Hebi Sasuke vs Minato

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No FTG? Lmao what are the points of fights like this.

Sure, take away Minato's strongest technique and he loses.

Now Minato with FTG versus Sasuke without Sharingan, who wins??????
 

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if u want a minato stomp thread u can make one.No one is stopping u
And post count means?


If it makes you happy I could make a thread with both being at there best but the outcome will Abe the same. Lol
In other words bias? As I told you, go ahead idc just pointing out your bias is all


No FTG? Lmao what are the points of fights like this.

Now Minato with FTG versus Sasuke without Sharingan, who wins??????
 

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Oh wait, does FTG being restricted mean no S/T barrier as well? As Minato needs a place to send the jutsu he's warping?
 

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Madara was trying to stop Sasuke in order to speak with him and evaluate his Sharingan/convince him to join his side, if my memory serves me right. It seems like he grabbed Sasuke's blade in order to stop his movements in order to speak with him. He could of easily dodged Sasuke's attacks; not to mention Madara was pretty careless when fighting in SM due to Hashirama's healing jutsu, knowing any minor wounds wouldn't be vital to him.

Minato can intercept his Katon with the S/T Barrier, as Minato chooses it's exact place of summoning.
Madara was dodging, then Sasuke thrust and pierced his arm, then Madara stopped the blade from hitting his heart. Sure, Madara stopped him but not just because he felt like it, because he was going to get run through if he hadn't. Madara being careless isn't an excuse here. If Madara truly was being careless with Sasuke he would've let Sasuke pierce his heart instead of catching Sasuke's blade with his hands. He wouldn't have put that much energy into dodging Sasuke in the first place. If Sasuke can eventually tag someone who is far faster than him in the reactions and the movement speed department then there's no way Minato dodges Sasuke to the point where Sasuke exhausts himself.


And how is he going to use S/T Barrier without Hiraishin?
 

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Madara was dodging, then Sasuke thrust and pierced his arm, then Madara stopped the blade from hitting his heart. Sure, Madara stopped him but not just because he felt like it, because he was going to get run through if he hadn't. Madara being careless isn't an excuse here. If Madara truly was being careless with Sasuke he would've let Sasuke pierce his heart instead of catching Sasuke's blade with his hands. He wouldn't have put that much energy into dodging Sasuke in the first place. If Sasuke can eventually tag someone who is far faster than him in the reactions and the movement speed department then there's no way Minato dodges Sasuke to the point where Sasuke exhausts himself.


And how is he going to use S/T Barrier without Hiraishin?
Yeah, you're right. I'll concede here.
 

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Madara was dodging, then Sasuke thrust and pierced his arm, then Madara stopped the blade from hitting his heart. Sure, Madara stopped him but not just because he felt like it, because he was going to get run through if he hadn't. Madara being careless isn't an excuse here. If Madara truly was being careless with Sasuke he would've let Sasuke pierce his heart instead of catching Sasuke's blade with his hands. He wouldn't have put that much energy into dodging Sasuke in the first place. If Sasuke can eventually tag someone who is far faster than him in the reactions and the movement speed department then there's no way Minato dodges Sasuke to the point where Sasuke exhausts himself.


And how is he going to use S/T Barrier without Hiraishin?
@Bold

I thought it was pretty clear that Madara allowed himself to be pierced, thanks to his healing, in order to put Sasuke in a poor CQC position. If memory serves, after Sasuke lunged and got Madara's arm, he was horribly over-extended and vulnerable while Madara was in good positioning for a strike.

I always just saw it as a CQC manuever, not that Sasuke bested him for a second.
 

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@Bold

I thought it was pretty clear that Madara allowed himself to be pierced, thanks to his healing, in order to put Sasuke in a poor CQC position. If memory serves, after Sasuke lunged and got Madara's arm, he was horribly over-extended and vulnerable while Madara was in good positioning for a strike.

I always just saw it as a CQC manuever, not that Sasuke bested him for a second.
Nope. Madara was dodging Sasuke until Sasuke thrust the blade at him. The blade was aimed for his heart and Madara couldn't dodge, that's why he moved his arm in the way, so he could let the blade pierce through him and divert it's trajectory away from his heart and then catch the tip with his other hand. If Sasuke didn't tag him there's no reason why he'd compliment Sasuke saying he has good movements.


In terms of CQC Madara had the upper hand and was in control the entire time, but that doesn't mean that Sasuke didn't tag him. Yeah, you could say he allowed himself to get pierced in the arm, but only as an alternative to getting ran through his heart.
 

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Nope. Madara was dodging Sasuke until Sasuke thrust the blade at him. The blade was aimed for his heart and Madara couldn't dodge, that's why he moved his arm in the way, so he could let the blade pierce through him and divert it's trajectory away from his heart and then catch the tip with his other hand. If Sasuke didn't tag him there's no reason why he'd compliment Sasuke saying he has good movements.


In terms of CQC Madara had the upper hand and was in control the entire time, but that doesn't mean that Sasuke didn't tag him. Yeah, you could say he allowed himself to get pierced in the arm, but only as an alternative to getting ran through his heart.
I didn't say that Sasuke wasn't going for his heart. I'm saying it was a slip-up on his part, considering it played entirely to Madara's advantage in CQC.

You can say he was going for Madara's heart all you want, but the point is that he didn't get there and ended up over-extended.

And besides, Madara compliments people he considers beneath him all the time. He was complimenting the Gokage while absolutely running through them.
 

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I didn't say that Sasuke wasn't going for his heart. I'm saying it was a slip-up on his part, considering it played entirely to Madara's advantage in CQC.

You can say he was going for Madara's heart all you want, but the point is that he didn't get there and ended up over-extended.
:lol Since you clearly forgot what this discussion was about let me remind you.

I thought it was pretty clear that Madara allowed himself to be pierced, thanks to his healing,
You said that Madara let himself get hit. That is what we are arguing about. Not whether or not Sasuke failed to stab Madara's heart or whether or not Madara had the advantage the entire time. Madara had no choice but to be hit. The only variation here is that he had the choice of being hit in the heart or being hit in the arm, and he chose the one nowhere close to being lethal.

Who ever even said that you disputed that Sasuke went for his heart? Cause I sure didn't.
 

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:lol Since you clearly forgot what this discussion was about let me remind you.



You said that Madara let himself get hit. That is what we are arguing about. Not whether or not Sasuke failed to stab Madara's heart or whether or not Madara had the advantage the entire time. Madara had no choice but to be hit. The only variation here is that he had the choice of being hit in the heart or being hit in the arm, and he chose the one nowhere close to being lethal.

Who ever even said that you disputed that Sasuke went for his heart? Cause I sure didn't.
Oops, you seem confused. Pay attention;

Madara did allow himself to get hit. The argument from the start was that Madara was setting up a situation in which he would have the advantage - hence, when Sasuke thought he had a clear shot for Madara's heart, Madara pulled one over on him by forcing him to over-extend and blocking with his arm. Something that Sasuke obviously was not expecting.

In case this wasn't clear for you, I'll break it down into bite-sized pieces:

(1) Sasuke fight Madara.
(2) Madara create opening.
(3) Sasuke see opening.
(4) Madara trick Sasuke.

Understand?
 

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I honestly don't see sasuke reacting to minato's shunshin. I mean even with cm active sick itachi can still outspeed him with easily. and i wouldn't be wrong in assuming minato is faster than that
 
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