[VS] Healthy Nagato vs DMS Obito
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But i can assure you someone will come to vote for nagato still..
makosheva7
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DMS is overkill.
Side note: I find it pretty funny that DMS Itachi and Sasuke would get trounced by a healthy Nagato but Kamui users would have no such trouble with him.
OT: Obito low-mid diff.
Side note: I find it pretty funny that DMS Itachi and Sasuke would get trounced by a healthy Nagato but Kamui users would have no such trouble with him.
OT: Obito low-mid diff.
lelerskates
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Obito is too fast for him. Kamui snipes his tiny **** off and then his head. Neg difficulty and I'm not even joking.
A Kamui which failed to wrap Konan will apparently wrap a foe with better reflex than Konan...wow!
OT: Nagato wins. ST will make Kamui useless, because gravity affects space-time; Kamui would be nullified, either at process of wrap in close or long range. Nagato should be able to detect Kamui, due his sensory and further amplified shared of vision. He could kill him during the moment of wrap. He could also trick him into wrapping a clone, which, from the Kamui dimension, will attack Obito's transported portion of body. If none of the two strategies worked, he outlasts him.
You mean Konan who had a specific, constant AOE prepped to counter Kamui warps?
Nagato has one good ST in him to counter a Kamui warp, which Obito can phase through. Then he's at a 5-second disadvantage, in which Obito either snipes or proximity warps him.
I mean Konan who has lesser reflex than Nagato, regardless of preparation.
That's nice, but Obito isn't phasing through an invisible force, which cannot be sensed or seen, so none of what you said works.
And Nagato can make it up with his heightened sensory and shared of vision.
ST functions by manipulating the vector using earth's gravity in a repulsive or attractive manner, which is stated in the databook on ST's entry. Obito cannot see or sense ST, in other words, earth's gravity. He's not phasing through something he's unaware of.
Lot of good that will do him without a hard physical counter.
I'm still not understanding where you're getting this idea that ST doesn't use chakra from. I'm not saying you're wrong, because it's been a while for some of these feats for me, but I'm going to need evidence stating that.
Assuming you're correct, however, there is nothing preventing Obito from just Kamui Sniping regardless.
He doesn't have to physically move to counter it, ST does the job for him.
Databook entry on ST:
''The originating repulsion force generated by the power of all creation”shinra obiki” (something that binds all together,so likely gravitation) forces its targets to collide together with a great force and put out additional damage, combined together with the initial force (shock wave) it puts up even more damage.''
Nagato uses his Chakra to manipulate gravity (earth's) in a repulsive or attractive manner. Earth's gravity is not composed of Nagato's Chakra, so it cannot be seen or sensed by any means. It's an invisible force. If Obito attempts to wrap Nagato at close range, ST cancels Kamui and repels him, which possibly kill him; if Obito attempts to snipe from long range, Nagato will see the Chakra build via Rinnegan and can sense it, then uses ST to also cancel the wrap. Gravity affects space-time; ST would cancel Kamui. I thought I said this.
Right, you already stated this and I was already aware of it. I'm asking you to supply evidence that Nagato doesn't use chakra for this.
...Right, so Obito senses the chakra built up for the attack, and goes intangible to avoid it, like he's done for literally every other attack he's phased in the manga.
Doesn't change the fact that it requires chakra to use, which is the sensing part I was referring to.
A basic ST is not even remotely going to kill Obito even if it does hit. That is ridiculous.
Baseless nonsense, please provide me with scans and manga evidence suggesting ST can interuppt Kamui warp. Otherwise you have no argument and Nagato gets sniped.
lelerskates
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Did I say this? No, I didn't. I said ST is not composed of Chakra, not that it doesn't use Chakra. You should read carefully because I'm not addressing your question repeatedly.
...Right, but he's not sensing a build up for an invisible attack. Supply a proof Obito can sense ST.
Addressed.
Doesn't have to. He gets a lot of damage. As much damage as Hinata got without dying, and I'm being generous.
Is reading difficult for you? Gravity (ST) affects space time (Kamui; along with the databook's statement that ST repels whatever an incoming attack is, regardless of its size and characteristic .