Hebi Sasuke vs MS Sasuke

[KidGamer65]

I'm not saying Hebi Sasuke beats early MS Sasuke but the MS Sasuke that fought Bee had to

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Amaterasu before he could shoot it out. What is stopping Hebi Sasuke from seeing this and summoning one of the many snake summonings he has to surround him - similar to what he did with Manda against Deidara?

After using one Amaterasu, MS Sasuke was clearly

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for a second. Hebi Sasuke is definitely fast enough to capitalize in that second, no?

Using Amaterasu seems more of a misplay in my opinion.

Because it was his very first shot. He later put it out and had the energy to retreat so he definitely wasn't out of commission. That's just regular MS backlash. Sasuke can surround himself with summonings but when they get caught on fire it'll spread and light him up too.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

Because it was his very first shot. He later put it out and had the energy to retreat so he definitely wasn't out of commission. That's just regular MS backlash. Sasuke can surround himself with summonings but when they get caught on fire it'll spread and light him up too.

Even when he put it out it still left him

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for a second. When I say out of commision I don't mean that he was chakra drained, simply that he was vulnerable.

MS Sasuke's amaterasu was

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at this point, so what is stopping Hebi Sasuke from seeing that MS Sasuke is prepping Amaterasu, summoning some snakes in front of him, let Amaterasu light up the snakes, and just simply going around/flying above the snakes? It's not like its going to burn right through the snakes before Sasuke can react.

 

[KidGamer65]

Even when he put it out it still left him

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for a second. When I say out of commision I don't mean that he was chakra drained, simply that he was vulnerable.

MS Sasuke's amaterasu was

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at this point, so what is stopping Hebi Sasuke from seeing that MS Sasuke is prepping Amaterasu, summoning some snakes in front of him, let Amaterasu light up the snakes, and just simply going around/flying above the snakes? It's not like its going to burn right through the snakes before Sasuke can react.

But if he summons snakes right in front of him while Sasuke is prepping Amaterasu he can simply not fire it, get in close range and take out the snakes (either with his own or with Chidori Spear) and then when he closes in on Hebi he can light him up.

Or he can just fire regardless. Sasuke can only do this so many times since there are only a few snake summons in the series.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

But if he summons snakes right in front of him while Sasuke is prepping Amaterasu he can simply not fire it, get in close range and take out the snakes (either with his own or with Chidori Spear) and then when he closes in on Hebi he can light him up.

Or he can just fire regardless. Sasuke can only do this so many times since there are only a few snake summons in the series.

Do you think MS Sasuke at this point has the control over Amaterasu to do something like this? I'm honestly asking, because all we have seen from him so far is that he closes his eyes to prep Amaterasu then when he opens it amaterasu shoots out.

I was under the impression that Sasuke had access to Orochimaru's full arsenal of snakes. Regardless, it doesn't matter. MS Sasuke has only one use of Amaterasu in this battle. If he fires Amaterasu and Sasuke counters it, he is going to have to suffer the draw backs of it, and Hebi Sasuke is mad fast. The moment he closes his eyes due to the draw backs of Amaterasu Hebi Sasuke will be on his ass. And from here wouldn't this be a 3T Sasuke with CM2 and the usage of Snakes, some strong enough to completely immobilize a

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vs. a 3T Sasuke?

 

[TRE MERCER]

Not at all.. MS Sasuke has more chakra because he doesn't need to waste chakra by holding Orochimaru influence back. He has stronger chakra because MS is stronger than CS.. Hebi Sasuke dies by the second Amaterasu if MS Sasuke has to resort to that.

cm2 hebi sasuke crushes the Sasuke that Killer bee fought.

Yeah, no. Amaterasu one shots.

Oral rebirth disagrees.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Not at all.. MS Sasuke has more chakra because he doesn't need to waste chakra by holding Orochimaru influence back. He has stronger chakra because MS is stronger than CS.. Hebi Sasuke dies by the second Amaterasu if MS Sasuke has to resort to that.

Any version of MS Sasuke obliterates any version of Hebi Sasuke, and it's not close. At all.

You should be embarassed if you think otherwise.

Obliterates? Just stop. MS Sasuke only has one option and that's Amaterasu which is countered via oral rebirth. Cqc Hebi sasuke wins via CM2.

 

[KidGamer65]

Do you think MS Sasuke at this point has the control over Amaterasu to do something like this? I'm honestly asking, because all we have seen from him so far is that he closes his eyes to prep Amaterasu then when he opens it amaterasu shoots out.

I was under the impression that Sasuke had access to Orochimaru's full arsenal of snakes. Regardless, it doesn't matter. MS Sasuke has only one use of Amaterasu in this battle. If he fires Amaterasu and Sasuke counters it, he is going to have to suffer the draw backs of it, and Hebi Sasuke is mad fast. The moment he closes his eyes due to the draw backs of Amaterasu Hebi Sasuke will be on his ass. And from here wouldn't this be a 3T Sasuke with CM2 and the usage of Snakes, some strong enough to completely immobilize a

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vs. a 3T Sasuke?

It's not control over the jutsu itself, it's him choosing to fire it or not. Not to mention he put out the flames right afterwards so I doubt his control of the jutsu is any better than it is during the Kage Summit. The only differences is that the backlash doesn't hit him as hard.

Orochimaru's full arsenal of snakes consists of the Three Giant Snakes from Konoha Invasion, the generic snake Oro used against Sasuke in Part 1 and Manda. The Three Giant Snakes were killed in Part 1 by Jiraiya I believe, at least one of them was killed. Both versions of Sasuke have equal access to said snakes so saying they would be a factor in a hypothetical fight against them doesn't work out too well as Sasuke could just summon or unsummon them if Hebi calls them.

And that's even assuming Sasuke is fast enough to summon in the time between Amaterasu's usage and Amaterasu's appearance. You said that he's shown preparing it but in reality said process has always been there even after he gets Susanoo and whatnot. There is no real difference. And it burned hot enough to damage the Hachibi and make his clone return to human form so it'll incinerate any snake.

But anyway, he has around 4-5 snakes he can summon. If he blocks Amaterasu the first time with a snake and Hebi tries to engage him then it's basically CM2 Sasuke vs. Sasuke w/ more shots of Amaterasu, a jutsu that he cannot dodge or survive a second shot of without wasting a giant portion of his chakra.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

It's not control over the jutsu itself, it's him choosing to fire it or not. Not to mention he put out the flames right afterwards so I doubt his control of the jutsu is any better than it is during the Kage Summit. The only differences is that the backlash doesn't hit him as hard.

Orochimaru's full arsenal of snakes consists of the Three Giant Snakes from Konoha Invasion, the generic snake Oro used against Sasuke in Part 1 and Manda. The Three Giant Snakes were killed in Part 1 by Jiraiya I believe, at least one of them was killed. Both versions of Sasuke have equal access to said snakes so saying they would be a factor in a hypothetical fight against them doesn't work out too well as Sasuke could just summon or unsummon them if Hebi calls them.

And that's even assuming Sasuke is fast enough to summon in the time between Amaterasu's usage and Amaterasu's appearance. You said that he's shown preparing it but in reality said process has always been there even after he gets Susanoo and whatnot. There is no real difference. And it burned hot enough to damage the Hachibi and make his clone return to human form so it'll incinerate any snake.

But anyway, he has around 4-5 snakes he can summon. If he blocks Amaterasu the first time with a snake and Hebi tries to engage him then it's basically CM2 Sasuke vs. Sasuke w/ more shots of Amaterasu, a jutsu that he cannot dodge or survive a second shot of without wasting a giant portion of his chakra.

When I talk about Orochimaru's full arsenal of snakes, I don't just mean the large ones. Hebi Sasuke has access to multiple snakes he can use as nothing more than body shields, like

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Do keep in mind that he was able to summon the snake and the snake wrap around Sasuke in the time it took for Itachi's Kunai to reach Sasuke. Also keep in mind that they weren't that

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from each other, so this is a really good feat. So yes, the moment Hebi Sasuke sees MS Sasuke prep Amaterasu, he should be more than fast enough to summon a snake to take the amaterasu for him.

The MS Sasuke that you are arguing for (the one that fought bee) is the only MS Sasuke that was shown closing his eyes before firing Amaterasu. No other form of MS Sasuke needed to do that. This is the prep I am talking about.

So if Hebi Sasuke counters the Amaterasu, MS Sasuke is going to suffer the backlash of using Amaterasu and Hebi Sasuke will be on his ass. MS Sasuke won't have the chance to prep another Amaterasu once this goes close quarters, cause the moment Hebi Sasuke sees MS Sasuke close his eye to prep it, he shoots a chidori spear at his head and its over. So if MS Sasuke can't use Amaterasu, this turns into a CM2 3T Sasuke vs 3T Sasuke.

 

[KidGamer65]

When I talk about Orochimaru's full arsenal of snakes, I don't just mean the large ones. Hebi Sasuke has access to multiple snakes he can use as nothing more than body shields, like

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Do keep in mind that he was able to summon the snake and the snake wrap around Sasuke in the time it took for Itachi's Kunai to reach Sasuke. Also keep in mind that they weren't that

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from each other, so this is a really good feat. So yes, the moment Hebi Sasuke sees MS Sasuke prep Amaterasu, he should be more than fast enough to summon a snake to take the amaterasu for him.

The MS Sasuke that you are arguing for (the one that fought bee) is the only MS Sasuke that was shown closing his eyes before firing Amaterasu. No other form of MS Sasuke needed to do that. This is the prep I am talking about.

So if Hebi Sasuke counters the Amaterasu, MS Sasuke is going to suffer the backlash of using Amaterasu and Hebi Sasuke will be on his ass. MS Sasuke won't have the chance to prep another Amaterasu once this goes close quarters, cause the moment Hebi Sasuke sees MS Sasuke close his eye to prep it, he shoots a chidori spear at his head and its over. So if MS Sasuke can't use Amaterasu, this turns into a CM2 3T Sasuke vs 3T Sasuke.

And I already told you what happens if he uses Shadow Snakes to block Amaterasu, they catch on fire and the flames spread to him and he ends up dying. You said it burns fast but not only does it not burn slow as evidenced by what it did to the Hachibi and what it did to Jiraiya's toad in Part 1.

Wrong again. Itachi does it. Sasuke does it almost every time he uses it regardless of his version or stage of progression using his MS.

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:lol There is no prep besides the ordinary. At all. And I'm not sure how long you think this backlash lasts but it's standard and nowhere near what Itachi had to deal with when he fought Hebi Sasuke. [

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] So I think it's safe to say that Hebi isn't taking enough advantage of this to do any kind of damage or even engage him, and even if it engages him it doesn't matter.

So no, when Sasuke gets into close quarters with him he gets hit with a second Amaterasu and then he dies. Not sure if serious with the bold. Why would Sasuke closing his left eye make him vulnerable enough for Hebi to attack and hit him with Chidori Spear? Sasuke doesn't become immobile when using Amaterasu. If he takes a direct hit he dies. Not even Oral Rebirth will save him if his entire body has been ignited, because when he creates a new body it'll have to emerge through the flame. Hebi doesn't stand a chance of victory here.

 

[Warlocks]

MS Sasuke =100

Hebi Sasuke =50