Hiashi VS Choji

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People can die wo feeling pain...

...They actually die smoother...

OT: Hiashi i think. He can contend with Chouji's size.

 

[neosmith500]

That doesn't make any sense. Number one, it's still the sacrifices living functioning body. Perhaps not from the outside, but his innards must remain the same and fully functioning, else how would he be alive still. Number two, if the body feels no pain like you claim, then why did Naruto's rasengan and Gai's Morning Peacock succesfully kill them? We know there chakra didn't run out.

Are you forgetting that kisame was immediately reunited with his sword after the blast, a sword with a healing facter no doubt, not to mention kisame's reserves but never mind that.

Jyuuken chakra specializes in destruction of chakra/organs, I already shown wat a tiny amount sent from 50m through a string could do to a CM2 users body.

Vacuum palm is a pinpoint blast of this same jyuuken chakra meant for destruction of chakra/organs so choji would efficiently be blast by long range super sized jyuken strikes.
Even the kaiten which is jyuken chakra, specializes in knocking away chakra.

 

[Draegod]

That doesn't make any sense. Number one, it's still the sacrifices living functioning body. Perhaps not from the outside, but his innards must remain the same and fully functioning, else how would he be alive still. Number two, if the body feels no pain like you claim, then why did Naruto's rasengan and Gai's Morning Peacock succesfully kill them? We know there chakra didn't run out.

Bruh! I'm at work so I can't go in, but you know I'm good for it later. Haha

 

[FemmeFatale]

Choji,
Kabuto chakra scapel wasn't even a factor against Tsunade because her "breast were too fat"

Logically choji is immune to the Hyuuga attack pre butterfly mode

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Choji,
Kabuto chakra scapel wasn't even a factor against Tsunade because her "breast were too fat"

Logically choji is immune to the Hyuuga attack pre butterfly mode

Lololololol! I can't believe you'd go so far as to take 2 completely different techniques, and pretend they're the same concepts!

 

[neosmith500]

Choji,
Kabuto chakra scapel wasn't even a factor against Tsunade because her "breast were too fat"

Logically choji is immune to the Hyuuga attack pre butterfly mode

So your basically saying base choji could use his fat to null jyuuken similarly to how kido's anti chakra armour functioned?.
So basically tsunade/choji cancels jyuuken with they're tits?

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Jyuuken>>>>choji

 

[Icelerate]

Good luck closing one's chakra points when they are a hundred times their ordinary size. The Hyuuga can pinpoint chakra points with ease because they release chakra from their own chakra points which flows into the enemy's chakra points as they are the same size as their own. With Chouji, this will prove to be much more difficult as Hiashi's gentle fist is coming out of his own chakra points in his fingertips but he won't be able to fill Chouji's chakra points completely with his own chakra.

Meanwhile, Chouji can spin around using his spiky hair to cover his body which makes it hard for Hiashi to make contact with Chouji's body. The Juubi's arms are quite large but Chouji is larger so the vacuum palm isn't sending Chouji flying. Chouji tanked the Gedo Mazo's shockwave so he tanks vacuum palm quite easily as well considering 30% Kisame did as well, albeit against a much smaller vacuum palm though Chouji himself is a much larger target compared to Kisame as well.

Chouji has superior stamina and possesses incredible raw power and could use his hands to squeeze Hiashi's rotation, forcing him to stop with friction and then crush him. With all the destruction on the battlefield, Hiashi won't even be able to use rotation properly as the ground he is spinning on will be disturbed.

Chouji should take it with high difficulty.

 

[Demonic.]

Lord Choji smashes Hiashi

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Good luck closing one's chakra points when they are a hundred times their ordinary size. The Hyuuga can pinpoint chakra points with ease because they release chakra from their own chakra points which flows into the enemy's chakra points as they are the same size as their own. With Chouji, this will prove to be much more difficult as Hiashi's gentle fist is coming out of his own chakra points in his fingertips but he won't be able to fill Chouji's chakra points completely with his own chakra.

Meanwhile, Chouji can spin around using his spiky hair to cover his body which makes it hard for Hiashi to make contact with Chouji's body. The Juubi's arms are quite large but Chouji is larger so the vacuum palm isn't sending Chouji flying. Chouji tanked the Gedo Mazo's shockwave so he tanks vacuum palm quite easily as well considering 30% Kisame did as well, albeit against a much smaller vacuum palm though Chouji himself is a much larger target compared to Kisame as well.

Chouji has superior stamina and possesses incredible raw power and could use his hands to squeeze Hiashi's rotation, forcing him to stop with friction and then crush him. With all the destruction on the battlefield, Hiashi won't even be able to use rotation properly as the ground he is spinning on will be disturbed.

Chouji should take it with high difficulty.

Pretty much this. In addition, Hizashi couldn't even full body blow himself out of Chouji's grip either.

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[Haizaki]

Pretty much this. In addition, Hizashi couldn't even full body blow himself out of Chouji's grip either.

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Yeah but he can basically have his chakra running through Choji in that position.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Yeah but he can basically have his chakra running through Choji in that position.

So why didn't he....? You can't tell me Hizashi was less skillful with the byakugan then part one Neji

 

[Haizaki]

So why didn't he....? You can't tell me Hizashi was less skillful with the byakugan then part one Neji

No he wasn't but him not resorting to that at that particular point doesn't necessarily mean he couldn't do it though. Considering the fact that he was controlled. Like how Nagato was made to use techniques when he was controlled

 

[Draegod]

That doesn't make any sense. Number one, it's still the sacrifices living functioning body. Perhaps not from the outside, but his innards must remain the same and fully functioning, else how would he be alive still. Number two, if the body feels no pain like you claim, then why did Naruto's rasengan and Gai's Morning Peacock succesfully kill them? We know there chakra didn't run out.

Ok bruh you already know how its going to go down. Me and you are obv the two biggest Choji supporters and know the most on our main man, but I know the most on Hyugas period! So lets get down to business while i have free time. haha

It is a Fact the Bodies Kisame and Itachi had felt zero pain (itachi and Kisame per say), and is evident (99.9% of Naruto fans didnt even notice this. haha) in there fight:

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When Kisame was Kicked with a 6th Gate attack he didnt as much say a word nor make any notions he was affected by it pain wise. And when he was hit by Morning Peacock he further showed zero pain and agony even though his body was burning (constant pain).

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And ofc the excuse most would think, "he has a high pain tolerance" which is funny. Because when facing the same opponent with much more weaker standard blows he screamed in agony:

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Base Guy made him (when merged with his sword) scream in pain when hit by a base attack.

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And with a standard blow he was able to make him cough up blood. lol Then ofc we have Itachi Uchiha.

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When Itachi was hit by a Point blank Odama Rasengan he smiled.... Tobi with Senju in his DNA even

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pain keep in mind. But just in case some noob fan say "itachi can take that type of damage easy", keep in mind when he was hit by a

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he screamed in pain, When he was barely touched by

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he screamed. Hell even a medic like [

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] from a much weaker standard Rasengan.

Basically it is manga fact no disputing that non of the Jutsu they were hit with affected them. And when the Chakra or Body Pain's jutsu implied ran out or was out of commission, the 2 returned unharmed

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. It isn't a Jutsu that transfers over the physical trauma one suffers, just Chakra and power in the sense. Unless any of you think the jutsu used on them were fodder and felt like a tac in the foot?

So in short Vacuum palm didnt affect Kisame because he couldn't be affected to begin with, plus the fact Samahada returned to him asap and heals all his wounds to add salt to injury.

Good luck closing one's chakra points when they are a hundred times their ordinary size. The Hyuuga can pinpoint chakra points with ease because they release chakra from their own chakra points which flows into the enemy's chakra points as they are the same size as their own. With Chouji, this will prove to be much more difficult as Hiashi's gentle fist is coming out of his own chakra points in his fingertips but he won't be able to fill Chouji's chakra points completely with his own chakra.

Meanwhile, Chouji can spin around using his spiky hair to cover his body which makes it hard for Hiashi to make contact with Chouji's body. The Juubi's arms are quite large but Chouji is larger so the vacuum palm isn't sending Chouji flying. Chouji tanked the Gedo Mazo's shockwave so he tanks vacuum palm quite easily as well considering 30% Kisame did as well, albeit against a much smaller vacuum palm though Chouji himself is a much larger target compared to Kisame as well.

Chouji has superior stamina and possesses incredible raw power and could use his hands to squeeze Hiashi's rotation, forcing him to stop with friction and then crush him. With all the destruction on the battlefield, Hiashi won't even be able to use rotation properly as the ground he is spinning on will be disturbed.

Chouji should take it with high difficulty.

**Sigh**

Who said he would close all his Chakra points? What would be the point? How would it be possible? And you still don't know how the Hyugas work my guy. They can use chakra to invade anything chakra dependent or related. Choji becoming bigger means an even easier bigger chakra point to target and inject chakra to either:
A. Overload that single chakra point to the point it is being blasted out like a water hose and cannot be controlled
B. Close that single point or disrupt the chakra flow in his body making him shrink back to normal because of the ninjtsu requiring constant chakra control or maintenance.
3. Use chakra to attack the bigger easier to affect Chakra organs for instant death! Or fatal fatal Injury!

Basically he is out matched and outclass in this aspect since his chakra and chakra points are now even easier to access and affect with minimum difficulty!

The "spin around" strategy is useless and a waste of Chojis time (he wouldn't even try it). When Hyugas can use anything that uses chakra as a medium to attack your body and affect your organs. Plus What would human boulder accomplish? And No, Choji did not tank the Mazo shock wave! HE

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and was sent flying no diff from a shock wave alone. And It is a fact Kisame and Itachi felt no pain when the Pain jutsu was invoked like i showed above.

Choji's best Punch with aid from his dad didnt

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! Yet the Juubi Stage two (a wayyyyyyyy higher and stronger version of the Gedo) hand (which is roughly Bijuu size) stood no chance against Hiashis attack even though the mass of the juubi hand was 10000 fold, plus the speed and velocity from it moving made it that much more in Hiashi favor!
The Gedo mazo

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, yet tanked Choji's best attack. Hiahsi's attack is easily game ending to standard humans, and will knock choji back most definitely! If his Heart is hit he is done for!

Then lastly the notion that Choji has anything to Bypass Rotation is beyond ridiculous! Juubi's hand>Chojis raw power! Even with Narutos cloak choji didn't have enough strength to keep the juubi's arm from moving (that shows the arm has a tremendous amount of strength and power). SO Rotation>Choji. And no, you cannot grab something that is a constant force spinning at a tremendous speed! He will

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if he even so much as barely touch it let alone grab. lol All the hyugas need is a foothold to use Rotation no matter how messed up the surroundings are, so unless hiashi is in the air he will be able to spin no matter what. The ground only provides a surface to move there feet on.

Anything else?

Pretty much this. In addition, Hizashi couldn't even full body blow himself out of Chouji's grip either.

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lol How can he use Full body blow when his chakra points were closed from fighting his own brother? He literally spen the entire time fighting his brother who is more then able to close chakra points and stop the use of chakra like Neji vs Hinata. So that point was more then debunked! Hiashi wins low-mid diff.

You all know Iwhen it comes to Choji and the Hyugas I know every possible aspect, feat, screen time to argue for them. So there is nothing any user could say that would even be a surprise and not already have a counter or method for. Anything else bro?

 

[neosmith500]

Vegeta what does the scouter say about the powerlevel of Draegod's post????

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Draegod u covered everything an more.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

No he wasn't but him not resorting to that at that particular point doesn't necessarily mean he couldn't do it though. Considering the fact that he was controlled. Like how Nagato was made to use techniques when he was controlled

The Trollkage and the 3rd Raikage were controlled and had no problem busting out of Gaaras restraints...

Ok bruh you already know how its going to go down. Me and you are obv the two biggest Choji supporters and know the most on our main man, but I know the most on Hyugas period! So lets get down to business while i have free time. haha

It is a Fact the Bodies Kisame and Itachi had felt zero pain (itachi and Kisame per say), and is evident (99.9% of Naruto fans didnt even notice this. haha) in there fight:

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When Kisame was Kicked with a 6th Gate attack he didnt as much say a word nor make any notions he was affected by it pain wise. And when he was hit by Morning Peacock he further showed zero pain and agony even though his body was burning (constant pain).

Spoiler

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And ofc the excuse most would think, "he has a high pain tolerance" which is funny. Because when facing the same opponent with much more weaker standard blows he screamed in agony:

Spoiler

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Base Guy made him (when merged with his sword) scream in pain when hit by a base attack.

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And with a standard blow he was able to make him cough up blood. lol Then ofc we have Itachi Uchiha.

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When Itachi was hit by a Point blank Odama Rasengan he smiled.... Tobi with Senju in his DNA even

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pain keep in mind. But just in case some noob fan say "itachi can take that type of damage easy", keep in mind when he was hit by a

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he screamed in pain, When he was barely touched by

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he screamed. Hell even a medic like [

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] from a much weaker standard Rasengan.

Basically it is manga fact no disputing that non of the Jutsu they were hit with affected them. And when the Chakra or Body Pain's jutsu implied ran out or was out of commission, the 2 returned unharmed

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. It isn't a Jutsu that transfers over the physical trauma one suffers, just Chakra and power in the sense. Unless any of you think the jutsu used on them were fodder and felt like a tac in the foot?

So in short Vacuum palm didnt affect Kisame because he couldn't be affected to begin with, plus the fact Samahada returned to him asap and heals all his wounds to add salt to injury.

Lol, wait a second. You mean to tell me the guy who literally showed no sign of agony or notion of pain after getting his entire

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and even proceeded to smile afterwards; not to mention literally fed himself to sharks like it was nothing is supposed to show some time of pain from a kick? Nothing funny about stating Kisame has very high pain tolerance (it's manga fact ). The Kisame you're referring to who screamed in pain is clearly weakened [

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], no idea why you brought that one up. Then Kisame coughing up blood from taking a direct punch from 7G Gai after getting hit from Hirudora is suppose to support your claim? C'mon dawg, lmao.

Lol? Are you forgetting Itachi is remotely controlling this living sacrifice? The real Itachi isn't feeling any pain... So him smiling doesn't mean anything. The only one feeling any pain is the sacrificed body for the jutsu, who obviously doesn't have any control over his body or what Itachi makes him do. The same applies with Kisame as well; I just enjoyed debunking everything you stated in regards to him, since you love to downplay him.

lol How can he use Full body blow when his chakra points were closed from fighting his own brother? He literally spen the entire time fighting his brother who is more then able to close chakra points and stop the use of chakra like Neji vs Hinata. So that point was more then debunked! Hiashi wins low-mid diff.

You all know Iwhen it comes to Choji and the Hyugas I know every possible aspect, feat, screen time to argue for them. So there is nothing any user could say that would even be a surprise and not already have a counter or method for. Anything else bro?

Huh? That's strange, so NOW it works on dead bodies Lol niga, I'm a little disappointed.

 

[Draegod]

The Trollkage and the 3rd Raikage were controlled and had no problem busting out of Gaaras restraints...



Lol, wait a second. You mean to tell me the guy who literally showed no sign of agony or notion of pain after getting his entire

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and even proceeded to smile afterwards; not to mention literally fed himself to sharks like it was nothing is supposed to show some time of pain from a kick? Nothing funny about stating Kisame has very high pain tolerance (it's manga fact ). The Kisame you're referring to who screamed in pain is clearly weakened [

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], no idea why you brought that one up. Then Kisame coughing up blood from taking a direct punch from 7G Gai after getting hit from Hirudora is suppose to support your claim? C'mon dawg, lmao.

Lol? Are you forgetting Itachi is remotely controlling this living sacrifice? The real Itachi isn't feeling any pain... So him smiling doesn't mean anything. The only one feeling any pain is the sacrificed body for the jutsu, who obviously doesn't have any control over his body or what Itachi makes him do. The same applies with Kisame as well; I just enjoyed debunking everything you stated in regards to him, since you love to downplay him.



Huh? That's strange, so NOW it works on dead bodies Lol niga, I'm a little disappointed.

How did you debunk anything when you just literally agreed when you said "? Are you forgetting Itachi is remotely controlling this living sacrifice? The real Itachi isn't feeling any pain... So him smiling doesn't mean anything. The only one feeling any pain is the sacrificed body for the jutsu, who obviously doesn't have any control over his body or what Itachi makes him do. The same applies with Kisame as well;" so with what I just said you literally just proved my pony! Lmao bruh, you need to reread what you wrote! In that encounter with the Jutsu pain used they felt no pain since it was not there bodies. So why would kisame be affected when it wasn't his body to be affected to begin with? Think about it, I'll wait!

Kakuzu had 5 hearts in edo form, hanzo still had his poison sac, and I can go on and on. Edo and pains Jutsu are no where near the same! The fact that you even compare the two is a shame. To use chakra you need chakra points. What is your point?

 

[Forbidden Technique]

How did you debunk anything when you just literally agreed when you said "? Are you forgetting Itachi is remotely controlling this living sacrifice? The real Itachi isn't feeling any pain... So him smiling doesn't mean anything. The only one feeling any pain is the sacrificed body for the jutsu, who obviously doesn't have any control over his body or what Itachi makes him do. The same applies with Kisame as well;" so with what I just said you literally just proved my pony! Lmao bruh, you need to reread what you wrote! In that encounter with the Jutsu pain used they felt no pain since it was not there bodies. So why would kisame be affected when it wasn't his body to be affected to begin with? Think about it, I'll wait!

Kakuzu had 5 hearts in edo form, hanzo still had his poison sac, and I can go on and on. Edo and pains Jutsu are no where near the same! The fact that you even compare the two is a shame. To use chakra you need chakra points. What is your point?

Nah bro, you're getting it all twisted. The sacrifices body is what's feeling the pain, not the real Kisame and Itachi. That's what I'm saying. As long as the jutsu is active, the sacrifice is still alive according to the DB. So in order to end the jutsu, either A) The chakra supply needs to run out, or B) Kill the sacrifice by inflicting fatal injuries. All Hyuuga techniques attack the inside of the body, and air palm didn't do anything to the living sacrifice. (Perhaps because Kisames durability? )

Regardless, you contradicted yourself. Your excuse for Kisame not receiving any damage from Air Palm was:

Kisame had a dead body that felt zero pain!

Edos are dead bodies that feel zero pain. But now Juken miraculously works in this case? @ bold, but the same doesn't apply to Kisames clone, right?

 

[TheEvilOne]

Give Hiashi Neji's speed feats and he takes this with low difficulty.

 

[Lariatoo]

Hmm...
Gotta go with Hiashi here.
His air palm is hand made (ser what I did here?) for big, cluncky targets.
And if something as string as the juubi palm was pushed away, Choji is going down.

 

[Haizaki]

The Trollkage and the 3rd Raikage were controlled and had no problem busting out of Gaaras restraints...

Yeah but this case is slightly different. Kabuto controls them so if they don't use a technique, it doesn't mean they can't use it like how we didn't see Black lightning and some other techniques that were confirmed used by the Kages. Kabuto may have not known of Hizashi's ability to do such and since he was controlling him, he may not have resorted to it. Also like Draegod said, if the chakra point of one is shut, he actually can't use it.

It's arguable considering the fact that could have actually done it in that scenario but for some reason didn't when Neji showed it can easily be done and even Kakashi explained it.