[VS] Hiashi vs Deidara

[DrProof]

That would just make Hiashi detect the bombs. He can't deflect them.

Rotation. Detonates bombs - protects Hiashi.

If we make the simple and reasonable assumption that the average needle size is the average diameter of the most popular set sold, then it turns out that the diameter is equal to 0.74mm which is the width of a Tenketsu. A Micrometer is 0.001 mm. Kidomaru's web, which is thicker than the head of the average needle and hundreds of times larger than Deidara's C4 Microscopic bombs got through that Chakra layer.

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None of that is even needed Waltz. Once the bombs connect to Hiashi's chakra propulsion he'd simply need to rotate & the bombs would detonate. Kaiten would shield Hiashi from any type of impact, not that the explosion would be anything to initially worry about externally, as it's an internal technique.

At most it'd cause a singe, or a small burn on the skin externally.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Rotation. Detonates bombs - protects Hiashi.


None of that is even needed Waltz. Once the bombs connect to Hiashi's chakra propulsion he'd simply need to rotate & the bombs would detonate. Kaiten would shield Hiashi from any type of impact, not that the explosion would be anything to initially worry about externally, as it's an internal technique.

At most it'd cause a singe, or a small burn on the skin externally.

How does rotation detonate the bombs? I thought it was a remote bomb on deidara's command. It not like he can turn them into duds like sasuke did.

 

[Apêx1]

So I ask again. Is he pushing the air away thus putting himself in a vacuum?

Yes, he's pushing the air/nano bombs away with his bursts of chakra. Wouldn't call it a vacuum though.

If we make the simple and reasonable assumption that the average needle size is the average diameter of the most popular set sold, then it turns out that the diameter is equal to 0.74mm which is the width of a Tenketsu and the stream of Chakra being release from each Tenketsu. A Micrometer is 0.001 mm. Kidomaru's web, which is thicker than the head of the average needle and hundreds of times larger than Deidara's C4 Microscopic bombs got through that Chakra layer.

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But then you remember that any small amount of spin would be sending objects so small far away from the rotation.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Yes, he's pushing the air/nano bombs away with his bursts of chakra. Wouldn't call it a vacuum though.



But then you remember that any small amount of spin would be sending objects so small far away from the rotation.

Well ok. More like a high to low pressure system.

 

[DrProof]

How does rotation detonate the bombs? I thought it was a remote bomb on deidara's command. It not like he can turn them into duds like sasuke did.

Think. What detonates Deidara's bombs initially? Chakra. Now, what is Kaiten? Highly-Pressurized chakra complimented with momentum generated force.

You can look @ it like this: Oil is plain, baseless. But if you add energy/fire it ignites. Same situation here. Deidara's bombs are plain & baseless. You add energy/chakra on top of the rotating force of Kaiten = explosion.

That's how I see it anyway.

 

[Waltz]

Rotation. Detonates bombs - protects Hiashi.


None of that is even needed Waltz. Once the bombs connect to Hiashi's chakra propulsion he'd simply need to rotate & the bombs would detonate. Kaiten would shield Hiashi from any type of impact, not that the explosion would be anything to initially worry about externally, as it's an internal technique.

At most it'd cause a singe, or a small burn on the skin externally.

Yes, he's pushing the air/nano bombs away with his bursts of chakra. Wouldn't call it a vacuum though.



But then you remember that any small amount of spin would be sending objects so small far away from the rotation.

The constructs of Rotation makes it necessary. You're saying that rotation can defend against attacks on a cellular level. Rotatation works by releasing a stream of Chakra from the Tenketsu which are the width of the average needle (0.740mm) several hundred times larger than one of Deidara's C4 (0.001mm or 1µm). It means a few things:

1) It's impossible for Hiashi to negate the Jutsu.
2) As there will be hundreds of thousands to millions of bombs incoming from all directions, it's impossible for Hiashi to negate all.
3) Rotation can only eliminate a needle-widths worth of bombs from Hiashi's finger.
4) Bombs that are not negated will detonate and destroy the keratinocyte making up Hiashi's epidermis and disintegrate his skin, inwards.​

 

[Apêx1]

So I ask again. Is he pushing the air away thus putting himself in a vacuum?

The constructs of Rotation makes it necessary. You're saying that rotation can defend against attacks on a cellular level. Rotatation works by releasing a stream of Chakra from the Tenketsu which are the width of the average needle (0.740mm) several hundred times larger than one of Deidara's C4 (0.001mm or 1µm). It means a few things:

1) It's impossible for Hiashi to negate the Jutsu.
2) As there will be hundreds of thousands to millions of bombs incoming from all directions, it's impossible for Hiashi to negate all.
3) Rotation can only eliminate a needle-widths worth of bombs from Hiashi's finger.
4) Bombs that are not negated will detonate and destroy the keratinocyte making up Hiashi's epidermis and disintegrate his skin, inwards.​

Your argument is extremely flawed. You are under the assumption that he's sending out needle sized chakra expulsions when he's sending out chakra expulsions that are formed as one. They don't need to make contact with the nano bombs to send them very far away. It's like an insect being thrown a distance away by your hand just swinging next to it. Then we remember the swinging motion is power enough to deflect Kunai's at high speeds, and then we also remember we aren't talking about insects but nano-bombs. They're being sent back large distances. You have a very flawed understanding of how things work.

 

[DrProof]

The constructs of Rotation makes it necessary. You're saying that rotation can defend against attacks on a cellular level. Rotatation works by releasing a stream of Chakra from the Tenketsu which are the width of the average needle (0.740mm) several hundred times larger than one of Deidara's C4 (0.001mm or 1µm). It means a few things:

1) It's impossible for Hiashi to negate the Jutsu.
2) As there will be hundreds of thousands to millions of bombs incoming from all directions, it's impossible for Hiashi to negate all.
3) Rotation can only eliminate a needle-widths worth of bombs from Hiashi's finger.
4) Bombs that are not negated will detonate and destroy the keratinocyte making up Hiashi's epidermis and disintegrate his skin, inwards.​

Nah, it doesn't work like that man. Once Hiashi, or any Hyuuga for that matter covers their entirety with chakra nothing will get through, as everything, and anything is interpreted. Here's an example:

A knight is wearing a full-body of armor - microscopic bombs are unleashed - the armor deflects any initial contact with the bombs.

You see what I'm saying right? It doesn't matter rather the bombs are smaller than the initial chakra points, because the Hyuuga cover themselves fully, and completely. There are no blind-spots in their armor of chakra.

 

[Waltz]

They're formed into one because he has to continually replenish each point with Chakra, hence the reason for the continuously rapid bodily rotation. If Rotation worked in the way you're suggesting, then after the wall of chakra was formed then the Hyuga's would not have to continue rotating; the could just stand still while the wall of Chakra acts as a shield. I am aware that it is the Chakra itself and not Hiashi's fingers parrying off the attack's but you're making the wild assumption that if 500,000 microscopic bombs are engaging Hiashi from all directions at the same moment that he would be able to rotate the needle sized streams of Chakra from his fingers around this entire spherical circumference in time to deflect each and every one of them and that none would enter within. ​

 

[Waltz]

Nah, it doesn't work like that man. Once Hiashi, or any Hyuuga for that matter covers their entirety with chakra nothing will get through, as everything, and anything is interpreted. Here's an example:

A knight is wearing a full-body of armor - microscopic bombs are unleashed - the armor deflects any initial contact with the bombs.

You see what I'm saying right? It doesn't matter rather the bombs are smaller than the initial chakra points, because the Hyuuga cover themselves fully, and completely. There are no blind-spots in their armor of chakra.

The only difference Is that the Armor protects the Knight at all times where as Hiashi has to physically continue to produce this armor via rapid body movement which has a limit. ​

 

[Apêx1]

They're formed into one because he has to continually replenish each point with Chakra, hence the reason for the continuously rapid bodily rotation. If Rotation worked in the way you're suggesting, then after the wall of chakra was formed then the Hyuga's would not have to continue rotating; the could just stand still while the wall of Chakra acts as a shield. I am aware that it is the Chakra itself and not Hiashi's fingers parrying off the attack's but you're making the wild assumption that if 500,000 microscopic bombs are engaging Hiashi from all directions at the same moment that he would be able to rotate the needle sized streams of Chakra from his fingers around this entire spherical circumference in time to deflect each and every one of them and that none would enter within. ​

The defence that wall would grant would be miniscule. Kaiten gives huge defence because it disperses force through its spin. The wall which they could create is in fact possible though, it can be done to block Kunai's, and it has been. And please quote me saying he will be spinning to block C4, my argument was always him using chakra as a protective layer. I only mentioned the spin's generation of winds to point out the fault in your argument. He's using Shunshin to leave the cloud which he can see with his Byakugan.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Kaiten can be broken by a strong force.

 

[Waltz]

The defence that wall would grant would be miniscule. Kaiten gives huge defence because it disperses force through its spin. The wall which they could create is in fact possible though, it can be done to block Kunai's, and it has been. And please quote me saying he will be spinning to block C4, my argument was always him using chakra as a protective layer. I only mentioned the spin's generation of winds to point out the fault in your argument. He's using Shunshin to leave the cloud which he can see with his Byakugan.

Alright. The wind argument is workable as a defense but it still fails. The wind generated from Rotation is circular in nature generally around the sphere itself. This area of effect of C4:

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Noting that Deidara himself detonates the bombs and considering the share millions of microscopic bombs; Hiashi will never deflect the entire Jutsu unless he can maintain rotation for hours on end without exhausting himself and the force of the wind generated from Rotation will only pitch bombs near by back into the air above him. The chakra shield can only work if Hiashi can continuously expel chakra from every Tenketsu in his body for extended periods of time. Which works against him because it leaves him open for something such as C2.

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[BLAZE]

Deidara nukes him