itachi and Kisame fought the Konoha jounin. My point is reaction speed allows one to react to someone with greater speed than yourself. I have no reason to believe Enma is on par with Hidan in speed or CQC ability let alone fast enough to tag him with enough force/precision.
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An exhausted and injured Kakashi purposely was parrying his attacks (effortlessly and with an inferior weapon at that) and was on the defensive since he had full intel on Hidan's abilities, was babysitting Asuma's students and had to fight Kakuzu at the same time. That's a good feat for Kakashi, not Hidan let alone any noteworthy feat for him.
Lets also not forget that Orochimaru was surprised by Enma's body manifestation the first time he did it
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So he knew to look out for it next time which undoubtedly helped him react... so I'd still like you to explain to me how Enma manifesting his body parts while in staff form is slow when the manga has shown he can do it immediately.
I don't really care about Hidan being faster than Enma. His feats don't give me a reason to believe that he can react to Enma manifesting his arms and lunging at him at close to point blank range.
Kakashi parrying Hidan's attacks doesn't change the fact Kakashi couldn't get on the offensive and failed to come close to landing a hit on Hidan which means a far slower monkey won't.
Lol fodder Tobirama and fodder Hashirama ended up kicking Hiruzen before Enma wielded by Hiruzen could do anything to Orochimaru. Orochimaru being surprised doesn't change the fact he can react to Enma just fine. Not to mention Orochimaru was using a sword with hardly any range unlike Hidan's weapon which has far more range which means Hidan has far more time to react than Oro.
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Too bad that the point of my post was that Kakashi wasn't even trying to mount any type of offensive. Not any type of feat for Hidan at all.
Yes, but the point was that it helped Orochimaru react to Enma faster the next time. The range of his scythe means shit when Enma can grab it and pull Hidan towards him. I'll say it again, Oro has way better reactions than Hidan as far as I'm concerned and Enma can manifest his arms very quickly. Nowhere in any of my posts was I trying to hype up his speed in other areas since I'm focusing on just one strategy.
Kakashi was essentially running away from Hidan but Hidan could still keep up with him. Kakashi was unable to mount an offensive unlike Hidan.
Are Enma's hands made of diamond? If so I agree he can grab them but how does Enma actually damage Hidan. This is the same guy that could fight just fine after getting hit by Atsugai that could level a large number of giant trees. Hidan could still fight after getting impaled front to back. Hidan has full control over how his scythe is swung so even if Enma tries to grab it, Hidan can change its trajectory. I need to see more physical strength feats from Enma's limbs while in pole form because last time I checked, Oro's measly shadow snake arms overpowered it completely.
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No he wasn't. Kakashi was dodging Kakuzu's attacks and then defended himself against Hidan. Kakashi was unable to mount an offense because he was being overwhelmed by having to face multiple opponents and his main focus wasn't Hidan as I already alluded to.
Hidan didn't suffer from snapped bones against that jutsu. He also didn't get his neck and limbs snapped either.
The reason why Enma is so durable in staff form stems from how durable and strong his regular body is. His henge is different from others that we've seen in the manga because he can actually alter the properties of his body (he turns his skin and flesh into an extremely durable and dense solid). It makes sense that Enma is more durable in staff form but in base he is still extremely strong and tough or else he wouldn't have the means of transforming into such a durable staff.
Enma won't grab onto the blades. The force of Hidan's swing will be significantly decreased when he hits the staff and Enma could take that opportunity to grab the upper hilt and pull Hidan towards him.
Those snakes grabbed onto his entire body and slowed down his movements enough for Orochimaru to have enough time to levitate his sword and pierce Hiruzen, but Enma was still able to move and detain the sword from fully impaling him all the way. If anything, that is a good feat for Oro's snakes.
He'll damage Hidan by breaking his neck and then his arms so he won't be able to move properly. Then he'll take his scythe and decapitate him to finish the job.
Let's also not forget that Enma can clone himself.
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If only he could do that while having his head disconnected from the rest of his body :| :| :|
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No. He didn't.
@Ice how does kakashi not going on the offensive equate to him not being able to go on the offense?
Naruto didn't fight back against Itachi but we're not gonna sit here and say he couldn't .
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How is he detaching his head :|
Okay you're main claim is that enma will be able to halt Hidans scythe and pull him in his pole mode. Correct? Even though its sketchy on if he could actually gather enough force with just arm movement, AND there is the fact that the arm might not even be able to reach the chain part of the scythe as the head of it is huge....even so that still is useless as if Hidan is pulled he takes out his ritual stick and stabs him right through the hand.