Hiashi Hyuuga vs 3T Itachi Uchiha

[UchihaNagashi]

Most of what you stated makes no sense at all. And the rest has been countered no diff. Did you even read the thread??? Just sit back and allow Owarji to represent Itachi alone please... smh

I didn't see anyone representing Hiashi but you. Also you countered nothing, lol.

You were just talking about the Kaiten and 360 vision. What's use of the 360, when the opponent is right in front of you? It doesn't matter shit, in fact there's no difference then between normal eyes and Byakugan then. It's only effective against multiple enemies, which Itachi isn't while he's faster than him (intercepted KCM Naruto and Kirābī effortlessly).

Then there's this fuzz about Kaiten, which can be countered by Bunshin Daibakuha. He won't even realize that it's a Bunshin, until it's too late. Even if he does, Kaiten is not tanking multiple ones following with Suiryūdan, lol.

Itachi still wins, period. Log off and let the next guy do the job.​

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[Haizaki]

You forgot to factor in that none of those people had pre-cog. Pre-cog cancels precog so You no longer have the advantage of precog to pad your lack of speed - which was the case in those fights. Now it's speed vs speed because when you precog, they precog. + by manga feats, sharingan precog's > Byakugan meaning itachi's faster + has better perception. Hiashi has no chance to react, once he tries, itachi adjusts.


All you're saying is completely irrelevant because Owarji's point still holds.
Speed > Rotation. Manga fact.

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Neji couldn't block or evade something slower than what

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Itachi won't even bat an eye to kill this guy.

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Lol funny enough neji reacted to naruto that's why there were 2 holes.
As for the shurikens

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If neji was able to block all of that without rotation...what about hiashi

 

[Draegod]

I didn't see anyone representing Hiashi but you. Also you countered nothing, lol.

You were just talking about the Kaiten and 360 vision. What's use of the 360, when the opponent is right in front of you? It doesn't matter shit, in fact there's no difference then between normal eyes and Byakugan then. It's only effective against multiple enemies, which Itachi isn't while he's faster than him (intercepted KCM Naruto and Kirābī effortlessly).

Then there's this fuzz about Kaiten, which can be countered by Bunshin Daibakuha. He won't even realize that it's a Bunshin, until it's too late. Even if he does, Kaiten is not tanking multiple ones following with Suiryūdan, lol.

Itachi still wins, period. Log off and let the next guy do the job.​

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Again reread the thread or Go to sleep. You sound and look stupid right now. It is evident you have no idea what is being talked about here.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Again reread the thread or Go to sleep. You sound and look stupid right now. It is evident you have no idea what is being talked about here.

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I think you're drunk man. You're going way too hostile.​

 

[Draegod]

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I think you're drunk man. You're going way too hostile.​

Bro-man I am as chilled as the other side of the pillow. I simply told you to get your info straight before looking foolish. If anything I was being helpful.. You're Welcome btw!...

 

[adeshina365]

Even if this was MS Itachi fapboys would say that the Hyuuga wins.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Bro-man I am as chilled as the other side of the pillow. I simply told you to get your info straight before looking foolish. If anything I was being helpful.. You're Welcome btw!...

Lmao, I see now haha sorry for being a douchebag. I'm still giving this to Itachi though, now with high difficulty.

There's still elemental Ninjutsu and Bunshin Daibakuha than can bust through his defense. Especially when if they fight on water, the Kaiten starts out considerably slower due to water beneath,

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. He won't see through clones even with Byakūgan, when Neji failed.

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Itachi's Shunshin and hand seal movement is top class. Notice how Jōnin struggled to keep up with him, even though they were the elite of the Konohagakure. In fact,

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. His Sharingan turns the speed and reflexes times drastic. Only first part of Sasuke was already toying with Pseudo-Mode Naruto. He also was faster than SM user, in fact executing the jutsu he attempted before Kabuto, indicating his pre-cognition being top notch. Speed isn't debatable.

He can even create water from no where, meaning he has every nature element jutsu he has at his disposal without any preparations.

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Hiashi can only dodge and spam Kaiten still, Genjutsu isn't needed.​

 

[Draegod]

Lmao, I see now haha sorry for being a douchebag. I'm still giving this to Itachi though, now with high difficulty.

There's still elemental Ninjutsu and Bunshin Daibakuha than can bust through his defense. Especially when if they fight on water, the Kaiten starts out considerably slower due to water beneath,

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. He won't see through clones even with Byakūgan, when Neji failed.

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Itachi's Shunshin and hand seal movement is top class. Notice how Jōnin struggled to keep up with him, even though they were the elite of the Konohagakure. In fact,

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. His Sharingan turns the speed and reflexes times drastic. Only first part of Sasuke was already toying with Pseudo-Mode Naruto. He also was faster than SM user, in fact executing the jutsu he attempted before Kabuto, indicating his pre-cognition being top notch. Speed isn't debatable.

He can even create water from no where, meaning he has every nature element jutsu he has at his disposal without any preparations.

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Hiashi can only dodge and spam Kaiten still, Genjutsu isn't needed.​

Hold this thought! Im about to go out to eat for lunch and will be on my phone. So i'll counter later and hopefully change your mind.

 

[Prince Charles]

Draegod is a clown but a smart one Ill agree with him on this matter.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Just want to let people know, the exploding clone is absolutely useless. Coincidentally, Deidara used something eerily similar against team Gai -- an explosive clone. However, Neji was able to clock on due to the chakra activity inside of it [

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] and warn his teammates accordingly. I mean, Kakashi's Sharingan was able to clock onto it so I fail to see why a Doujutsu

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cannot do the same.

All I want to say.

 

[Owarij]

Byakugan senses everything accurately 360! As in no matter where you might appear they have you tracked no diff!

It's funny that you think the bykaugan has the ability to lock on and track people's movements. Unfortunately it's not the sharingan.
I'm very awear the sharingan can only see to the front and slighty off to the sides ( the vision of an eye) . But in Sasuke's fight with lee, it was a straightforward kick that got him. It didn't matter if he could see it coming. He couldn't do anything about it. It will not matter if Hiashi see's the shunshin user coming, his body itself can;t react to it..

This is exactly the same situation akin to what happened to Obito in the cave with Sasuke. It takes obito less effort to activate his Ms ability. he literally only has to start moving some chakra to his eye. Much less effort than expelling chakra from your body. Yet he was unable to react fast enough to defend against amaterasu, though he very well saw it coming.

Once again, right back to lee's statement. To defend against speed, you body must be able to react to it first of all. This is why mifune can stop ninjas before they can even make a handseal. they are slow, and he can close distance and capitalize on it. Seeing him doesn't change anything. If you can't move, or start threading chakra before he's already up on you, It's over. You keep posting the same arguments over and over saying the same thing. Byakugan's range of vision isn't helping. It isn't magically giving Hiashi Minato or A level reflexes or speed.

 

[Draegod]

It's funny that you think the bykaugan has the ability to lock on and track people's movements. Unfortunately it's not the sharingan.
I'm very awear the sharingan can only see to the front and slighty off to the sides ( the vision of an eye) . But in Sasuke's fight with lee, it was a straightforward kick that got him. It didn't matter if he could see it coming. He couldn't do anything about it. It will not matter if Hiashi see's the shunshin user coming, his body itself can;t react to it..

This is exactly the same situation akin to what happened to Obito in the cave with Sasuke. It takes obito less effort to activate his Ms ability. he literally only has to start moving some chakra to his eye. Much less effort than expelling chakra from your body. Yet he was unable to react fast enough to defend against amaterasu, though he very well saw it coming.

Once again, right back to lee's statement. To defend against speed, you body must be able to react to it first of all. This is why mifune can stop ninjas before they can even make a handseal. they are slow, and he can close distance and capitalize on it. Seeing him doesn't change anything. If you can't move, or start threading chakra before he's already up on you, It's over. You keep posting the same arguments over and over saying the same thing. Byakugan's range of vision isn't helping. It isn't magically giving Hiashi Minato or A level reflexes or speed.

What does using chakra from your body have to do with the body moving again? Why can Sharingan do it but byakugan not? Double standards are funny huh?

 

[Prince Charles]

What does using chakra from your body have to do with the body moving again? Why can Sharingan do it but byakugan not? Double standards are funny huh?

I thought sharigan was the one gifted with pre cog etc? Not byakugan?

 

[Draegod]

I thought sharigan was the one gifted with pre cog etc? Not byakugan?

You do not know what I'm asking and what we originaly talked about. It has nothing with Precog, since byakugan goes further to accurately sense and see chakra build up before you attempt anything and insight goes beyond "Pre-cog". It has nothing to do with future vision, me and him already agreed hiashi will be able to see and sense everything, his argument is will he be able to do anything about it.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Its not a direct for of precog, but a predictive measure on the users part that is created given the insight into a persons chakra and ability to see their location at all times.

@Owarij the hyuugas are trained to react to anything that is inside their field of vision so they can counteract accordingly. The head hyuuga, though may not have any feats directly showing his reaction speed, but as the head hyuuga, he is clearly stronger than all other hyuugas including neji and has shown prowess of all techniques on another scale. It would be foolish to think that as the head hyuuga and the most powerful hyuuga that his reaction feats would be anything below top tier level.

His footspeed may not be as great as itachis, but his handspeed in cqc certainly would make up for it.

 

[Prince Charles]

You do not know what I'm asking and what we originaly talked about. It has nothing with Precog, since byakugan goes further to accurately sense and see chakra build up before you attempt anything and insight goes beyond "Pre-cog". It has nothing to do with future vision, me and him already agreed hiashi will be able to see and sense everything, his argument is will he be able to do anything about it.

So his basically saying this all comes down to whether or not hiashi has the reaction time?

 

[slimreaper]

You do not know what I'm asking and what we originaly talked about. It has nothing with Precog, since byakugan goes further to accurately sense and see chakra build up before you attempt anything and insight goes beyond "Pre-cog". It has nothing to do with future vision, me and him already agreed hiashi will be able to see and sense everything, his argument is will he be able to do anything about it.

the uchiha can also see the build up of chakra. not only that, they can differentiate due to change in color. I don't see how you think thats only a hyuuga thing

 

[AGoodBoy]

You literally proved nothing nothing at all. Like literally I wasted my time reading your post. smh Plus the fact he did block naruto made your post Mute. When you can counter everything and post manga facts or something that backs what you claim get back at me. Plus the fact Hiashi is leagues above part 1 genin neji. lmmfao His rotation neg diffed 20 joinin and its range and speed is wayyyy beyond genin neji's. lmao

He failed to block naruto. That's why he blew up in a cloud of smoke and got injured. He tried to create a defence but it failed to execute in time. In that situation, with a kunai, it would play just like with neji where the juubi spikes almost decapitated him.

Itachi leagues faster than part 1 naruto. Part 1 naruto is 2 point in speed - 3 down from itachi.
Neji's 1 point below hiashi and he's also faster in current arcs. Yet speed still > Him.
@bold: You keep listing nonsense neglecting the basic point that he won't get to rotate. What about my second scan, hmm? Locked in cqc combat when a clone pops above his head with a shuriken. What then? He dies. He can't rotate in time.

PS: How about you try to argue how hiashi does all this 'he rotates he rotates' in time. Itachi's speed feats are enough to outspeed his byakugan effortlessly. Unless you're implying he's rotating the entire fight without stop?

 

[Draegod]

the uchiha can also see the build up of chakra. not only that, they can differentiate due to change in color. I don't see how you think thats only a hyuuga thing

I didnt say they couldn't see chakra? Where did you get that from? I even noted that is the only thing they have in common. Please do not come here with your biased Uchiha love to blind you what has already been discussed. smh It's a reason the only ppl I'm replying to are Owarji and another. But I cannot go into details now since I am busy.

So his basically saying this all comes down to whether or not hiashi has the reaction time?

Yes, basically.

 

[Draegod]

He failed to block naruto. That's why he blew up in a cloud of smoke and got injured. He tried to create a defence but it failed to execute in time. In that situation, with a kunai, it would play just like with neji where the juubi spikes almost decapitated him.

Itachi leagues faster than part 1 naruto. Part 1 naruto is 2 point in speed - 3 down from itachi.
Neji's 1 point below hiashi and he's also faster in current arcs. Yet speed still > Him.
@bold: You keep listing nonsense neglecting the basic point that he won't get to rotate. What about my second scan, hmm? Locked in cqc combat when a clone pops above his head with a shuriken. What then? He dies. He can't rotate in time.

PS: How about you try to argue how hiashi does all this 'he rotates he rotates' in time. Itachi's speed feats are enough to outspeed his byakugan effortlessly. Unless you're implying he's rotating the entire fight without stop?

Silly rabbit. You seem to think Rotaion is the only form of defense. You obv haven't read the entire thread. Tsk tsk.. Neji in part one had that problem against a stronger more powerful kyubi cloak naruto, in part two he blocked the Juubi's force. The same force that sent To Bijuu's flying.

And you Obv do not know how rotation works. Naruto Kyubi cloak is wayyyyyyyy stronger and has more force then Itachi could ever dream of! Do not compare his power to itachi who isn't even known for his strength. When you reread everything and learn how Rotation works then I'll waste time replying again.