Hebi Sasuke vs 3T Kakashi

[BenjerminGaye]

last I checked there was already a thunderstorm already present in the Itachi fight, IE: no seals

it's heavly implied sasuke can use kirin without a storm

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Please prove that the seal can cause a thunderstorm.


Cuz it really isn't implied.
If sasuke in BASE(without oro) can use Kirin without a preexisting thunderstorm then him forcing itachi to use ama, and him throwing CM2 fireballs into the sky wasn't necessary. He would have dropped it the moment they made it outside.

 

[Unorthodox]

War arc 3 tomoe kakashi is superior

Sasuke whops any 3 Tomoe kakashi.

After the war arc kakashi grew tremmendously

EDIT: during the war arc*

Yes with kamui and kurama juice

Yeah Lol Kakashi during the war improved tremendously.
Stamina, chakra, reactions, ninjutsu & taijutsu etc etc

Stamina ninjutsu and chakra improved only because kurama chakra what taijutsu feats says he improved

Goes from 2 kamui's and fatigue To 5 kamui's 8 raikiri's two shadow clones and much more.

Says there is no difference. L9l

All that was only possible because of kurama chakra. Sasuke low mid diff

 

[BenjerminGaye]

All that was only possible because of kurama chakra. Sasuke low mid diff

Idiot. That was prior to him getting chakra from naruto.

 

[slimreaper]

Please prove that the seal can cause a thunderstorm.


Cuz it really isn't implied.
If sasuke in BASE(without oro) can use Kirin without a preexisting thunderstorm then him forcing itachi to use ama, and him throwing CM2 fireballs into the sky wasn't necessary. He would have dropped it the moment they made it outside.

Or he just really wanted to make sure it killed him(not knowing about susanoo)

Explain sasuke's what sasuke's other plan would have been then...

 

[EZQ]

Sasuke whops any 3 Tomoe kakashi.



Yes with kamui and kurama juice



Stamina ninjutsu and chakra improved only because kurama chakra what taijutsu feats says he improved



All that was only possible because of kurama chakra. Sasuke low mid diff

1- No he doesn't.

2- Not talking about his kamui improvement (which also was beast). Before getting his first chakra reload from kurama kakashi used 6 raikiris a doton wall 5 kamuis and bunshins.

3- Again, his stamina improved even without kurama, he made all those jutsu named above plus 5 kamuis, if he hadn't used those kamuis then he could make a lot more jutsus since kamui is definitely the one that dries him out the most.

And look at his speed feats:

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Naruto and Bee were bussy with the 4 tails, Gai was fighting the 5th tail in full BM and Kakashi was facing the remaining 4 of them in v2 alone. Worth to mention, those jins in v2 were giving KM Naruto trouble.

4- Read the war arc again pal. And pay atention to what kakashi did before getting chakra.

 

[Unorthodox]

Idiot. That was prior to him getting chakra from naruto.

No it was not but am about to prove why your wrong hole on.

1- No he doesn't.

he actually does

2- Not talking about his kamui improvement (which also was beast). Before getting his first chakra reload from kurama kakashi used 6 raikiris a doton wall 5 kamuis and bunshins.

I cant recall a single kamui before his interaction with Kurama chakra

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Kakashi even states they're inside kurama's chakra this scan kills your whole argument.

Again, his stamina improved even without kurama, he made all those jutsu named above plus 5 kamuis, if he hadn't used those kamuis then he could make a lot more jutsus since kamui is definitely the one that dries him out the most.

Already disproved this nonsense and we know how long kurama chakra can linger so his stamina did not really improve.

And look at his speed feats:

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Not impressive at all what is he doing exactly attack chakra arms coming out of the ground? Orochimaru was dodging them and he's slower than hebi Sasuke nb4 v4 jins nonsense Kurama > Other bijuu so Kurama chakra forms > theirs.

Naruto and Bee were bussy with the 4 tails, Gai was fighting the 5th tail in full BM and Kakashi was facing the remaining 4 of them in v2 alone. Worth to mention, those jins in v2 were giving KM Naruto trouble.

Those v2 jinz was giving him trouble Because naruto did not want to hurt them because of the bijuu otherwise he would have blitz them off with giant expanding frs. Since when has giving kmc naruto trouble 3 tomoe Itachi was doing that right

Read the war arc again pal. And pay atention to what kakashi did before getting chakra.

Nothing impressive that's all i know

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No it was not but am about to prove why your wrong hole on.

They dont receive any chakra in that scan. Kurama explicitly states when he gave kakashi chakra(well after that moment) And kakashi went into detail about its effects on his body and reserves. Where as in that scan neither party says a word.

Or he just really wanted to make sure it killed him(not knowing about susanoo)

If it was kirin that sasuke was planning on using on 4 ppl then it would most def kill itachi, since as you said, he had no knowledge of susanno. If "kirin" was gonne be used to kill naruto, sakura,sai, and yamato at once then it would kill itachi since their physical durability is roughly the same.

Explain sasuke's what sasuke's other plan would have been then...

i dont have to.

 

[Unorthodox]

They dont receive any chakra in that scan. Kurama explicitly states when he gave kakashi chakra(well after that moment) And kakashi went into detail about its effects on his body and reserves. Where as in that scan neither party says a word.

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Irrelevant as **** Kurama does not need to talk he needs to do it make you come in contact with his chakra which the did sitting inside the kurama avatar and all.

Also with kakashi in the war has not shown any speed or physical feats to put him above hebi sasuke and if so its not noticeable end result is

This wont come down to who has the larger chakra pool
or who is faster since the speed is around the same

its comes down to skill Sasuke wins everytime Better ration Katon counters raikiri Manda curse mark Sasuke takes this med diff

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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Irrelevant as **** Kurama does not need to talk he needs to do it make you come in contact with his chakra which the did sitting inside the kurama avatar and all.

so you can't prove he got chakra in your previous scan can you?

And you say he dosen't need to talk yet kurama expitly stated what he did?

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Lol son u done goofed.

What makes it even worse is what kurama says:

The difference between you and me.
In the first scan you posted who was in charge: Naruto
In this scan who is in charge: kurama.
but hey keep on making up bs

Also with kakashi in the war has not shown any speed or physical feats to put him above hebi sasuke and if so its not noticeable end result is

This wont come down to who has the larger chakra pool
or who is faster since the speed is around the same

its comes down to skill Sasuke wins everytime Better ration Katon counters raikiri Manda curse mark Sasuke takes this med diff

Bruh, i'm not arguing any of that. Who wins is irrelevant to me.

 

[Unorthodox]

so you can't prove he got chakra in your previous scan can you?

And you say he dosen't need to talk yet kurama expitly stated what he did?

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Lol son u done goofed.

What makes it even worse is what kurama says:

The difference between you and me.
In the first scan you posted who was in charge: Naruto
In this scan who is in charge: kurama.
but hey keep on making up bs



Bruh, i'm not arguing any of that. Who wins is irrelevant to me.

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Yes naruto was in charge but its irrelevant because Without Kurama permission he cannot use the bm avatar Naruto does not own the avatar to himself once its comes out the is chakra manifestation of kurama having the same chakra sharing ability hence why when those chains sucked the bm avatar up like a noodle it took kurama because he's the avatar so rather naruto was in control or not the avatar is his physical body nice try though.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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Yes naruto was in charge but its irrelevant because Without Kurama permission he cannot use the bm avatar Naruto does not own the avatar to himself once its comes out the is chakra manifestation of kurama having the same chakra sharing ability hence why when those chains sucked the bm avatar up like a noodle it took kurama because he's the avatar so rather naruto was in control or not the avatar is his physical body nice try though.

The bold is all that matters.
Naruto couldn't do what kurama could, Hence kurama stating the difference between them, Kurama can't do it when naruto is in charge,Hence him asking for the switch.

 

[EZQ]

No it was not but am about to prove why your wrong hole on.



he actually does



I cant recall a single kamui before his interaction with Kurama chakra

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Kakashi even states they're inside kurama's chakra this scan kills your whole argument.



Already disproved this nonsense and we know how long kurama chakra can linger so his stamina did not really improve.



Not impressive at all what is he doing exactly attack chakra arms coming out of the ground? Orochimaru was dodging them and he's slower than hebi Sasuke nb4 v4 jins nonsense Kurama > Other bijuu so Kurama chakra forms > theirs.



Those v2 jinz was giving him trouble Because naruto did not want to hurt them because of the bijuu otherwise he would have blitz them off with giant expanding frs. Since when has giving kmc naruto trouble 3 tomoe Itachi was doing that right



Nothing impressive that's all i know

1- No. He doesn't, and your whole post is wrong.

2- That time he was in contact with kurama's chakra but still he didn't get any chakra boost, nor it was implied. They were inside kurama's avatar, nothing more. Look here, Gai enters the cloak and kurama says "i'll restore of him later". See? LATER, so being inside the chakra avatar does not increase the chakra pool and you don't have proof, while i have Kurama saying the key word "later", meaning he would restore him later, not in that moment when Gai came in contact with the Avatar. So no, that first time inside Kurama's avatar did not increase his chakra pool.

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3- Stupid argument. First of all, Orochimaru only fought one jin, while Kakashi fought 4 of them, and he did more than just cutting chakra arms, since in the manga it was shown that Gai and Kakashi were keeping them bussy while Naruto and the Hachibi were fighting Son, so until the moment Naruto came out of the 4 tail's stomach, Kakashi was fighting those v2 jins the whole time, it was off paneled, but he survived , so it is implied he can keep up with 4 v2 jins at the same time, the ones who gave KM Naruto trouble

4- Stupid argument, even without intent to kill, naruto had at least intent to not get hurt, so he was restraining himself when atacking, but when it comes to dodging their atacks he didn't hold back, and still he was caught of guard a lot of times.

5- It was very fun to whoop your weak ass again. Have a good time re-reading the manga.

 

[lelerskates]

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Yes naruto was in charge but its irrelevant because Without Kurama permission he cannot use the bm avatar Naruto does not own the avatar to himself once its comes out the is chakra manifestation of kurama having the same chakra sharing ability hence why when those chains sucked the bm avatar up like a noodle it took kurama because he's the avatar so rather naruto was in control or not the avatar is his physical body nice try though.

Your stupid fanboyism is showing. You lost the debate here, scrubby Mvscrubbystein.

 

[slimreaper]

snake summons put sasuke above kakashi. get at me

 

[NarutoX28]

As much of a Sasuke fan as I am, even I admit that War Arc Kakashi is far above Hebi Sasuke simply based on his increase in stamina and his superior reflexes displayed against V2 Jin enhanced by both Precognition and Shared Vision.

 

[lucario14]

Hebi Sasuke? The one that has mastery of cursed seal level 2? Yea Hebi Sasuke wins.

 

[Unorthodox]

The bold is all that matters.
Naruto couldn't do what kurama could, Hence kurama stating the difference between them, Kurama can't do it when naruto is in charge,Hence him asking for the switch.

Kurama cannot do once Naruto's in charge unless he's out there via the bm kurama that's him rather naruto is in charge or not so its does not matter you can try to play dumb to get the last post but you're wrong as phuck.

1- No. He doesn't, and your whole post is wrong.

My whole post is right but i can guess your going to try and prove me wrong.

That time he was in contact with kurama's chakra but still he didn't get any chakra boost, nor it was implied. They were inside kurama's avatar, nothing more. Look here, Gai enters the cloak and kurama says "i'll restore of him later". See? LATER, so being inside the chakra avatar does not increase the chakra pool and you don't have proof, while i have Kurama saying the key word "later", meaning he would restore him later, not in that moment when Gai came in contact with the Avatar. So no, that first time inside Kurama's avatar did not increase his chakra pool.

It was not needed to be implied we know what happens when you touch Kurama's chakra just like he gave kakashi a handshake he chakra boosted right back up that simply. Your logic would hold true only if it worked like that for gai who was exhausted from Hirudora it had little to do with chakra exhaustion and more to do with him using his gates that takes a different tole on the body than just chakra lost ill explain. Gai was seen cloaked in Kurama's chakras in that scan you posted yet the moment it went down gai reverted back to how he was before

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The physical strain of the gates is far greater than pure exhaustion because your out of chakra even rikudou Naruto could not heal him from the pressure of 8 gates and about 15 years later he still was unable to work.
Gai was all fine in this happened when obito used his juubi dama so gai had a while to marinate in this chakra making him seem A1

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This was gai's condition during the early stages of Madara's juubi jin fases still phucked up after all that Kurama chakra this give me the reason to believe besides boosting his attack power it does nothing for him refreshing wise so they're goes your silly little argument rather Kurama wanted to help gai or not its was useless because the gate puts to much strain on the body even for kurama to fully heal someone.

Stupid argument. First of all, Orochimaru only fought one jin, while Kakashi fought 4 of them, and he did more than just cutting chakra arms, since in the manga it was shown that Gai and Kakashi were keeping them bussy while Naruto and the Hachibi were fighting Son, so until the moment Naruto came out of the 4 tail's stomach, Kakashi was fighting those v2 jins the whole time, it was off paneled, but he survived , so it is implied he can keep up with 4 v2 jins at the same time, the ones who gave KM Naruto trouble

Does not matter how many Orochimaru fought that one he fought is stronger than the 4 Kakashi and Gai fought. Keeping them busy what does that have to do with anything did those shrouded bijuu use bijuu damas know Orochimaru went up against a way more dangerous opponent then those 4 cloaked bijuu's that Kakashi and gai fought and Killerbee was also in the mix, it being off panel hurts your argument even more you know how many off panel speed feats Minato has yet they're irrelevant because we dont know how he got it done.

Stupid argument, even without intent to kill, naruto had at least intent to not get hurt, so he was restraining himself when atacking, but when it comes to dodging their atacks he didn't hold back, and still he was caught of guard a lot of times.

Naruto did not get hurt so this post because moot he took damage but was not hurt in the least bit, Also when you implies some kept up with another i would think it means that both fought with the intent to kill not one just playing defense your fail post is a fail. Catching Naruto off guard is not a surprised Naruto is very clumsy and when he watching for his own ass he neglects his sensing abilities still not helping your weak arguements.

It was very fun to whoop your weak ass again. Have a good time re-reading the manga.

Again boy i dont remember the first time your a dunky ass debater who is not comparable to the likes of me take those weak scans and terrible justification someone else that shit is not flying with me boy.

Your stupid fanboyism is showing. You lost the debate here, scrubby Mvscrubbystein.

Who are you?

 

[Haizaki]

I'll probably give it to Sasuke.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kurama cannot do once Naruto's in charge unless he's out there via the bm kurama that's him rather naruto is in charge or not so its does not matter you can try to play dumb to get the last post but you're wrong as phuck.

False. Kurama can't do it period. Naruto is the one who's in control, and as such naruto has complete control.

Even in bm(with avatar out) they would have to switch back and forth the same way they do when the avatar is not out, or when naruto is in base.

 

[Unorthodox]

False. Kurama can't do it period. Naruto is the one who's in control, and as such naruto has complete control.

Even in bm(with avatar out) they would have to switch back and forth the same way they do when the avatar is not out, or when naruto is in base.

When has kurama ever needed to switch when the bm avatar was out? never i rest my case