Hell Stab vs. Chidori

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: Re : Hell stab vs Chidori

If it wasn't necessary then that FRS would have ended him even with the elemental advantage and destructive power it had. But it didn't and only hitting that scar beat him.

It was the weakest point on his body. Kinda like a soft spot or w/e.

Imma try explain this as simply as possible.
Hell stab is what put the scar there in the first place, so even b4 he got the scar (which is what you're claiming to be his weakness) Hell stab was superior to his lightning armor. No matter where hell stab hit (arm neck chest whatever) its penetrating that spot. The reason naruto asked had nothing to do with the location itself or the scar itself. He asked because someone who is hyped as having the strongest shield shouldn't have scars.

So how did the scar get there?
That's why he went to bee and thats how he found out that he'll stab is superior to lightning armour.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I don't agree with hell stab> chidori

Chidori even without the meteor busting feat wrecks.

You forget he can mix enton with it

His susano can use chidori which is even more powerful than the handheld version.

Also he bisected Godara with it or was that with a sword if its the former then that feat alone shits on hell stab hype.

Take into account hell stab feats aren't that great the best feat it has is injuring the raikage himself but even then the feat is only great because of his hyped durability that no shinobi that has faced him can back up those claims.

Chidori has more feats and better feats.

You're comparing one persons feats with anothers. Chidori is weaker than Raikiri just because Sasuke can do more damage with a chidori than Kakashi can with a raikiri doesn't change teh fact that raikiri is an upgraded chidori. If Sasuke were able to use both techniques then Hell Stab would be his stronger technique.

 

[shelke]

Which Sasuke are we talking about here, since this base cannot seem to stomach Rinnegan Sasuke? If it is Rinnegan Sasuke then Hell Stab is pedestrian by comparison.

If it is before that than Sasuke's would be mighty close because of the 'finger focus point' logic established by the Manga. Hell stab is also Chidori, only reduced to one finger. Sasuke has shown to adjust his hand to three and two fingers. So yeah, pretty close.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Which Sasuke are we talking about here, since this base cannot seem to stomach Rinnegan Sasuke? If it is Rinnegan Sasuke then Hell Stab is pedestrian by comparison.

If it is before that than Sasuke's would be mighty close because of the 'finger focus point' logic established by the Manga. Hell stab is also Chidori, only reduced to one finger. Sasuke has shown to adjust his hand to three and two fingers. So yeah, pretty close.

It's still not, the only thing you're judging is the person using the technique. Chidori is a weaker version of Raikiri so no matter what Sasuke can do with Chidori Raikiri is still>Chidori. Hell Stab>Raikiri. Hell Stab>Chidori. I can't believe I keep needing to clarify this, if both moves were done by the same person which would cause more damage? Answer, Hell Stab. If Rinnegan Sasuke used chidori it would be weaker than if Rinnegan Sasuke used Hell Stab there's not even a debate to be had here.

 

[shelke]

It's still not, the only thing you're judging is the person using the technique. Chidori is a weaker version of Raikiri so no matter what Sasuke can do with Chidori Raikiri is still>Chidori. Hell Stab>Raikiri. Hell Stab>Chidori. I can't believe I keep needing to clarify this, if both moves were done by the same person which would cause more damage? Answer, Hell Stab. If Rinnegan Sasuke used chidori it would be weaker than if Rinnegan Sasuke used Hell Stab there's not even a debate to be had here.

What? Read the post properly. Raikiri > Chidori? When the latter has far better feats?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What? Read the post properly. Raikiri > Chidori? When the latter has far better feats?

He's saying compare the techs. Not the users. su

 

[LuckyMan]

What? Read the post properly. Raikiri > Chidori? When the latter has far better feats?

Not really. Non Ridoku chidori has done nothing the Raikiri can't do. All of the Chidori variants are weaker than the actual thing so I hope your not basing its feats being stronger off its versatility.

 

[shelke]

Not really. Non Ridoku chidori has done nothing the Raikiri can't do. All of the Chidori variants are weaker than the actual thing so I hope your not basing its feats being stronger off its versatility.

Read the original post. The first one in the thread. It has better feats. Especially the cleaving of full BM transformation tentacle. Piercing through Ae's shroud. Ae was surprised.

 

[LuckyMan]

Read the original post. The first one in the thread. It has better feats. Especially the full BM transformation cutting tentacle cleaving. Piercing through Ae's shroud. Ae was surprised.

The OP is comparing Hell Stab to Chidori. I'm talking about Raikiri and Chidori. Raikiri is a stronger and more refined version of the Chidori.

Feats don't matter in this particular case because we know both techniques do the same thing except one is a refined version and requires much better chakra control.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Read the original post. The first one in the thread. It has better feats. Especially the full BM transformation cutting tentacle cleaving. Piercing through Ae's shroud. Ae was surprised.

That's not the technique you thick lout, that's the user. The manga and the in comic creator(Kakashi, since I expect you won't understand my phrasing) of the techniques has said Raikiri>Chidori. Chidori is a weaker technique wielded by a god. A broom wielded by Guan Yu is deadlier than any sword wielded by a farmer, do you understand?

 

[shelke]

The OP is comparing Hell Stab to Chidori. I'm talking about Raikiri and Chidori. Raikiri is a stronger and more refined version of the Chidori.

Feats don't matter in this particular case because we know both techniques do the same thing except one is a refined version and requires much better chakra control.

I did as well. Reread the original post I made. Raikiri has nothing going for it to define it as a more powerful technique.

That's not the technique you thick lout, that's the user. The manga and the in comic creator(Kakashi, since I expect you won't understand my phrasing) of the techniques has said Raikiri>Chidori. Chidori is a weaker technique wielded by a god. A broom wielded by Guan Yu is deadlier than any sword wielded by a farmer, do you understand?

Not sure why you are up in arms about a simple term: feats. Don't give a damn what the databook states. Kindly bring out the feats that put Raikiri above Chidori, not when Sasuke can increase and decrease its power. Kakashi doesn't have that luxury. So ironic, your first line, ain't it?

 

[LuckyMan]

I did as well. Reread the original post I made. Raikiri has nothing going for it to define it as a more powerful technique.

So Kakashi stating Raikiri > Chidori doesn't make it stronger? The man who invented both techniques....... :|

 

[chopstickchakra]

I did as well. Reread the original post I made. Raikiri has nothing going for it to define it as a more powerful technique.



Not sure why you are up in arms about a simple term: feats. Don't give a damn what the databook states. Kindly bring out the feats that put Raikiri above Chidori, not when Sasuke can increase and decrease its power. Kakashi doesn't have that luxury. So ironic, your first line, ain't it?

Do you know the meaning and use of irony? We're supposed to be judging which technique is stronger not what user is stronger. Also it's not databook, THE MANGA said Raikiri is a stronger version of chidori.

" Raikiri has nothing going for it to define it as a more powerful technique. "

The manga literally said it was what are you on about?

 

[shelke]

So Kakashi stating Raikiri > Chidori doesn't make it stronger? The man who invented both techniques....... :|

Kakashi's technique is called Raikiri. It's also Chidori. Where did you get the idea that they are separate techniques?

Do you know the meaning and use of irony? We're supposed to be judging which technique is stronger not what user is stronger. Also it's not databook, THE MANGA said Raikiri is a stronger version of chidori.

" Raikiri has nothing going for it to define it as a more powerful technique. "

The manga literally said it was what are you on about?

Oh yeah, I do. Throw most Figure of Speech there and then ask me. Don't butt your heads with me on this.

I am not sure which part of my original post went over your head: Chidori and Hell Stab are the same thing. Use a single finger as a point of Focus and it becomes Hell stab - as Third used it. Use any more and it becomes Chidori. Its power can be increased and decreased as the manga mentions it through Kakashi. It goes with the technique. The technique has that potential.

Kakashi doesn't have the skill to manipulate that natural potential. Sasuke does. What am I missing here?

 

[LuckyMan]

Kakashi's technique is called Raikiri. It's also Chidori. Where did you get the idea that they are separate techniques?

The manga classified them as separate techniques. If you think Raikiri having its own name, rank, and different set of seals to use doesn't make it a different technique from Chidori then you're a retard.

 

[shelke]

The manga classified them as separate techniques. If you think Raikiri having its own name, rank, and different set of seals to use doesn't make it a different technique from Chidori then you're a retard.

It really didn't:

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- It's just a nick-name given to it based on a story that Kakashi cut a Lightening Bolt. Hence the nick name Lightening Cutter or Raikiri.

Kishimoto probably wanted to make both users distinct. That is all.