Hell doesn't exist - Unbiased, non-religous

[MangaArtist007]

Those who are pro, "oh god doesn't exist because I can't prove it", a little story from communist Russia

Teacher: children I can prove G-d doesn't exist. Can you see the table, yes, can you see the floor, yes, can you see the ceiling, yes, can you see god, no!
Student: Ok then. Can you see the table, yes, can you see the floor, yes, can you see the ceiling, yes, can you see the teacher's brain, no!

No insults intended. All that aside, some people do simply believe, some people realize through science, history, or philosophy.
And different holy books say different things. The bible has a heaven, but not a hell.

 

[LustyLover]

Those who are pro, "oh god doesn't exist because I can't prove it", a little story from communist Russia

Teacher: children I can prove G-d doesn't exist. Can you see the table, yes, can you see the floor, yes, can you see the ceiling, yes, can you see god, no!
Student: Ok then. Can you see the table, yes, can you see the floor, yes, can you see the ceiling, yes, can you see the teacher's brain, no!

No insults intended. All that aside, some people do simply believe, some people realize through science, history, or philosophy.
And different holy books say different things. The bible has a heaven, but not a hell.

Agreed. Based off this mindblowingingly intelligent reasoning, the easter bunny, santa claus and the flying spaghetti monster are all real. I suddenly feel so enlightened.

 

[Desanto]

Thank you guys for being respectful on my thread!

 

[MangaArtist007]

Agreed. Based off this mindblowingingly intelligent reasoning, the easter bunny, santa claus and the flying spaghetti monster are all real. I suddenly feel so enlightened.

You make fun but a comment like the one the student make could have gotten you killed in communist Russia. Don't mock other's belief in god.

 

[KingHashirama]

I COMPLETELY agree with you. If believing in a Hell is going to benefit you and the world then so be it HOWEVER, many MANY people turn there backs on God because of that belief. Many pastors are fooling people, shoot, I've even mislead quite a few people over mistranslated text. It's sad.

Christianity and Islam are arguably the biggest terrorist groups to exist in the past 1000 years.

^^^ By this i'm not calling the majority of muslims and christians terrorists or anything. But talking about the actions done by the few in those religion who were said to "represent" them.


- The mass genocides for crusficiation
- the Crusades
- the corruption of the churches
- the forcing of people to convert


And now Islam is going that route.

 

[IzunaUchiha]

Well I don't know if there is one. However I can't imagine how there could be one. I have no physical evidence of one nor have I seen one. Then again I have never seen micro particles however i know there is physical proof and data to measure it. So does it exist? honestly I think not but its not on the top of my list of things to disprove.

 

[Nagi]

I'd just like to remind people that the bible clearly states that there is no suffering when you die. You're just dead and there is no punishment after death.

There is no mention of "hell" or a place of infinite suffering in the hebrew version or old testament.

People mistranslated the word "sheol" to stand for hell, but we now know "sheol" simply stands for grave. The bible talks about Jesus going to Sheol for 3 days. Why would God send Jesus to Hell for 3 days? No, it simply means he was dead (in the grave) for 3 days until his Resurrection.

A loving, wise, just God could not create an "eternal hell" and fail to immediately warn the whole world about it.

Also as far as Satan goes, an Almighty powerful god wouldn't even need to resort to a fiery pit to make satan suffer in. He would just simply "NOT BE" anymore.

The word "hell" was just created to control the masses. Religious people only admire "god" or jesus to be "saved" from "hell" when in reality,God just wants everyone to love one another and have a mutual relationship of peace with his people.

Extra fact: There is no rapture, the bible doesn't talk about it. There will be a 2nd coming, but that is not even remotely close to being the rapture.

I am not religious, but do study up on both the bible and real hard facts such as science. However, I feel my soul everyday and my heart feels love and I've came to the conclusion that we simply do not know what's out there. We are special creatures (every type organism is) and what I can say is... Love your fellow man and woman, whatever color, whatever shape, whatever sexual orientation...love is all that matters whether there is a God, or not


Thanks for reading

Edit - For my religious people, STEM is good. There is no losing in educating yourself.

Lovely words.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Christianity and Islam are arguably the biggest terrorist groups to exist in the past 1000 years.

^^^ By this i'm not calling the majority of muslims and christians terrorists or anything. But talking about the actions done by the few in those religion who were said to "represent" them.


- The mass genocides for crusficiation
- the Crusades
- the corruption of the churches
- the forcing of people to convert


And now Islam is going that route.

Islam isn't going that route. People have been f*cked over so many times by the government and other governments claiming to help that they turn to violence and use religion to justify it.

The literal definition of jihad means struggle, spiritually, physically, or even mentally. Jihad only supports violence when it comes to defending one from others who choose violence to attack your family, nation, and religion.

 

[KingHashirama]

Islam isn't going that route. People have been f*cked over so many times by the government and other governments claiming to help that they turn to violence and use religion to justify it.

The literal definition of jihad means struggle, spiritually, physically, or even mentally. Jihad only supports violence when it comes to defending one from others who choose violence to attack your family, nation, and religion.

@bold, elaborate.

And it pretty much is.

- inside religion killings.

- Taliban terrorizing

And in the 1600s the forceful conversion of people into islam and so on.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

@bold, elaborate.

And it pretty much is.

- inside religion killings.

- Taliban terrorizing

And in the 1600s the forceful conversion of people into islam and so on.

I'm talking about the citizens of Iraq and Syria. Iraq being screwed over in every way by both their own government and then even more so by the United States. Their reactions although wrong are expected.

In Syria, America and other countries trying to overthrow the Assad government by aiding rebels, country becomes f*cked up by both sides. People turn to Islam, those same rebels that the United States aided and supported in the media became what is now known as ISIS and many people predicted that it would happen. Even the whole Arab springs movement that was so supported in American media made the whole situation worse.

All these people see is their country f*cked up and then much worse after western countries join and they believe it's a causation by western society even when it might not be. And then radicalized people take advantage of them only to make the situation worse.

Or how about Iran's leader assassinated decades ago for oil by western countries only to be replaced by a British raised leader that destroys their country economically? What happens next is the citizens get violent and turn to Islam and violence to overthrow him, and obviously since they used violence their country is still f*cked up.

Sure it's the Muslim world at fault, but others hands are not clean like they pretend to be.

 

[KingHashirama]

I'm talking about the citizens of Iraq and Syria. Iraq being screwed over in every way by both their own government and then even more so by the United States. Their reactions although wrong are expected.

In Syria, America and other countries trying to overthrow the Assad government by aiding rebels, country becomes f*cked up by both sides. People turn to Islam, those same rebels that the United States aided and supported in the media became what is now known as ISIS and many people predicted that it would happen. Even the whole Arab springs movement that was so supported in American media made the whole situation worse.

All these people see is their country f*cked up and then much worse after western countries join and they believe it's a causation by western society even when it might not be. And then radicalized people take advantage of them only to make the situation worse.

Or how about Iran's leader assassinated decades ago for oil by western countries only to be replaced by a British raised leader that destroys their country economically? What happens next is the citizens get violent and turn to Islam and violence to overthrow him, and obviously since they used violence their country is still f*cked up.

Sure it's the Muslim world at fault, but others hands are not clean like they pretend to be.

I agree, so its pretty much what i said, its the "leaders" who are end up "representing" the religions , not the majority.
Its the same for any group or religion. The majority are usually sheeps, while the "leaders" are the shepherds. But their own corrupt governments are also "islamic".

Though what you stated is simply the mainstream issues of the islamic world. The internal conflict between the islamic groups, and groups even going so far to kill each other.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I'd just like to remind people that the bible clearly states that there is no suffering when you die. You're just dead and there is no punishment after death.

Not being able to co exist with God is like punishment.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life".

Its as simple as that. Would you rather perish or live eternally?

There is no mention of "hell" or a place of infinite suffering in the hebrew version or old testament.

Hell and Sheol are two different words in the bible. Though you are correct on the statement, you aren't correct that hell and sheol are "mistranslation" of the same word.

People mistranslated the word "sheol" to stand for hell, but we now know "sheol" simply stands for grave. The bible talks about Jesus going to Sheol for 3 days. Why would God send Jesus to Hell for 3 days? No, it simply means he was dead (in the grave) for 3 days until his Resurrection.

Just like above.

Sheol (Hebrew) is used as "Hades" (Greek). When New Testment mentions "Sheol" the new translation (from hebrew to greek) is Hades.

Hell(Greek) is used from the Old Testement word: Gehenna (Hebrew).

This is where you and even many Christian get wrong (since most dont bother studying themselves).

Look up the basic concept of Hell/Gehenna:

You must be registered for see links

.

Gehenna, in short, is known for a place to throw away enemies and criminals. Using fire to cremate and destroy.

So be careful of getting these words mixed up.

A loving, wise, just God could not create an "eternal hell" and fail to immediately warn the whole world about it.

Though I dont believe its eternal "suffering" (its more like you dont exist anymore) why would you said he isn't warning the world? You wouldnt have this kind of knowledge if its being spread.

Being Just doesnt separate his Loving nature either. Especially if he is both by definition.

No human being is naturally concerned about God, because of sin. The bible and us humans paint that picture clearly.

Also as far as Satan goes, an Almighty powerful god wouldn't even need to resort to a fiery pit to make satan suffer in. He would just simply "NOT BE" anymore.

True.

The word "hell" was just created to control the masses. Religious people only admire "god" or jesus to be "saved" from "hell" when in reality,God just wants everyone to love one another and have a mutual relationship of peace with his people.

Wrong @ bold. Even if thats true, its clearly a failure. God also wants us to accept Jesus so we can co exist with Him.

"Hell" exist because God exists:

If you understand God's nature then you would understand the basics. Anything that contradicts God's nature cannot co-exist with the nature. Its like trying to mix water and oil.

Both exist and both cant mix.

Thats the same to us. God is the definition of perfect, good, etc. Anything the opposite of that cannot simply co-exist.

1.Were evil in God's eye.
2.We cannot co exist with Him.

So we move outside of His Nature/Presence.

That doesnt mean eternal suffering. "Hell" is just a human term description (that even Jesus used) to describe that anyone who doesn't want to accept him can simply just be "removed" from existence. "Fire" is just a terminology for someone back in the day, and even now, used because we understand what fire can do to people and materials.

Extra fact: There is no rapture, the bible doesn't talk about it. There will be a 2nd coming, but that is not even remotely close to being the rapture.

True. Sadly this is a popular belief and barley people standing up to study and interpret bible passages correctly.

But saying Hell doesn't exist, is incorrect. It needs to exist if God says who he says he is.

 

[Yubel]

I'd just like to remind people that the bible clearly states that there is no suffering when you die. You're just dead and there is no punishment after death.

There is no mention of "hell" or a place of infinite suffering in the hebrew version or old testament.

People mistranslated the word "sheol" to stand for hell, but we now know "sheol" simply stands for grave. The bible talks about Jesus going to Sheol for 3 days. Why would God send Jesus to Hell for 3 days? No, it simply means he was dead (in the grave) for 3 days until his Resurrection.

A loving, wise, just God could not create an "eternal hell" and fail to immediately warn the whole world about it.

Also as far as Satan goes, an Almighty powerful god wouldn't even need to resort to a fiery pit to make satan suffer in. He would just simply "NOT BE" anymore.

The word "hell" was just created to control the masses. Religious people only admire "god" or jesus to be "saved" from "hell" when in reality,God just wants everyone to love one another and have a mutual relationship of peace with his people.

Extra fact: There is no rapture, the bible doesn't talk about it. There will be a 2nd coming, but that is not even remotely close to being the rapture.

I am not religious, but do study up on both the bible and real hard facts such as science. However, I feel my soul everyday and my heart feels love and I've came to the conclusion that we simply do not know what's out there. We are special creatures (every type organism is) and what I can say is... Love your fellow man and woman, whatever color, whatever shape, whatever sexual orientation...love is all that matters whether there is a God, or not


Thanks for reading

Edit - For my religious people, STEM is good. There is no losing in educating yourself.

Science won't take me to heaven, religion will. Also I don't like how you're looking down on religion when you say "There is no losing in educating yourself." as if all religious people are idiots without education. Fyi education doesn't always come from school and science but life itself, that's the best educator you can get so don't assume religious people are automatically stupid just because they don't share your Godless worldview.

 

[Caliburn]

Actually he concept of "hell" is something that originates from North-European mythology (mainly German/Scandinavian). The lowest plane of existence was called 'Hel' or 'Helheim', which was their underworld, it was literally their hell. It was where weaklings and wicked people were sent after their death.

Despite many people having the image of the catholic Church being rigid, stubborn and intolerant; it's an attitude that mainly started to appear strongly in the 16th century. During the original christianization of Europe after the fall of the Western Roman Empire they were in fact quite lenient and above all very pragmatic and opportunistic when it came to converting people. Rather than forcing people to follow a new religion they have no connection with from one day to another, they adopted a strategy of assimilating slowly existing traditions, stories and deities with christian believes which was a process that could last centuries. It's not that the first one never occurred, but the latter one was more efficient, though slower. Simplified instead of saying 'relinquish your old deity and take our new one', they said 'your old deity is in fact a saint of our deity'. A lot of christian saints in fact predate christianity. They were local deities, legendary heroes etc., but they got christianized.

This was not a controlled process. This assimilation took centuries and as a result it was impossible to predict how pagan-christian mixtures would end up. Often it was also more done unintentionally than intentionally and the assimilation happened organically. For example nearly all the days of the week are from pagan origin:

Monday = day of the moon
Wednesday = day of Odin
Thursday = day of Thor
Friday = day of Freyja
Sunday = day of the sun

Another prime example is Christmas. Originally that was a pagan feast, which got christianized. It's more efficient to take an existing feast and change the meaning than abolish a current feast and change it with a new one on another day no one is familiar with.

Same thing happened with the concept of hell. It got assimilated with christianity and pretty much started living a life on its own for a while. I have no idea about 'sheol', but it's not uncommon for this era to, intentionally or not, assimilate things of different origin that happen to be coincidently similar. That 'sheol' would be the origin of the concept of hell is doubtful though as to do that you need to first already have the notion of hell. If you don't have a hell already, you're not going to mistranslate a word into it. So even if 'sheol' wouldn't have appeared in the bible or have been translated correctly, I sincerely doubt that people would have not believed in the existence of an underworld.

Unlike you claim though hell was not created for the sake of 'controlling masses' as you put it. It might have been used like that later on, but it definitely was originally not created for it.

 

[YowYan]

Internally/individually:

Heaven is a state of being. Hell is a state of being.

Externally/collectively: Heaven could be made on earth. Hell is what we're heading for/going through

 

[Ansatsuken]

Why only bible you used for reference? Why not read bible's sibling book that is Quran

 

[Desanto]

Not being able to co exist with God is like punishment.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life".

Its as simple as that. Would you rather perish or live eternally?



Hell and Sheol are two different words in the bible. Though you are correct on the statement, you aren't correct that hell and sheol are "mistranslation" of the same word.



Just like above.

Sheol (Hebrew) is used as "Hades" (Greek). When New Testment mentions "Sheol" the new translation (from hebrew to greek) is Hades.

Hell(Greek) is used from the Old Testement word: Gehenna (Hebrew).

This is where you and even many Christian get wrong (since most dont bother studying themselves).

Look up the basic concept of Hell/Gehenna:

You must be registered for see links

.

Gehenna, in short, is known for a place to throw away enemies and criminals. Using fire to cremate and destroy.

So be careful of getting these words mixed up.



Though I dont believe its eternal "suffering" (its more like you dont exist anymore) why would you said he isn't warning the world? You wouldnt have this kind of knowledge if its being spread.

Being Just doesnt separate his Loving nature either. Especially if he is both by definition.

No human being is naturally concerned about God, because of sin. The bible and us humans paint that picture clearly.



True.



Wrong @ bold. Even if thats true, its clearly a failure. God also wants us to accept Jesus so we can co exist with Him.

"Hell" exist because God exists:

If you understand God's nature then you would understand the basics. Anything that contradicts God's nature cannot co-exist with the nature. Its like trying to mix water and oil.

Both exist and both cant mix.

Thats the same to us. God is the definition of perfect, good, etc. Anything the opposite of that cannot simply co-exist.

1.Were evil in God's eye.
2.We cannot co exist with Him.

So we move outside of His Nature/Presence.

That doesnt mean eternal suffering. "Hell" is just a human term description (that even Jesus used) to describe that anyone who doesn't want to accept him can simply just be "removed" from existence. "Fire" is just a terminology for someone back in the day, and even now, used because we understand what fire can do to people and materials.




True. Sadly this is a popular belief and barley people standing up to study and interpret bible passages correctly.

But saying Hell doesn't exist, is incorrect. It needs to exist if God says who he says he is.

Everything you posted is what I meant to say, you just went alot deeper than I did ( didn't have much time) I am completely aware of what you meant by perishing, I guess I should have put more effort into my post. My point was that the general public is misinformed.

 

[Desanto]

Science won't take me to heaven, religion will. Also I don't like how you're looking down on religion when you say "There is no losing in educating yourself." as if all religious people are idiots without education. Fyi education doesn't always come from school and science but life itself, that's the best educator you can get so don't assume religious people are automatically stupid just because they don't share your Godless worldview.

I actually meant no ill will whatsoever, youre just blowing steam. Everyone should educate themselves.

& no, religion won't take you to heaven. This is coming from someone who believes in god.

Actually he concept of "hell" is something that originates from North-European mythology (mainly German/Scandinavian). The lowest plane of existence was called 'Hel' or 'Helheim', which was their underworld, it was literally their hell. It was where weaklings and wicked people were sent after their death.

Despite many people having the image of the catholic Church being rigid, stubborn and intolerant; it's an attitude that mainly started to appear strongly in the 16th century. During the original christianization of Europe after the fall of the Western Roman Empire they were in fact quite lenient and above all very pragmatic and opportunistic when it came to converting people. Rather than forcing people to follow a new religion they have no connection with from one day to another, they adopted a strategy of assimilating slowly existing traditions, stories and deities with christian believes which was a process that could last centuries. It's not that the first one never occurred, but the latter one was more efficient, though slower. Simplified instead of saying 'relinquish your old deity and take our new one', they said 'your old deity is in fact a saint of our deity'. A lot of christian saints in fact predate christianity. They were local deities, legendary heroes etc., but they got christianized.

This was not a controlled process. This assimilation took centuries and as a result it was impossible to predict how pagan-christian mixtures would end up. Often it was also more done unintentionally than intentionally and the assimilation happened organically. For example nearly all the days of the week are from pagan origin:

Monday = day of the moon
Wednesday = day of Odin
Thursday = day of Thor
Friday = day of Freyja
Sunday = day of the sun

Another prime example is Christmas. Originally that was a pagan feast, which got christianized. It's more efficient to take an existing feast and change the meaning than abolish a current feast and change it with a new one on another day no one is familiar with.

Same thing happened with the concept of hell. It got assimilated with christianity and pretty much started living a life on its own for a while. I have no idea about 'sheol', but it's not uncommon for this era to, intentionally or not, assimilate things of different origin that happen to be coincidently similar. That 'sheol' would be the origin of the concept of hell is doubtful though as to do that you need to first already have the notion of hell. If you don't have a hell already, you're not going to mistranslate a word into it. So even if 'sheol' wouldn't have appeared in the bible or have been translated correctly, I sincerely doubt that people would have not believed in the existence of an underworld.

Unlike you claim though hell was not created for the sake of 'controlling masses' as you put it. It might have been used like that later on, but it definitely was originally not created for it.

The bible doesn't talk about hell ( a place of suffering after the 2nd life) at all. All im saying is that after carefully reading the bible, there is no hell. The bad apples who are most likely going to spoil the healthy bunch are simply going to wither along with satan ( im only going by the bible here, not saying this is actually going to happen ) God himself says there is no suffering or pain when you die. Those who chose to abandon god after the 2nd life will simply not exist anymore and they will not be remembered or missed.

It makes alot more sense that a loving diety would do this than to just say ''oh you dont love me? Mkay, burn.'' That just doesnt make sense to me. If gods real. I still have my questions.

Thanks for posting on my thread though !

 

[The Work]

The bible doesn't talk about hell ( a place of suffering after the 2nd life) at all. All im saying is that after carefully reading the bible, there is no hell. The bad apples who are most likely going to spoil the healthy bunch are simply going to wither along with satan ( im only going by the bible here, not saying this is actually going to happen ) God himself says there is no suffering or pain when you die. Those who chose to abandon god after the 2nd life will simply not exist anymore and they will not be remembered or missed.

It makes alot more sense that a loving diety would do this than to just say ''oh you dont love me? Mkay, burn.'' That just doesnt make sense to me. If gods real. I still have my questions.

Thanks for posting on my thread though !

Read the story about Lazarus and the Rich Man in the bible.

Hell is real (Lake of Fire, Fiery Furnace, Eternal Punishment, Fiery Lake of Burning Sulfur

Jesus got the keys of death and hell. He controls where you go.

Of course you wouldn't believe in it since your not a Christian.

 

[Desanto]

Read the story about Lazarus and the Rich Man in the bible.

Hell is real (Lake of Fire, Fiery Furnace, Eternal Punishment, Fiery Lake of Burning Sulfur

Jesus got the keys of death and hell. He controls where you go.

Of course you wouldn't believe in it since your not a Christian.

Are you sure its not a misinterpretation?

In this story, you're pretty much taught that after death the unrighteous are eternally separated from God, that they remember their rejection of the Gospel, that they are in torment.

Torment can stand for a bunch of things. In the bible it says that Satan is always in Torment (since he was cast from the heavens). I doubt he is in constant physical pain, however, he can be in mental pain as a POW is when they are being shackled and left in a room with little to no water (That too is torment). It's just a word to explain how much hatred he bleeds.

As Brother Numpsay discussed, "Fire" is just a terminology for someone back in the day, and even now, used because we understand what fire can do to people and materials.