[VS] Hiashi Hyūga vs MS Sasuke

[TRE MERCER]

Amateratsu- Countered with chakra release
Genjutsu- Non-factor in front of Hyuuga eyes
Speed- Perceived with ease, and massive hand speed easily stops him in his tracks. Rotation stops him as well.
Arrow- Deflected with Rotation.
Kenjutsu- Countered with Gentle Fist and Hyuuga bodily chakra exertions.
Susano-Countered with Vacuum Air Palm, Susano does in fact have Tenketsu which can be advantageously used by Hiashi to destroy the construct.
Enton variants- Leaves chakra around his entire hand and attacks, or uses Air palm or absorbed via Twin Lion Fist.

Again, I shall repeat, how does Sasuke ultimately end Hiashi?

Countered with chakra release can he even use that? Just like Nagato he'll suffer terrible damage especially if it's aimed at his face... What speed feats do Hiashi have honestly? Oh wait those make believe ones... Rotation stops a Susanoo arrow? Does rotation even have those tanking feats? Once he uses rotation the first time Sasuke simply waits and uses it again once he stops spinning? How is countering Susanoo with air palm? Once Susanoo comes out multiple arrows comes with it if he tries air palm he gets recked... Now Hiashi has twin lion fist? You gave him a mixed mash up of every Hyuga tech that has been shown stop with the fanfic..

 

[adeshina365]

Why is this thread still going? Sasuke stomps.

 

[Apêx1]

Countered with chakra release can he even use that? Just like Nagato he'll suffer terrible damage especially if it's aimed at his face... What speed feats do Hiashi have honestly? Oh wait those make believe ones... Rotation stops a Susanoo arrow? Does rotation even have those tanking feats? Once he uses rotation the first time Sasuke simply waits and uses it again once he stops spinning? How is countering Susanoo with air palm? Once Susanoo comes out multiple arrows comes with it if he tries air palm he gets recked... Now Hiashi has twin lion fist? You gave him a mixed mash up of every Hyuga tech that has been shown stop with the fanfic..

Yes, he can expel Chakra [

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]. And no, he won't, because he can activate a thin layer of chakra from the very second chakra in the eye is built up [

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]. I never said he'll keep up in foot speed with Sasuke, I said in hand speed and reaction speed, which is 100% warranted to a Byakugan user who can create massive shockwaves with pure hand speed (while adding chakra to make it like a long range gentle fist). Rotation stopped the Juubi hand, so yes, it has more than enough power to simply deflect an arrow/change its trajectory. And then Hiashi does it again? Your point? Not to mention an air wall palm would hinder an arrow spam, so that point is moot. Air Palm<Arrow? WTF? Air Palm pushes the arrow out of the way, as if it wasn't even there. And yes, Hiashi has Twin Lion Fist as stated by the Databook claiming it is passed on from the Main House leader. Guess what Hiashi is? The Main House Leader.. Not a single counter in your argument smh.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Hiashi would win this. Sasuke has virtually nothing that could help him beat Hiashi. DOubt he'd even be able to land critical hits.

 

[neosmith500]

He still has to rotate to get rid of the flames.

Had to go in on ur post. The chakra for kaiten already showed the ability to knock away attacks and expand to fit the AOE of the user.
Hiashi having a far larger kaiten means he can expand his to fit size of his crater the same way neji did

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The user does not have to spin to expand this since neji created a larger crater in that scan without a spin, than in this one where the spin is used

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The method can change to fit the situation as it can be used as a constant shield as neji demonstrated against kido by covering a large area around himself with chakra, It can surely expand without the spin.

After which he can simply blast susano with wall palm which is jyuken chakra that was stated to destroy chakra which susano is entirely composed of not to mention the violent shockwave which forces said jyuken chakra into susano.

 

[Chazzi]

Chuunin exams Sasuke takes this.

 

[Apêx1]

As soon as Susanoo comes out, the arrow comes out as well

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. The thing is, Sasuke can use Amaterasu while in Susanoo first to disturb him and then fire the arrow while he's dealing with Amaterasu or straight after he counters Ama making it hard to counter the arrow

I know that. It doesn't mean the arrow has already been fired, it just means the arrow is present. Since I already said Hiashi will se the arrow being pushed backwards, he begins to rotate and thus effectively counters it. And MS Sasuke cannot use Ama while inside Susano, that's a common misconception. It puts too much strain on him, not to mention Hiashi easily counters that by the way in which Rotation works [

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]. He blocks Amateratsu via Chakra presence on his body and then pushes away both the Amateratsu and the arrow via rotation.

Are u assuming sasuke rushes hiashi without v3 or are u applying Sasuke's fluid bodily movements to his v3?

If Sasuke rushes hiashi with a sword like he did madara, the moment before he gets in striking distance is immediately paused by a wall of chakra which will blast him away.

V3 rushes hiashi an gets wall palmed an destroyed.
-If he jumps high an manages to fully evade the blast an tries to use arrows, that will be easily evaded with byakugan's insight an since he would be very far in the air , Blasted by wall palm or diverted with chakra.

Whats v3's best jump/speed feat without KM an CM powerup?.

He's basically going to use Susano and jump towards Hiashi, uses Amateratsu (Hiashi counters with chakra exertion)>Enton arrow (Hiash counters via Rotation>Susano closes the distance and by then his Susano is likely at the location, to which he proceeds to smash open Hiashi's defences-- Killing him.

Edit: His best speed feat in a non-legged Susano is crossing the cave from next to Itachi to Kabuto nigh instantly [

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in a Susano with Kyuubi cloak (that has no effect on his Susano's stats bar the amount of chakra inside of it, which in this case made it larger rather than thicker. Since his chakra is what constituted the actual Susano's manifestation rather than the Kyuubi's, and his chakra is more potent than the Kyuubi's, the Susano replicates this albeit the Susano is smaller. Or he simply loses much more chakra for exerting too much of his own chakra into it).

 

[neosmith500]

sasuke wins

while hiashi can deal w/ amaterasu/genjutsu/kenjutsu, its the susano'0 that will be used to put hiashi down w/ pressure & ultimately the arrow blitz.

sasuke will reflexively avoid hiashis techs beforehand - rotation will never come into play

The build up for susano will be seen beforehand, how can it pressure hiashi when Vacuum wall sends a swift violent blast of wide spread jyuken chakra into the susano with a violent shockwave blast not to mention byakugan will be used to target weaker areas, an since this is MS Sasuke, the longer the fight drags on he'll surely feel backclash which gives critical openings for WP.

Arrows can be easily diverted with hiashi's reserves/chakra output same as danzo an neji but with a thicker more healthy dose of chakra

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Old man danzo reacted with a tree, a chakra master like hiashi can react with a wide chakra dome+side step.

64 palms=non facter same as susano arrow blitz.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Chuunin exams Sasuke takes this.

you simply can not be serious ?

 

[neosmith500]

He's basically going to use Susano and jump towards Hiashi, uses Amateratsu (Hiashi counters with chakra exertion)>Enton arrow (Hiash counters via Rotation>Susano closes the distance

The moment hiashi see's the build up for susano he uses a WP to quicky blast V3 before it jumps.
-If he's able to jump towards hiashi byakugan notifies him of Ama to which WP will blast the air-born v3.

- If Sasuke gets the chance to fire Ama, chakra exertion will deal with both it+Arrows which will be diverted by chakra, (same as danzo/neji )>side step> WP blastin v3 in the air.

The range of the exertion can expand to fit the scale of the users rotation or to adapt to any situation even exerting to fill the blindspot

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Kakashi after cloak received 3 times the power of his base MS, look at hinata, indra+ashura+fox=>3 times the abilities of standard v2.

Chuunin exams Sasuke takes this.

CE Neji low diff.

 

[Unorthodox]

Yes, he can expel Chakra

I actually kind of like you didnt want you to become a victim of Sir Almighty but the bs your spitting is crazy

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Please show me a scan of Hiashi doing this please ill wait. Everytime Neji has shown to use his technique he's also needed a brief moment of focus or concentration

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Amaterasu roasting him stops this concentration or focus ending the fodder and even if he some how blows amaterasu away he would still take damage did you not see nagato body after he was hit with amaterasu also this tech has shown to leave the body wide open chidori spear GG.

And no, he won't, because he can activate a thin layer of chakra from the very second chakra in the eye is built up [

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]. I never said he'll keep up in foot speed with Sasuke, I said in hand speed and reaction speed, which is 100% warranted to a Byakugan user who can create massive shockwaves with pure hand speed (while adding chakra to make it like a long range gentle fist). Rotation stopped the Juubi hand, so yes, it has more than enough power to simply deflect an arrow/change its trajectory.

If you belive that lin layer of chakra can stop a susanoo arrow get the phuck out but if you we're talking about amaterasu its plausible if he could put that thin layer of chakra up in time trying to counter amaterasu based on eye build up is insanely hard kabuto a sensor dodged it at the last moment and it was even aim to hit him only to stop his path plus in battle amaterasu happens

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. Hiashi never created a shockwave with his hands get out with the fanfic. The bold kills me blowing back Juubi's hand is not an impressive feat whatsoever especially since the juubi body is tangy like gum or

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meaning its fairly light also Kakashi was not even able to move a muscle when a susanoo arrow is firing you think Hiashi will get rotation off in time and even if he could Rotation power was stalemated by red eyed naruto's punch in part one that high dense chakra gets pierced also rotation does not last forever once its droped another pair of susanoo arrow's come tumbling his way.

And then Hiashi does it again? Your point? Not to mention an air wall palm would hinder an arrow spam, so that point is moot. Air Palm<Arrow? WTF? Air Palm pushes the arrow out of the way, as if it wasn't even there. And yes, Hiashi has Twin Lion Fist as stated by the Databook claiming it is passed on from the Main House leader. Guess what Hiashi is? The Main House Leader.. Not a single counter in your argument smh.

Hiashi trying rotation again is funny when Rotation has a limit to when its runs out also if he keeps trying rotation to counter susanoo arrow's sasuke simply fires amaterasu to burn the rotation down then susanoo arrows end him. Air palm is never getting off before an arrow is fired Kakashi with actually speed feats could not move a muscle before being shot down danzo in mid handsigh was killed aswell hiashi thrusting his hole arm is not happening. The Databook argument did this databook say temari could blow the universe away? also its to flawed to be held accountable for anything vs matchup wise we need Feats and manga not this silly databook thing. Or Sasuke could end this fight by summoning his hawk covering it with susanoo and then use Kirin witch ends this.

Chuunin exams Sasuke takes this.

Disagreed

Hebi Sasuke takes this though

 

[Curse Mark]

In theory, couldn't Hiashi use byakugan to see the chakra build up before amaterasu and then use rotation to counter?

 

[neosmith500]

In theory, couldn't Hiashi use byakugan to see the chakra build up before amaterasu and then use rotation to counter?

Yes but there's actually no need for him to rotate since it puts him at risk for a arrow blitz. He can create a chakra shield without rotation which can be expanded to match the scale of kaiten as neji demonstrated.

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Scale that to hiashi's level an Ama is easily avoided while the arrows are diverted exactly how danzo did it usin wood

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The moment hiashi even see's any kind of build up this will follow

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All it takes is a quick palm thrust an BAMM!! If susano is used as a defense then it gets consumed by a blast of jyuken chakra which will should bust the chakra construct+send it flying into next week while sasuke suffers from MS.

 

[Draegod]

In theory, couldn't Hiashi use byakugan to see the chakra build up before amaterasu and then use rotation to counter?

its not theory, its fact and already shown that the byakugan can see all build up before any chakra is used.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Yes, he can expel Chakra [

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]. And no, he won't, because he can activate a thin layer of chakra from the very second chakra in the eye is built up [

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]. I never said he'll keep up in foot speed with Sasuke, I said in hand speed and reaction speed, which is 100% warranted to a Byakugan user who can create massive shockwaves with pure hand speed (while adding chakra to make it like a long range gentle fist). Rotation stopped the Juubi hand, so yes, it has more than enough power to simply deflect an arrow/change its trajectory. And then Hiashi does it again? Your point? Not to mention an air wall palm would hinder an arrow spam, so that point is moot. Air Palm<Arrow? WTF? Air Palm pushes the arrow out of the way, as if it wasn't even there. And yes, Hiashi has Twin Lion Fist as stated by the Databook claiming it is passed on from the Main House leader. Guess what Hiashi is? The Main House Leader.. Not a single counter in your argument smh.

All those scans were feats Neji displayed you get no counter point for that one... Since when did air palm become a massive shockwave? Multiple rotations stopped the Juubi's hand not just one.(

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). Yes he can react which he won't seeing as Kakashi couldn't even move his body fast enough to dodge them so Hiashi using air palm is a stretch... Now were using Databook logic? I quit you win...

 

[neosmith500]

All those scans were feats Neji displayed you get no counter point for that one..Yes he can react which he won't seein as Kakashi couldn't even move his body fast enough to dodge them so Hiashi using air palm is a stretch

Tell me wat feat of jyuken used by neji that the leader of the main family couldn't replicate an out scale?..full body blow? Lol

Anyway why does hiashi have to react by evading the arrow? wats stopping him from blasting sasuke with Wall palm the moment he see's chakra activity or when susano comes up? Does MS susano instantly spawn with his bow pulled back an ready to fire?.

I already explained how hiashi could change the trajectory similarly to neji/danzo

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Kakashi activated MS an used kamui defensively since he lacked a good offence for susano, Put hiashi in his place an susano gets wall palmed before he could even properly form v4 much less havn to react defensively which he can

 

[Apêx1]

All those scans were feats Neji displayed you get no counter point for that one... Since when did air palm become a massive shockwave? Multiple rotations stopped the Juubi's hand not just one.(

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). Yes he can react which he won't seeing as Kakashi couldn't even move his body fast enough to dodge them so Hiashi using air palm is a stretch... Now were using Databook logic? I quit you win...

Grasping at straws because you can never accept a concession. Stubborn as usual I see.

You can't be serious when you tell me Hiashi cannot exert chakra from his body when part 1 Neji did it was utmost ease.. And again, thin layer of chakra was done by part 1, unless part 1 Neji>Hoashi in terms of skills, then there's 0 going for you there. That was Hiashi's rotation, :so there's nothing there. Hiashi can see 100's of kilometers away as shown when he saw a distant village explode. Saying his Byakugan cannot see chakra build up is not applicable.

DB states that air palm is a shockwave created. The user ONLY puts the chakra of a gentle fist on his hand, and throws a quick hand
thrust. The resulting shockwave is thus based on the hand speed, not the amount of chakra. Db4 clearly says it's a shockwave with two people, but given Hiashi's skill, he can do it alone with both hands;

Two people simultaneously release the vacuum shock wave of "Hakke Kuushou." Normally, this is done with one hand, but Hiashi released it with both arms to deflect an attack from the Juubi.

Multiple rotations being two, meaning half the size of the Juubi hand and one rotation deflects it. Unless arrow>half of the hand of the Juubi, the arrow is getting its trajectory changed, or simply blocked.

And Lol, Kakashi did not know of the arrow, and hr was already on the floor. Hiashi will be standing ready, and the second the arrow begins to go backwards in order to be prepped for release, Hiashi spins. So that isn't working either. What? Since when is DB's attribution unascertainable? If it says the main house leader can do a specific technique, then he clearly can. Didn't know you were here didproving Kishi's specific statements lmao. So yes, I win because your logic is absolutely flawed.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Hyuuga is underrated. Let alone Hiashi Hyuuga the Hyuuga Head.
EMS sasuke had difficulty against Killer Bee.
We are talking about MS Sasuke here vs An established Hyuuga Powerhouse.

Hiashi wins, with more battle experience.

 

[Haizaki]

NVM, I think I was overrating Sasuke's immediate use of the arrow after Amaterasu. If Wall Palm can really destroy Susanoo which I sorta doubt, then I guess Sasuke would lose high diff.

 

[Haizaki]

Apex I'm pretty sure he can use Amaterasu while in Susanoo. He did it against Danzo.