[VS] Hiashi Hyūga vs MS Sasuke

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How does he counter it? How does he counter Amataerasu followed with an arrow? If you gave a counter, I'm pretty sure I won't be stressing on it.

I already told you it's the way Rotation works that hard counters it [ ]. You release chakra from your body (stopping Amateratsu) and then spin to make the dome like Rotation defence (stopping the arrow).
 

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Just found a decent counter to that combo haha. The only problem is how Hiashi gets past Susanoo

Whats the counter? im surprised at how quickly u gave up on ur point!!
OT:Wall Palm negs it.

I already told you it's the way Rotation works that hard counters it [ ]. You release chakra from your body (stopping Amateratsu) and then spin to make the dome like Rotation defence (stopping the arrow).

I also gave him this same counter Lol..seems it just takes the right person's words for it to be official.

But he can easily stop Ama by using the first stage of rotation.
Neji's small dome of chakra could easily neg ama, Hiashi's chakra shield for rotation is many times the size of neji's which means he negs Ama with the first stage an then negs the arrow with the 2nd Lol
 
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I already told you it's the way Rotation works that hard counters it [ ]. You release chakra from your body (stopping Amateratsu) and then spin to make the dome like Rotation defence (stopping the arrow).

Actually this is similar to what I came up with but my point was what it he spins to get rid of the flames and the arrow gets fired during that period? Like this but in this case, we have an arrow.
 

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Actually this is similar to what I came up with but my point was what it he spins to get rid of the flames and the arrow gets fired during that period? Like this but in this case, we have an arrow.

The chakra dome itself can expand without the need to rotate, The rotation is only used to knock away the attack, its user can choose to keep this chakra as a shield, instantly expandin it if needed

Given the size of hiashi's dome not to mention hiashi can just wall palm the moment he see's the build up.

Hiashi having a far larger kaiten means he can expand his to fit size of his crater the same way neji did. Neji created a larger crater in that scan without a spin, than in this one where the spin is used

Any more points?
 

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Any more points?

You need to reason the points first before thinking you're making one concede. Where did you get the dome expanding without rotating from? Neither do the other points even make sense when one reasons what I'm saying.
 

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You need to reason the points first before thinking you're making one concede. Where did you get the dome expanding without rotating from? Neither do the other points even make sense when one reasons what I'm saying.

I got it from here
Where in that scan did neji spin to expand his dome?,i must be blind.

Tho u kno ur my bro, im just trying to prove a point with scans.
 

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Actually this is similar to what I came up with but my point was what it he spins to get rid of the flames and the arrow gets fired during that period? Like this but in this case, we have an arrow.

Yea, I told you this in my first or second reply to you. And yea, that's viable as well. Not to mention the user can emit insane amounts of chakra from their body [ ], giving them not only the ability to detect the arrow and react quicker, but also the ability to create a virtually absolute defence with Rotation.
 

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Was this troll bait or what? Seems to be working.
 

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I got it from here
Where in that scan did neji spin to expand his dome?,i must be blind.

Tho u kno ur my bro, im just trying to prove a point with scans.
Yeah I feel you bro.

Nahh Neji was still rotating but got intercepted there. That's why his position changed from this (bottom left) to this as you can see the crater indicating he spun.

Though can Wall Palm really destroy Susanoo? I think it would force it back weakening it until Sasuke gets worn out.

Yea, I told you this in my first or second reply to you. And yea, that's viable as well. Not to mention the user can emit insane amounts of chakra from their body [ ], giving them not only the ability to detect the arrow and react quicker, but also the ability to create a virtually absolute defence with Rotation.


My actual thought was this.

- Amaterasu takes time to burn like Draegod showed so while the shield is out, Hiashi can ignore rotating while Ama burns slowly and still try to anticipate the arrow. He can even use Blow body to counter the flames

Then when the arrow comes, he rotates having dealt with the flames. They Hyuugas can counter everything including Genjutsu but just need that end product which involves dealing with Susanoo.

Btw if that was your point from the start, then my bad since I didn't really get it.
 

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evani get yo weak ass out of here you become less credible by the day still waiting for apex to counter me
 

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My actual thought was this.

- Amaterasu takes time to burn like Draegod showed so while the shield is out, Hiashi can ignore rotating while Ama burns slowly and still try to anticipate the arrow. He can even use Blow body to counter the flames

Then when the arrow comes, he rotates having dealt with the flames. They Hyuugas can counter everything including Genjutsu but just need that end product which involves dealing with Susanoo.

Btw if that was your point from the start, then my bad since I didn't really get it.

Lol, it was my point from the start.
Yes, he can expel Chakra [ ][ ][ ].
 

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Please show me a scan of Hiashi doing this please ill wait. Everytime Neji has shown to use his technique he's also needed a brief moment of focus or concentration Amaterasu roasting him stops this concentration or focus ending the fodder and even if he some how blows amaterasu away he would still take damage did you not see nagato body after he was hit with amaterasu also this tech has shown to leave the body wide open chidori spear GG.

Every Hyuuga can use all Tenketsu's in their body. I don't see why the main house leader would be an exception to that, when Part 1 Neji, who was a tutee of Hiashi, could do it. Yes, and Amateratsu needs a brief moment too. Your point? Hiashi can easily see Amateratsu being moulded in Sasuke's eye, as he saw Kidomaru's webs being moulded in his mouth; and prepared for it. Same here, except this time he goes to the extra step and spins once the arrow is shot. So no, he's not being blown by Amateratsu because he starts by putting a layer of chakra on his skin (as I have said a 1000 times now) and releases it with this brief spin, or rotates.

If you belive that lin layer of chakra can stop a susanoo arrow get the phuck out but if you we're talking about amaterasu its plausible if he could put that thin layer of chakra up in time trying to counter amaterasu based on eye build up is insanely hard kabuto a sensor dodged it at the last moment and it was even aim to hit him only to stop his path plus in battle amaterasu happens . Hiashi never created a shockwave with his hands get out with the fanfic. The bold kills me blowing back Juubi's hand is not an impressive feat whatsoever especially since the juubi body is tangy like gum or meaning its fairly light also Kakashi was not even able to move a muscle when a susanoo arrow is firing you think Hiashi will get rotation off in time and even if he could Rotation power was stalemated by red eyed naruto's punch in part one that high dense chakra gets pierced also rotation does not last forever once its droped another pair of susanoo arrow's come tumbling his way.

Yes, I was talking about Ama. Kabuto dodged it. Hiashi is doing no dodging, he is simplu exerting chakar which is in no way slower than the arrows prep, let alone firing. And lmao, I don't care for EMS Sasuke feats now do I? I am talking MS, and MS suffers from tonnes of strain, so this "instant Amateratsu" goes out of the window. What the actual ****. Juubi in v1 sent Kurama and Hachibi flying with this tangy like body. So whatever you say, the Juubi v2 is stronger, and was sent back by Hiashi with his shockwave. And you have yet to tell me how that isn't a shockwave, you can't just state something and keep it unproven.. And what? Kakashi had no intel on the arrow, he was on the floor, and he still built up chakra from his eye to counter it. Hiashi will be standing, and only needs to spin the second the arrow is prepared for fire (since he has intel, I repeat). That wasn't rotation, that was the simply chakra release he has in front of him before rotating. No, Lol. Hiashi has vision on what Sasuke is doing the entire time. If Sasuke has an arrow with him the entire time, then the second he releases the Rotation he sends a Air wall palm Sasuke's wave.


Hiashi trying rotation again is funny when Rotation has a limit to when its runs out also if he keeps trying rotation to counter susanoo arrow's sasuke simply fires amaterasu to burn the rotation down then susanoo arrows end him. Air palm is never getting off before an arrow is fired Kakashi with actually speed feats could not move a muscle before being shot down danzo in mid handsigh was killed aswell hiashi thrusting his hole arm is not happening. The Databook argument did this databook say temari could blow the universe away? also its to flawed to be held accountable for anything vs matchup wise we need Feats and manga not this silly databook thing. Or Sasuke could end this fight by summoning his hawk covering it with susanoo and then use Kirin witch ends this.

What limit do you speak of? The only limit is the proficiency of which Hiashi has with Rotation. Good thing Hiashi's Rotation is the strongest rotation in the manga size wise. Uh.. What? You're telling me Hiashi is going to rotate before Sasuke does anything, just randomly?.. Yea no, that's not happening. Sasuke loses his Susano when he fires Amateratsu inside of it. So no arrows will come after the Amateratsu, which is countered by simply dropping the Rotation or releasing chakra for it to disperse. Learn the difference between Hyperbole and mechanics. Hyperbole=godlike speed, invincible, destroyer of a universe. Mechanics=workings of a jutsu, how it actually works, the only description we receives from Kishi himself. So no, your attempt to disregard the Databook fails completely, as you don't know the simply difference between hype and mechanics. Databook counts whether you like it or not, if you don't, well that's too bad. Sasuke can only use Susano to cover other entity's or constructs with EMS, he cannot do it with MS. Not to mention, Sasuke dies the second Hiashi sends that silly hawk crashing down with an Air Wall Palm. Kirin needs more prep then Sasuke will get when he's being pressured with long range attacks he won't be dodging.
 

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evani get yo weak ass out of here you become less credible by the day still waiting for apex to counter me

What so special about ur post anyway?
- Trying to claim Hiashi cant replicate kid neji's feats, a branch member to the hyuuga leader, i quess hiashi cant use 64 palms or basic jyuken?, foolish boy.

-Nagato was on the floor burning until kabuto activated ST, saying pain would stop hiashi expelling chakra is baseless since Ama requires prep, the prep time is the interval for hiashi to exert chakra. Also ama burns slow as shit.

Kakashi not bein able to move a muscle is the exact reason he had to kamui the shot, he was stationary, watching susano manifesting, Aim an fire its arrow, if kakashi dashed the moment it was manifesting then no arrow problem, obviously, an dont even bring up danzo who cant react to kunai or anything involving MS.

Most of ur points are inaccurate an never once took consideration of the hyuga awareness, Kirin is ur only valid point bruce
 
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Yeah I feel you bro.

Nahh Neji was still rotating but got intercepted there. That's why his position changed from this (bottom left) to this

Na man look carefully at the upper left an upper right of the scan, Neji was obviously not in motion, he was standin still an merely lifted his hand, that was more of a block an the crater indicates the chakra itself rotating in a imperfect formation not neji The scan it visibly shows neji bein unable to do a revolution an merely lifted his arm in defence, upper left an upper right proves he never had the chance to rotate at all, just look carefully at neji himself an not the chakra.

Where did he get chance to spin when naruto was in his face in the lower panel?
 
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We've only seen him with a few raw power feats. But that's not even remotely and he just doesn't have the arsenal to fight Sasuke; he's really just a bad match up for him.

He has no counter for Amaterasu, which appears whereever the user designates nigh-instant. Even with full intel, Hiashi's prepping to dodge is useless unless his speed and reactions are at least on par with V2 RCM Ay (which is edging on the side of very unlikely).

Sasuke mid-diff because he's probably not going to hit the Mangekyou off the bat.
 
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