Hebi Sasuke vs Ay

[BenjerminGaye]

you argued on the basis that kakashi could still use rakiri effective enough to hit sasuke without his sharingan.(wrong)

He aimed it pretty well against the 18 jounin clones. The only thing he needed sharingan for is to see counters. Not to aim it.

you argued that lightning transmission wasn't just kakashi using a clone and two rakiri together(wrong)

You have no proof that it's raikiri. He didn't say Rikiri: raiden like sasuke does for Chidori: true spear or Chidori:senbon, or Chidori: Stream. So there's no reason to believe it's a derivative technique.

you argued that is would take sasuke a great deal of chakra to summon manda( wrong, see the deidara fight)

Manda is a boss level summon. I shouldn't have to point that out to you.

you argued that because sasuke couldn't see when kakashi used clones, that somehow kakashi would be able to put sasuke down even with his CM2 durability and manda also fighting( wrong).

C2 durability is no where near v2 durability. Mere explosions cost him his wings. Neither him nor manda would survive getting cut in half by raiden. Because he can't see it he'll be put in an unfavorable position. See pain/nagato/itachi clone/deidara. That's all he needs.

2 techniques bro. I could argue other ways he'd win(putting up zabuza's mist making sasuke's sharingan pointless, headhunter to raiden or raikiri, summoning tracking fang to hold sasuke down for raikiri etc) but you still didn't get past the first argument. Don't take your butthurt to other ppl's threads.

 

[lelerskates]

Is this thread still going? There is no way Hebi Sasuke is beating Ay. End of story.

 

[Haizaki]

Ay wrecks hebi sasuke...MS was hardly keeping up with Raikage..he couldn't even react to him..hebi sasuke with no susanoo would be killed easily

 

[~Sky~]

I've actually read some really good arguments for Sasuke's case here, I'm surprised.

EDIT: My, I'm learning new things about him as this progresses.

 

[shelke]

He aimed it pretty well against the 18 jounin clones. The only thing he needed sharingan for is to see counters. Not to aim it.

You have no proof that it's raikiri. He didn't say Rikiri: raiden like sasuke does for Chidori: true spear or Chidori:senbon, or Chidori: Stream. So there's no reason to believe it's a derivative technique.

Manda is a boss level summon. I shouldn't have to point that out to you.

C2 durability is no where near v2 durability. Mere explosions cost him his wings. Neither him nor manda would survive getting cut in half by raiden. Because he can't see it he'll be put in an unfavorable position. See pain/nagato/itachi clone/deidara. That's all he needs.

2 techniques bro. I could argue other ways he'd win(putting up zabuza's mist making sasuke's sharingan pointless, headhunter to raiden or raikiri, summoning tracking fang to hold sasuke down for raikiri etc) but you still didn't get past the first argument. Don't take your butthurt to other ppl's threads.

I already proved you wrong, completely wrong on those Raikiri points. But you're so persistent that it's hilarious.

CS2's durability is lower than V2 and Mere Explosions? Funny, this guy:

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- CS2's Wing completely shielding Sasuke. He completely tanks such a large explosion at the cost of a single wing. The Dragon looks like a speck on the page. Do us a favour and stop this hilarious trolling.

V2's so-called Durability:

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- Charges V2 to engage in Lariat with Bee.

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- Is smashed into concrete and his armour is gone -

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V2's Durability doesn't even compare to CS2. Where did you get this V2 >> CS2 anyway? I would love to see a single proof for this outlandish claim.

 

[Prince Charles]

The only thing sasuke has that can even potentially win this match is kirin which will require more prep since amaterasu isnt here and genjutsu.

 

[A v i]

No he didn't-you must made that shit up completely. Like I said-the raikages comment about the sharingan being inferior is a pile of horseshit given different wielders master them to different levels. Furthermore, sasuke doesn't use genjutsu anywhere near much as itachi-there's ZERO proof that he was trying to use genjutsu.
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What is Itachi doing here? :| Did I said something about Itachi in my post?

Am I using Raikages statement as a proof to say that Sasuke was attempting genjutsu?

:yeah:Sasuke wasn't attempting to use genjutsu on Raikage then what was Sasuke doing in 5th panel of this page(Middle and Left most)?

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Manga scan is there and Sasukes eyes are there and my proof is there.

Keep denying manga facts.

 

[shelke]

^ He was attempting to put Chee under Genjutsu, you fop. In an attempt to allow Karin to track Danzo, as she had to make her Chakra disappear and in that state, she couldn't track Danzo effectively. The manga confirms it that Sasuke used the whole thing as a distraction for Chee. He was his target all along. Your ignorance level is over 9000. We don't care about your self-interpretations.

 

[Optimistic]

shelke its not even ignorance, the guy just didn't real the whole chapter. Lol

Instead he focus of the fight scenes instead of other key points in the chapter.

 

[A v i]

^ He was attempting to put Chee under Genjutsu, you fop. In an attempt to allow Karin to track Danzo, as she had to make her Chakra disappear and in that state, she couldn't track Danzo effectively. The manga confirms it that Sasuke used the whole thing as a distraction for Chee. He was his target all along. Your ignorance level is over 9000. We don't care about your self-interpretations.

I hope this helps.Zzz

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shelke its not even ignorance, the guy just didn't real the whole chapter. Lol

Instead he focus of the fight scenes instead of other key points in the chapter.

Sasuke damage control committee strikes again.:yeah:

 

[Bogard]

Genjutsu connects the nerves in the brain. Against a Raikage whose synapses fire as fast as the speed of light, it's difficult for the genjutsu to operate normally. I think it's for that reason Raikage was basically "immune". Madara's genjutsu affecting Raikage was because he was capable to connect the light flash synapses after immobilising him. Sasuke has a weak genjutsu anyway, only working for short periods of time [

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], so no hope for that to actually work on the Raikage

 

[shelke]

^ Next time, do it with crayons. Since your message clearly isn't getting through.

shelke its not even ignorance, the guy just didn't real the whole chapter. Lol

Instead he focus of the fight scenes instead of other key points in the chapter.

What's with members here, taking chunks out of the chapter? Chee got proven wrong the second Sasuke evaded his attack. So much for Sharingan not keeping up.

 

[VolatileSoul]

Sasuke head slips one attack and all of a sudden his fans thinks he runs circles on ay.

One attack? He was fighting Ay for a long time, all through Naruto's and Obito's talk and didn't even get touched until he went in with Chidori. He actually landed hits while Ay could not. He has shown to be capable of dodging V1 Ay and Ay hasn't shown the ability to hit him. Why argue against it? Why not use manga evidence to support your point?

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There are 6 panels in that scan but this guy can only see one panel?:yeah:

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Lets take a look at how many points you are ignoring to make Sasuke look better here.

• Raikage standing near the wall.
• Raikage was looking upwards after beating Juugo.
• Sasuke was standing on the wall.
• Sasuke was looking downwards.
• Raikage was standing beneath Sasuke.
• Sasukes eyes are wide open and focused.
• Raikage said Sharingan won't work on him.

You can't see all those things in that scan but you can see Cee saying something about keeping up?? This just proves how badly you guys want him to win this match.Keep trying.

I don't remember using that statement as a reason to say that he was trying to use genjutsu though.

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^^^^Look at Sasuke: "Wide open and Focused Sharingan eyes" and he was clearly looking at Raikage in that scan.If you can name a jutsu besides genjutsu for which Sasuke shows that kind of qualities then we can talk.



Look at Sasuke,he was clearly attempting to cast genjutsu on Raikage unless ofcourse you think Sasuke was standing there and focusing his eyes while look at Raikage without a reason.Raikage made that statement while looking at Sasuke,If Raikage underestimated Sasuke as you said then he would have looked at Sasukes eyes and feel for his genjutsu but that was never happend.There are only two possible reasons due to which Raikage didn't feel for Sasukes genjutsu in that scan.

• Raikage looked at Sasukes eyes and still managed to countered his genjutsu.
  
  
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• Raikage didn't looked at Sasukes eyes which means that he was avoiding eye contact which is more than enough to say that Raikage won't feel for genjutsu in this match up.

He wasn't defeated by Sasukes genjutsu due to one of those two reasons which means that he is either skilled enough to counter genjutsu or wise enough to avoid eye contact.

END OF THE DAY: Genjutsu is out of qustion for Sasuke in this match.

I'm not ignoring anything. I'm simply not interested in your fanfic interpretation and I'm only going to consider what the manga shows. No one said Sasuke was trying genjutsu, no genjutsu was shown, and the very next chapter we see that he was targeting Cee, not Ay. Even Ay's claim that sharingan doesn't work on him was proven false the moment Madara trapped him in genjutsu. If you think looking in their general direction is attempting genjutsu, then Sasuke must be trying to genjutsu people all the time.

 

[Optimistic]

Sasuke damage control committee strikes again.:yeah:

Pointless nerd committee. No thanks.

 

[shelke]

Genjutsu connects the nerves in the brain. Against a Raikage whose synapses fire as fast as the speed of light, it's difficult for the genjutsu to operate normally. I think it's for that reason Raikage was basically "immune". Madara's genjutsu affecting Raikage was because he was capable to connect the light flash synapses after immobilising him. Sasuke has a weak genjutsu anyway, only working for short periods of time [

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], so no hope for that to actually work on the Raikage

What the ****? Lol

 

[Prince Charles]

No proof sasuke was attempting to put Ay into a genjutsu, that's fanfiction. Anyone can crop some panels together and fabricate the manga.

 

[A v i]

I'm not ignoring anything. I'm simply not interested in your fanfic interpretation and I'm only going to consider what the manga shows. No one said Sasuke was trying genjutsu, no genjutsu was shown, and the very next chapter we see that he was targeting Cee, not Ay. Even Ay's claim that sharingan doesn't work on him was proven false the moment Madara trapped him in genjutsu. If you think looking in their general direction is attempting genjutsu, then Sasuke must be trying to genjutsu people all the time.

Raikage was looking upwards and Sasuke was looking downwards and Raikage was talking with Sasuke which clearly proves that they were looking at eachother.Sasuke was standing on top of Raikage and looking at him which is why Raikage made a statement such as that.Yet you guys are ignoring that and talking as if Raikage is retarted enough to talk with Sasuke while Sasuke is focusing his eyes on Cee to cast genjutsu.And another hole in your argument is Sasuke focusing on Cee who wasn't even trying to fight them while Raikage kicking their asses.I don't know about you guys but I definitely don't think Sasuke is retarted enough to focus on Cee when Raikage is the real threat.

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^^^^ There is a full page which shows huge ass blast b/w my scan and the scan in which Sasuke used genjutsu on Cee and you guys are using that scan to say that Sasuke was attempting to cast genjutsu on Cee? So you think it takes 3 pages for Sasuke to cast genjutsu?

Keep ignoring manga facts.

No proof sasuke was attempting to put Ay into a genjutsu, that's fanfiction. Anyone can crop some panels together and fabricate the manga.

Why do you think Sasuke was focusing his eyes? (middle left)

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I didn't do anything in that scan look for yourself.

 

[Touken]

..Why is this being debated?

 

[Bogard]

It's clear as day Raikage was referring to the Sharingan genjutsu here [

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] If it wasn't the case, what else would it be? Sharingan precognition when he is standstil?

Even when Raikage was put under a genjutsu by Madara, it was again implied it's not something that should work on him. [

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] "I of all people, losing to a measly sharingan genjutsu" Unless your reading comprehension is terrible, it's clear as day. A little bit of common sense here would help

 

[Gold Lightning]

People seem to think you can't look at a sharingan user at all in order to avoid genjutsu. But in actual fact you only need to avoid direct eye contact, most of nv knows now to fight against the uchiha and we hardly see genjutsu decide a fight yet this is still being debated.

Just because you are looking at someone doesn't mean you are looking directly into their eyes. How stupid would kishi's manga be if every time he drew a fight with a sharingan user involved, he always would have to draw the opponent looking down or away constantly. That's just silly and unnecessary, I find it astonishing that some people can magically tell that a character is making direct eye contact just because they are facing that sharingan user.