Hebi sasuke vs onoki?

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intel - basic manga knowledge, sasuke knows onoki has jinton, thats all. Onoki knows sasuke has sharigan,curse mark

location- where sasuke fought deidara

restrictions - none!

intent - kill

starting distance - 30 meters. who wins?
 

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Hebi Sasuke can take this at a high diff. But, Oonoki shouldn't be doubted either. Close fight
 

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Sasuke can win this.
 
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broooo sasuke can win this

Well now that I think about it... Ohnoki needs some time to create the Jinton and while doing that, he needs to stay still so flying + Chidori Spear or Genjutsu could be gg. Yeah... Sasuke wins this actually.
 

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Hebi Sasuke might be able to take this. Anyone wanna debate it?
 

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Sasuke has pretty much zero offenses that will let him take out Onoki's giant Rock Golem, Raiton may be superior to Doton elemental wise, but it doesn't change the fact that this thing is far too big to cut through via Chidori Katana, Chidori, and Senbon aren't powerful enough to get through. Chidori spear could work, but Onoki (who lies at the top) can use the Doton: Keijลซgan no Jutsu to lighten his Golem thus increasing its speed and mobility just like it did to and . He can also use this technique in tandem with the Doton: Chลkajลซgan no Jutsu in order to dramatically increase the golem's striking power right when he's about to strike Sasuke just .

Not to mention Mobile Core can be used to create an opening for this attack and catch Sasuke off guard , but he had Susanoo to save him, Sasuke doesn't.

Manda is a non factor here as it will never be able to catch Onoki with his flight speed comparable to Deidara's bird, and will just end up getting made extremely light allowing Onoki or the Golem to just smack it far far away, or making it extremely heavy thus rendering it unable to fight.

In the end, Sasuke has no way to counter or evade Jinton as it is simply too fast for him. He isn't stopping Onoki from using it when the latter can fly while prepping it. If Sasuke doesn't die to the golem he dies to Jinton.

Onoki takes this mid difficulty.

Don't mention Sasuke's wings for flight, cause I'm pretty sure Zexion~ has mentioned many times that he has never once flown with those wings and has only glided. Genjutsu isn't happening here either.
 
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lmao at the idiots who think Onoki wins

Sasuke takes this easily.

Jinton is easily avoided by Sasuke speed.

Doton techniques are destroyed by Raiton since its Raiton > Doton.

Onoki has no defense against Kirin that is a mountain buster.

Sasuke wins mid-high diff
 

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Sasuke has pretty much zero offenses that will let him take out Onoki's giant Rock Golem, Raiton may be superior to Doton elemental wise, but it doesn't change the fact that this thing is far too big to cut through via Chidori Katana, Chidori, and Senbon aren't powerful enough to get through. Chidori spear could work, but Onoki (who lies at the top) can use the Doton: Keijลซgan no Jutsu to lighten his Golem thus increasing its speed and mobility just like it did to and . He can also use this technique in tandem with the Doton: Chลkajลซgan no Jutsu in order to dramatically increase the golem's striking power right when he's about to strike Sasuke just .

Flawed Post is Flawed. Golem is a non fact here when it's not even touching sasuke with his speed, If anything Onoki's is simply wasting his chakra. In the same scan you posted, The golem wasn't even fast enough to stop Madara from performing Mukoton:|. The golem can actually be utilized by sasuke as means of reaching Onoki, when all he has to do jump on top of it and use his curse mark wings to make it more of an easier task. It doesn't matter if he make the golem lighter because it still isnt touching sasuke, Chidori spear easily destroys it, not too mention when Onoki lightens something the effect of that result leads to the overall offensive power being weaker showcased when Onoki attacked kabuto, and kabuto mentions how it was a light punch. Increasing the golems power as you said would also make the golem go back to it's originally speed which is slow. Lol if you think a golem is touching sasuke's God-like speed.

Not to mention Mobile Core can be used to create an opening for this attack and catch Sasuke off guard , but he had Susanoo to save him, Sasuke doesn't.

He uses moving core and then what? Sasuke can easily counter by which have shown to be quite durable, and are you referring to Onoki using moving earth core and the golem attack sasuke? Madar reacted with sussano ribcage, I see no reason why sasuke can't counter with Chidori spear on the golem. Or better yet potentially chidori nagashi so if the golems hand come in close contact it would probably start to crumble .

Manda is a non factor here as it will never be able to catch Onoki with his flight speed comparable to Deidara's bird, and will just end up getting made extremely light allowing Onoki or the Golem to just smack it far far away, or making it extremely heavy thus rendering it unable to fight.

Lol the golem hitting Manda with his agility and speed showcased in part 1? Not happening, Onoki lightening Manda makes no sense since it will only make Manda more faster thus pose a greater task of getting hit from the golem. Yeah I can see Onoki making manda heavier you have a point their.

In the end, Sasuke has no way to counter or evade Jinton as it is simply too fast for him. He isn't stopping Onoki from using it when the latter can fly while prepping it. If Sasuke doesn't die to the golem he dies to Jinton.

You have no Idea what your talking about, we already saw how when Onoki's subordinate intervened with Onoki's prep time for jinton and it got canceled. Sasuke can easily react with chidori senbon being thrown at onoki forcing him to stop the preparation Or rather using his shunsin so that Onoki can lose sight of him. Not too mention Genjutsu is still a factor here considering All it takes is a quick glance to get onoki in a genjutsu U_U. Then theirs also his shurikenjutsu that he displayed against Itachi and utilizing his windmill shuriken which can potentially reach onoki, Onoki blocking the windmill with his Doton clones is futile since sasuke is known to trap his windmill shuriken with wires so he can trace a chidori current through the windmill which makes the cutting power deadlier which will go right through the doton clones guarding Onoki.

Don't mention Sasuke's wings for flight, cause I'm pretty sure Zexion~ has mentioned many times that he has never once flown with those wings and has only glided. Genjutsu isn't happening here either

Deidara saids sasuke can fly So I have reason to believe that he can fly, I see no reason why his wings cannot support his body weight and allow him to fly? But for your sake Ill say whatever to that. Genjutsu is still a factor here since you made many claims about Onoki swooping him and touching manda and etc to make his weight heavier or lighter.
 

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Flawed Post is Flawed. Golem is a non fact here when it's not even touching sasuke with his speed, If anything Onoki's is simply wasting his chakra. In the same scan you posted, The golem wasn't even fast enough to stop Madara from performing Mukoton:|. The golem can actually be utilized by sasuke as means of reaching Onoki, when all he has to do jump on top of it and use his curse mark wings to make it more of an easier task. It doesn't matter if he make the golem lighter because it still isnt touching sasuke, Chidori spear easily destroys it, not too mention when Onoki lightens something the effect of that result leads to the overall offensive power being weaker showcased when Onoki attacked kabuto, and kabuto mentions how it was a light punch. Increasing the golems power as you said would also make the golem go back to it's originally speed which is slow. Lol if you think a golem is touching sasuke's God-like speed.

Flawed comparison is flawed. Madara using Mokuton only takes a clap of the hand, not to mention he didn't increase its speed with his Lightening jutsu so your point is moot.

lol, @ Chidori Spear easily destroying the golem. Not when it can evade due to being so light. Not when Onoki can fly with it like he did with Ay.
Why are you mentioning its offensive power being lacking when I clearly said he'd use it in tandem with the jutsu that increases its weight in order for a hard hit? Just like he did against Ay? Why are you mentioning its speed being slow when he'd use the weight increasing jutsu the split second before Sasuke gets hit? Also seen when Ay was able to get from in front of Madara, to behind Madara's back in a second

Lmfao, God like speed?



He uses moving core and then what? Sasuke can easily counter by which have shown to be quite durable, and are you referring to Onoki using moving earth core and the golem attack sasuke? Madar reacted with sussano ribcage, I see no reason why sasuke can't counter with Chidori spear on the golem. Or better yet potentially chidori nagashi so if the golems hand come in close contact it would probably start to crumble .
Not sure if serious? Sasuke covering himself with his wings isn't going to stop the golem from turning him into paste he blocked Katon with it, far weaker and far different from a weightened fist from the golem, and Ay was able , and yes, I was referring to mobile core being used to create an opening for him to be hit with the golem.

lol? Madara only has to think to use Susanoo, Sasuke needs physical movement for Chidori Spear which he clearly has no time for when the golem with increased speed is coming at him after he's been made wide open via Mobile Core.

Lmao! Chidori Nagashi isn't going to do anything to it at all. Not only does the golem dwarf Yamato and that rather pathetic Mokuton tendril (Not even gonna call that a branch lol), its far more durable That was even a much smaller one.

I'd also like to note that the ones , and the ones are different in durability, the former is actually far superior considering Madara's Magatama cracked the golem created from the earth but a smaller one created from chakra tanked Deidara's explosive. Nagashi isn't doing anything and Chidori Spear isn't easily destroying it, not at all.

Similar to how Gaara's gourd sand infused with chakra is much more durable than the sand wall he used to block the Magatama.

Lol the golem hitting Manda with his agility and speed showcased in part 1? Not happening, Onoki lightening Manda makes no sense since it will only make Manda more faster thus pose a greater task of getting hit from the golem. Yeah I can see Onoki making manda heavier you have a point their.
Lightening Manda makes it so that it becomes light enough that it can't even hurt Onoki or the Golem if he tried, not to mention it Onoki touches Manda, he'd be able to just go right ahead and hit it away with a rock fist considering he is already making contact with it.


You have no Idea what your talking about, we already saw how when Onoki's subordinate intervened with Onoki's prep time for jinton and it got canceled. Sasuke can easily react with chidori senbon being thrown at onoki forcing him to stop the preparation Or rather using his shunsin so that Onoki can lose sight of him. Not too mention Genjutsu is still a factor here considering All it takes is a quick glance to get onoki in a genjutsu U_U. Then theirs also his shurikenjutsu that he displayed against Itachi and utilizing his windmill shuriken which can potentially reach onoki, Onoki blocking the windmill with his Doton clones is futile since sasuke is known to trap his windmill shuriken with wires so he can trace a chidori current through the windmill which makes the cutting power deadlier which will go right through the doton clones guarding Onoki.

No. The golem, that Sasuke can't destroy can easily tank Chidori Senbon or any thrown projectiles that Sasuke attempts to use against Onoki to interrupt Jinton's charge time. 2-3 seconds at the very most. Sasuke's attacks aren't quick enough to reach Onoki in this time period.

Shunshin? If he uses Shunshin then Onoki can hold off until he finds Sasuke, and then simply fire it then, cause once its fired, he isn't evading it, far too fast for him. LOL @ Onoki even losing sight of Sasuke, he is not that fast, and isn't going to Shunshin so fast in far enough distance that Onoki won't be able to find him, especially when Deidara was able to see him and move out of the way.

lol? Shuriken? I'd agree more with the Chidori Senbon than the Shuriken. Sasuke isn't going to toss a Shuriken at Onoki and hit him before Jinton is done charging up, as the charge time is nowhere near that long. Not to mention Onoki knows to keep his distance before firing off Jinton, and with his vastly superior aerial speed, that is something easily achieved.

Deidara saids sasuke can fly So I have reason to believe that he can fly, I see no reason why his wings cannot support his body weight and allow him to fly? But for your sake Ill say whatever to that. Genjutsu is still a factor here since you made many claims about Onoki swooping him and touching manda and etc to make his weight heavier or lighter.

Even if he can fly, it won't help him get past the Golem which can cover for Onoki while he preps Jinton. Especially considering we have never seen what speed he can fly at if he can even fly, considering how every time we see him utilize his wings, he glides. But again, whether he can fly or not, he isn't taking this match.

How does Onoki altering Manda's weight make him susceptible to Genjutsu? There are many different angles at which Onoki can touch Manda and Sasuke can't look at every spot at once. Onoki isn't going to carelessly look into his eyes considering he has prior knowledge on the Sharingan and its abilities from as he fought against Madara once before and he already knows Sasuke has it as said in your OP,
 
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pretty lazy to go into debate but sasuke wins

lighting>earth not to mention his genjutsu sasuke can fly with his wings

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Deidara is well above tree level sasuke got up there without being notice with 1 wing also even that high deidara was caught in a genjutsu witch he prepared for while onoki will not also sasuke has Manda & Aoda to smash any rock creation
 

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Flawed comparison is flawed. Madara using Mokuton only takes a clap of the hand, not to mention he didn't increase its speed with his Lightening jutsu so your point is moot.

lol, @ Chidori Spear easily destroying the golem. Not when it can evade due to being so light. Not when Onoki can fly with it like he did with Ay.
Why are you mentioning its offensive power being lacking when I clearly said he'd use it in tandem with the jutsu that increases its weight in order for a hard hit? Just like he did against Ay? Why are you mentioning its speed being slow when he'd use the weight increasing jutsu the split second before Sasuke gets hit? Also seen when Ay was able to get from in front of Madara, to behind Madara's back in a second

Lmfao, God like speed?

Lol This guy, you misunderstand the point of me talking about the madara reference, whether or not mukoton requires a clap is of little important when we take into factor of the golem's originally speed. The golem having it's weight lightened makes no difference as it is not touching sasuke with his shunshin and reaction time. Lol really? The golem evading chidori spear with it's massive size and width? you're overrating the hell out of Onoki's lightening jutsu if you think his golem will evade chidori spear when it's length is and all sasuke has to do is wave the spear around :|. Please show me a scan of Onoki flying with that huge ass golem? Either way it will make no difference as the golem isnt touching sasuke nor hardly is it evading Chidori when sasuke can use his katana similar to how he did with Deidara to strengthen his jumping power and end the golem right there along with onoki potentially. I mentioned the offensive power lacking because you clearly said Onoki would lighten the golem did you not?

Lol you have No idea what the hell your talking about. First off the technique does isnt restricted to only the fist. The scan you showed of Onoki's fist covered in rock wasnt due to him performing any form of enhanced weight technique on his fist, he simply performed his , You Tard. Yes god like speed, the Databook clearly states that.:| As you can see Onoki has no technique that would only effect the fist of the Golem, if he does his super aggravated technique on the golem it will effect the whole body making it slower, not that it would even touch sasuke. the rock fist technique is different then the super aggravated technique you useless piece of trash! Smh that you think a damn golem is going to touch sasuke.

Not sure if serious? Sasuke covering himself with his wings isn't going to stop the golem from turning him into paste he blocked Katon with it, far weaker and far different from a weightened fist from the golem, and Ay was able , and yes, I was referring to mobile core being used to create an opening for him to be hit with the golem.

Oh my god, stop with this non sense! A mother fken Doton golem isnt touching sasuke with his speed and reaction!

lol? Madara only has to think to use Susanoo, Sasuke needs physical movement for Chidori Spear which he clearly has no time for when the golem with increased speed is coming at him after he's been made wide open via Mobile Core

No Tard, Your not even taking into factor of the potentially distance of sasuke and the golem before the golem can even reach over to sasuke. Sasuke would have more than enough time to slice the golem with CS U_U.

Lmao! Chidori Nagashi isn't going to do anything to it at all. Not only does the golem dwarf Yamato and that rather pathetic Mokuton tendril (Not even gonna call that a branch lol), its far more durable That was even a much smaller one.

Yeah because we all know Deidara's explosion contains raiton which has a advantage over doton? Dum ass.

No. The golem, that Sasuke can't destroy can easily tank Chidori Senbon or any thrown projectiles that Sasuke attempts to use against Onoki to interrupt Jinton's charge time. 2-3 seconds at the very most. Sasuke's attacks aren't quick enough to reach Onoki in this time period.

2-3 seconds?


Learn to counter mother fker, this is clearly more than 2-3 seconds. Again Please show me this scan of the golem flying with Onoki? Because I only recall onoki .

Shunshin? If he uses Shunshin then Onoki can hold off until he finds Sasuke, and then simply fire it then, cause once its fired, he isn't evading it, far too fast for him.

Until he finds sasuke? or until katons are being throw at him from behind?

I'd also like to note that the ones , and the ones are different in durability, the former is actually far superior considering Madara's Magatama cracked the golem created from the earth but a smaller one created from chakra tanked Deidara's explosive. Nagashi isn't doing anything and Chidori Spear isn't easily destroying it, not at all.

Chidori is easily destroying :| Raiton>doton. Deidaras explosive are not raiton you damn clown.

lol? Shuriken? I'd agree more with the Chidori Senbon than the Shuriken. Sasuke isn't going to toss a Shuriken at Onoki and hit him before Jinton is done charging up, as the charge time is nowhere near that long. Not to mention Onoki knows to keep his distance before firing off Jinton, and with his vastly superior aerial speed, that is something easily achieved




Lol doubting the speed of the windmills? And please dont give Deidara reaction time feats to Deidara!

Even if he can fly, it won't help him get past the Golem which can cover for Onoki while he preps Jinton. Especially considering we have never seen what speed he can fly at if he can even fly, considering how every time we see him utilize his wings, he glides. But again, whether he can fly or not, he isn't taking this match.

Still waiting on that scan of the golem flying with Onoki you piece of crap.

How does Onoki altering Manda's weight make him susceptible to Genjutsu? There are many different angles at which Onoki can touch Manda and Sasuke can't look at every spot at once. Onoki isn't going to carelessly look into his eyes considering he has prior knowledge on the Sharingan and its abilities from as he fought against Madara once before and he already knows Sasuke has it as said in your OP,
 

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Whaaaa...? I'm glad KG's got this...Onoki has this fight in the bag U_U
 

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Nice Debate but KG solo's ;) Doesn't feel so good now does it
 
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