[VS] Hiashi Hyūga (Apêx) vs Sandaime Raikage (IKratos)

[Lord Tywin]

Forget this debate guys new thing is here and it's, Za Warudo!!!!!!

Toki wo tomare!! Muda muda muda muda mudaaa!!!!

stfu weeaboo

 

[Apêx1]

Yea, pretty sure KG judging it would be fine with everyone. Not like the rules even matter at this point, lol.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ok, then expect my judgement up before the weekend ends.

 

[Zexion~]

KG needs to pick a matchup with me though.

 

[Rιver]

stfu weeaboo

>wears Japanese anime avatar
>debates anime fiction
>in anime forum
>calls someone weeb

We have a hypocrite over here.

 

[Lord Tywin]

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Read the definition of it. I think your sense of trying to be a Japanese is giving you trouble in comprehending English.

 

[EZQ]

What a short debate.

Judging it should be beatiful, you can step on every argument since your veredict would be short anyways.

Damn you Apex and Kratos, both times i judged for you you made such walls...

 

[Worm]

Forget this debate guys new thing is here and it's, Za Warudo!!!!!!

Toki wo tomare!! Muda muda muda muda mudaaa!!!!

Dio is a feg tho.

 

[Rιver]

Dio is a feg tho.

N, you just have bad taste.

 

[KidGamer65]

KG needs to pick a matchup with me though.

I'll get back to you on Sunday. Haven't had a lot of time to think about match ups. Requires a lot more effort from me than you'd think. :lol

 

[EZQ]

I'll get back to you on Sunday. Haven't had a lot of time to think about match ups. Requires a lot more effort from me than you'd think. :lol

Tobirama vs Danzo would be sick

edit: No it wouldn't.

Jiraiya vs Kakuzu would be good

 

[Icelerate]

You sound so salty my child! You must feel some type of way from getting owned by a hyuga huh? To think Hyuga's are even close to being overrated compared to others shows your bitterness. lmao

You sound more salty than him.

 

[KidGamer65]

Might be a bit sloppy, but this is only my second time judging. So bear with me.

Spoiler

Overall, when it came down to the most important parts of the battle, Apex had the clear advantage. He had evidence that Raikage couldn't just outright blitz Hiashi, despite a large part of it being flawed. Kratos had no real evidence for why he believed Raikage would blitz Hiashi with no reaction. They both agreed when it came to Gentle Fists' effectiveness against the 3rd.he opposition gets beaten in CQC, Apex had the edge mainly due to the shortcomings of his opponent.

Apex's strategy can only begin to work if Vacuum Palm is really completely invisible, but it's not completely invisible as shown when Hiashi uses it, when Hinata uses it, and when Kaguya uses a similar technique. Though regardless of that, Kratos' counters weren't very strong, mainly because he pretty much agreed that Air Palm is invisible, and relied on the Raikage aimlessly running around to find Hiashi, and the black lightning argument, which doesn't help him dodge the attack as it won't tell him how large it is, even it were invisible. Even if it were, the black lightning strategy can only work if he knows what he's supposed to be countering. And when Apex brought up his Shunshin speed being irrelevant in close quarters, Kratos' only counter was "Hiashi isn't fast enough to touch him in CQC" with no evidence behind that.

Smh. And not to mention Apex addressed the black lightning scenario. You said that it might not overpower it, and provided no evidence once again. Though I'm sure a shockwave with the power to blowback something as large as a Bijuu handily counters black lightning of all things.

And when it came to finishing off the opposition, Apex's argument was better for the simple fact that Kratos gave no finish strategy for the Raikage and failed to provide evidence for points that are crucial to his argument. The bulk of his main argument was that Raikage was too fast for him to react, and since he couldn't prove that right, his argument fails as a whole. While Apex's strategy can't happen, he still managed to explain why Hiashi can react, why he won't get obliterated in CQC and why Raikage can't just outright tank his attacks. Kratos failed to prove that Raikage can blitz or that Raikage is way too fast for him in CQC.



My vote goes to Apex. Supported his vital points with evidence while Kratos' vital points had no or little evidence supporting them.

And I only addressed the points that mattered in the actual argument in the post.

 

[Apêx1]

Thanks for the vote KG. Although I disagree on Air Palm being visible. The only thing we have ever seen of it is the impact [

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], we don't actually see any air palm, ever. This is the case with Kisame who's hit by it, and is still being pushed back at it [

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], yet nothing is visible. Kaguya's jutsu was visible, but then again Kaguya's technique is different and her chakra has probably taken on a stronger colour due to its greater potency. Not to mention Kaguya sends out pure chakra while the air palm is compressed air.

 

[KidGamer65]

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This more like the shockwave/air itself than the impact if you ask me. Even when Hiashi used it, you could see the same thing whereas when Neji used it back in the beginning of Part 1, it was invisible even when it hit the target.

 

[Apêx1]

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This more like the shockwave/air itself than the impact if you ask me. Even when Hiashi used it, you could see the same thing whereas when Neji used it back in the beginning of Part 1, it was invisible even when it hit the target.

I disagree, the impact is similar to when they used Kaiten [

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]. And even if it was somehow visible, the one used on Kisame wasn't so my point would stand, no?

 

[KidGamer65]

I disagree, the impact is similar to when they used Kaiten [

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]. And even if it was somehow visible, the one used on Kisame wasn't so my point would stand, no?

Hmm, it seems that you are correct. So your point would stand, making this an even bigger stomp in your favor.

 

[EZQ]

Damn Kratos. I hate to say this but you totally sucked here. How could you lose this?

You shouldn't have used so many assumptions. V1 Ay is faster than the 3rd by feats. They having the same shroud isn't proof of anything.