Hell Stab VS. Susanoo

[LuckyMan]

The Third Raikage's Hell Stab was called the strongest sword. But I've been thinking, what can it destroy exactly? How strong is it? I want opinions on what people think of this technique and how it fairs versus Susanoo.

For those of you who don't know,

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is the technique I'm talking about.

After his 4 Finger Hell Stab had already destroy an earth wall made by dozens of shinobi, all that was left was the

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from Dodai to get through. 4 Finger Hell Stab was not strong enough so he switched to

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and easily broke through.

Now Madara's double meteorite still

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Dodai's Rubber Ball. However, no matter how malleable a substance is, if enough force is applied to it, it will certainly give and rip apart. Those huge meteorites should have did the trick yet they didn't and the

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Finger Hell Stab did so

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.

He fought Gyuki until they both collapsed from exhaustion meaning his chakra levels are at least equal to Gyuki. That is a huge amount of power, unimaginable for a regular human to have.

What makes the Hell Stab so different than the Lightning Blade or Chidori is that hes just not adding a bit his chakra to his hand, hes putting

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of his power and condensing it into a single sharp point. Now imagine all that power he has, all in the form of a thin small blade, extending from the tip of his finger.

With that power, he

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, meaning in just 1 swing of that, even though its no more than a few inches wide and about 12 inches long, severed all his tails off together. The Juubi LaserDama only had enough power to sever

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of Yang Kurama's tails and 1 of Gyuki's (before Kakashi warped it).

So now going by this, Hell Stab arguably has more power to pierce and destroy than the Juubi LaserDama and Madara's meteorites. Of course both those attacks would cause much more destruction because they are of a large scale but the Hell Stab is more potently powerful than both. Its lighter and all power in a single point, not power that explodes in a AoE effect.

Madara claims his PS rivals the power of Bijuu. However, we know Third Raikages own power does in fact rival the power of Bijuu as well. Madara PS blows up mountains. Bijuu's blow up mountains. They must be equal, like he said. Third Raikage cuts down Bijuu's to nothing though. So can Hell Stab slice through Susanoo? I'm not just talking about Madara's but all versions of it including Itachi and Sasuke's.

 

[ARGUS]

the fact that even FRS couldnt scratch his RNY, whilst the hell stab overcame it, is why HFN (hell fingered nukite) is indeed capable of destroying certain variants of susanoo,

4-fingered nukite - Ribcage susanoo at best,
3-fingered nukite - can destroy Ribcage susanoo and possibly scratch V2
2-fingered nukite - can destroy V2 susanoo,
1-fingered nukite - can destroy V3 legless susanoo as well as possibly V4 legless

 

[KidGamer65]

One Fingered Nukite runs through V3 Susanoo and below, V4 takes damage.

 

[DMT]

hell stab > FTG in the manga , also it was stated hell stap can cut all hachibi's tails

1-Fingered nukite destroys v2, v3, v4 and possibly PS

 

[Bronze]

Most of your examples are based on destructive attacks. They have different functioning than piercing attacks. As for your Hachibi's tails example, even shuriken's were able to cut them, so it's barely a legit feat. The only version is piercing through is ribcage. It doesn't pass any higher version. Simple as that.​

 

[Gold Lightning]

It's the Strongest Spear, not the 'strongest sword'.

I personally think his 1 finger hell stab could at least crack PS.

 

[ARGUS]

as strong as the one fingered nukite really, is
its not even putting a dent on PS, thats absurd,
PS can tank much more than it can withstand and a PS slash has a DC much higher than the 1-fingered nukite

 

[LuckyMan]

Most of your examples are based on destructive attacks. They have different functioning than piercing attacks. As for your Hachibi's tails example, even kunai's were able to cut them, so it's barely a legit feat. The only version is cutting through is ribcage. It doesn't pass any higher version. Simple as that.​

Minato cut a small miniature tail of Gyuki with his kunai. It was nothing compared to one of Full Gyuki's tentacles. Ribcage? Really? Thats interesting. Madara's

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was completely destroyed by his own meteorite attack along with his body. His meteors couldn't break the rubber ball but 3 Finger Hell Stab did. You're right destructive and piercing attacks work differently however it still means that if Madara activated Susanoo when Third Raikage coming at him with 1 finger stab it won't completely obliterate his Susanoo (because its not a destructive attack like meteors) but it would still slice cleanly through whatever area he slashes/pierces (which would be where Madara, Itachi, Sasuke is) and certainly kill them if they underestimate that attack.

Gyuki tails tanked the Jubi laserdama for a few seconds before Kakashi warped it and Kurama lost 6 of its tails. Do you think any rib-cage Susanoo can tank Juubi LaserDama as well?

 

[Demonic.]

Even Danzo's Futon Made a hole in Sasuke's Susano. The strongest spear would break Susano.

 

[Bronze]

Minato cut a small miniature tail of Gyuki with his kunai. It was nothing compared to one of Full Gyuki's tentacles. Ribcage? Really? Thats interesting. Madara's

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was completely destroyed by his own meteorite attack along with his body. His meteors couldn't break the rubber ball but 3 Finger Hell Stab did. You're right destructive and piercing attacks work differently however it still means that if Madara activated Susanoo when Third Raikage coming at him with 1 finger stab it won't completely obliterate his Susanoo (because its not a destructive attack like meteors) but it would still slice cleanly through whatever area he slashes/pierces (which would be where Madara, Itachi, Sasuke is) and certainly kill them if they underestimate that attack.

Gyuki tails tanked the Jubi laserdama for a few seconds before Kakashi warped it and Kurama lost 6 of its tails. Do you think any rib-cage Susanoo can tank Juubi LaserDama as well?

By your logic, you're saying that Onoki, the old, small man has better durability than Susanoo because he survived the meteor directly? And to add one, the rubber ball is composed of Doton and Katon. Since Raikage uses Raiton, he had an elemental advantage over the Jutsu, and that is how he pierced it.​

 

[ultraChalk]

He can't break Susanoo with 1 HS, but with a couple, probably around 6 he can.

 

[lanakui8]

I look at it like this. Danzou's fuuton penetrated all the layers of sasuke's V3 susanoo. FRS is on another level of power than that attack, however one could argue mechanics of FRS exploding wouldn't necessarily make it more penetrative than danzou's fuuton. So giving that the benefit of the doubt, lets say FRS is just as penetrative as danzou's fuuton.

1 finger nukite easily went through Sandaime raikage and his RnY. FRS, despite having the wind element, went through his RnY but only left the raikage's body surface scratches. That puts 1 finger nukite AT LEAST on a whole nother level of penetrating power than danzou's fuuton which can penetrate the layers of a V3.

So my estimate would probably be penetrating a V4 susanoo

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to the point where Sandaime could break through all the layers and expose the person inside that susanoo.

Now obviously due to the AoE of his nukite, it's doubtful that he'd be able to destroy susanoo in a single charge, he'd probably have to hit it multiple times in order to destroy enough of it that the construct can't be maintained.

 

[Gagster]

You can't compare the 8 tails to Half BM Kurama.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Your logic hurts my brain so much. Brute force and piercing force are so different in terms of what it can go through. Sasuke regular sword pierced Juubi Jin Madara while EE couldn't so that means it stronger?

It's not getting past this level of

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[LuckyMan]

By your logic, you're saying that Onoki, the old, small man has better durability than Susanoo because he survived the meteor directly? And to add one, the rubber ball is composed of Doton and Katon. Since Raikage uses Raiton, he had an elemental advantage over the Jutsu, and that is how he pierced it.​

Oh thats good, your the first person who used what I explained in my thesis I did a little ways back about KKG and how they can be countered with basic elements. Okay, that is a possibility! Onoki didn't tank the meteor directly because he would have been under the huge stone that was left their in the ground. The damage he took was the blunt force of when the second meteor rammed on the first that he was holding on his head and from there it is unclear where he went. He could been knocked cold from the impact right on his head then just fell down being hit by debris, but he didn't tank it.

 

[Demonic.]

Your logic hurts my brain so much. Brute force and piercing force are so different in terms of what it can go through. Sasuke regular sword pierced Juubi Jin Madara while EE couldn't so that means it stronger?

It's not getting past this level of

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Weren't you the one that said to end Planetary Devastation all Itachi needed to do was pierce the orb in the center?

 

[Bronze]

Oh thats good, your the first person who used what I explained in my thesis I did a little ways back about KKG and how they can be countered with basic elements. Okay, that is a possibility! Onoki didn't tank the meteor directly because he would have been under the huge stone that was left their in the ground. The damage he took was the blunt force of when the second meteor rammed on the first that he was holding on his head and from there it is unclear where he went. He could been knocked cold from the impact right on his head then just fell down being hit by debris, but he didn't tank it.

It is based on lava release = earth and fire. [

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] I didn't say he tanked it. I said he survived it. And the whole point of it, is just to show the inconsistencies occurs in the manga; and prime example is that one.​

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Hirudora destroyed madaras v3 susanoo or was it v2? Whatever I don't know but in my opinion hell stab rips through any Susanno except perfect susanoo

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I look at it like this. Danzou's fuuton penetrated all the layers of danzou's V3 susanoo. FRS is on another level of power than that attack, however one could argue mechanics of FRS exploding wouldn't necessarily make it more penetrative than danzou's fuuton. So giving that the benefit of the doubt, lets say FRS is just as penetrative as danzou's fuuton.

1 finger nukite easily went through Sandaime raikage and his RnY. FRS, despite having the wind element, went through his RnY but only left the raikage's body surface scratches. That puts 1 finger nukite AT LEAST on a whole nother level of penetrating power than danzou's fuuton which can penetrate the layers of a V3.

So my estimate would probably be penetrating a V4 susanoo

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to the point where Sandaime could break through all the layers and expose the person inside that susanoo.

Now obviously due to the AoE of his nukite, it's doubtful that he'd be able to destroy susanoo in a single charge, he'd probably have to hit it multiple times in order to destroy enough of it that the construct can't be maintained.

lanakui8 explained it the best

 

[TRE MERCER]

Weren't you the one that said to end Planetary Devastation all Itachi needed to do was pierce the orb in the center?

Yes i did and it's true i proved you wrong on that thread.