Healthy Nagato vs 5 Kage

[Waltz]

Bro. You clearly don't understand my point. I agree that Nagato is manipulating earth's gravity. However, earth's gravity has the ability to affect objects which weigh 100,000 kilos. That means there's huge gravity on those objects. Then we have Onoki who is almost weightless. He barely has any gravity. But Nagato is manipulating any amount of gravity the earth can create, he is not manipulating the amount of gravity required to attract a weightless entity like Onoki - because that entity has negligible gravity working on it.... Nagato cannot use the full capacity of earth's gravitational force because it has immense potential to create gigantic amounts of force in order to attract extreme masses. Nagato is using a small fraction of that gravity. If he uses 1/10000th of it, it will still be sufficient enough to send Onoki to Mars because he is almost weightless, and without weight you have less gravity. But since Nagato dictates the gravity he wants to work on Onoki by increasing chakra, he will create a huge force which will affect Onoki. This page conveys my point perfectly [

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]. An entity which initially had too much mass to be affected by x amount of gravity was initially not moved, but after the gravitational force was increased, y amount of gravity was more then capable of pushing the very large mass away. Onoki, with a far lesser mass, will be affected by the huge amount of gravitation because he is only immune to the extremely low levels of gravity which ONLY are present due to his extremely low mass. But this is not a low level of gravity at all, and the more gravity used, the greater the mass that can be pushed. Having a lower mass equates to being more prone to being sent away, not less prone (when the gravitational force is not dictated by mass).

I see. Impacting an almost weightless object with a tremendous amount of force; in other words batting a molecule of water with a baseball bat wielded by Jay cutler in 2001. Alright; I agree then that Onooki goes flying unless he and Ay can break Nagato's neck before he's able to use the Jutsu.

@Zexion: It's not about removing gravity; he can manipulate the force of Gravity on Earth and No, if he did that you'd be crushed flatter than a carpet from the force.
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[Zexion~]

I see. Impacting an almost weightless object with a tremendous amount of force; in other words batting a molecule of water with a baseball bat wielded by Jay cutler in 2001. Alright; I agree then that Onooki goes flying unless he and Ay can break Nagato's neck before he's able to use the Jutsu.

@Zexion: It's not about removing gravity; he can manipulate the force of Gravity on Earth and No, if he did that you'd be crushed flatter than a carpet from the force.
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:lol maybe its because I'm a Bio major but i'm not getting it. How can you concentrate gravity without removing it from somewhere else?

 

[Apêx1]

I see. Impacting an almost weightless object with a tremendous amount of force; in other words batting a molecule of water with a baseball bat wielded by Jay cutler in 2001. Alright; I agree then that Onooki goes flying unless he and Ay can break Nagato's neck before he's able to use the Jutsu.

@Zexion: It's not about removing gravity; he can manipulate the force of Gravity on Earth and No, if he did that you'd be crushed flatter than a carpet from the force.
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Lmfao at bold. Jay Cutler was aesthetic af tho.

Edit: oh wait there's a baseball player called Jay Cutler lel

 

[Brooks]

First Edos being weaker then the alive version is a Myth.

A myth? This is getting ridiculous.

I'm getting the feeling you weren't paying attention when Hasirama stated Madara's full powers have returned after bringing himself back to life with the Rinne Tensei no jutsu and take a note as Madara's Edo Tensei was special than the others.​

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I'm aware that preta path will absorb the ration armor but here is where the problem lies.
Killer bee's attack is much slower, keeps the opponent close to his body prior to the initial blow, and relies on the chakra cloak, while A is much faster, the moment he touches his opponent is the moment the attack has accomplished it's goal, and the attack doesn't rely on the chakra cloak, but A's actual body. Killer bee had the attack he was using absorbed, and yes the cloak is a huge part of the attack, he even refer's to it as his eighth sword.

Ei's Lighting armor is amping he's physical strength which is why Bee stated he's was going out and attempting to kill Naruto...if he's actual body is capable of that much power, then he wouldn't need go full power(V2) and just complete that task with V1(as he was easily previously out speeding Naruto with that alone).
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No surprise attack by chameleon thanks to Gaara.

The major problem in that argument is that both Ei and Ōnoki would be in Nagato's range and since they're both massively faster than Gaara sand with Ōnoki's Keijūgan no Jutsu ...he won't be able keep up with them and even if he releases his sand at time as them there is no way he's going to be at Nagato's at same time(hence making any attempt to save them useless).​

The speed of A only goes away after V2 is deactivated however by the time his Raiton armor is deactivated he would have already hit Nagato so why he have to worry about being in the hands of his enemy when he just sent him flying.]

Again, you're throwing Nagato's ability to use two Jutsus at same time out of the window...Nagato won't be unguarded as he would release both Gakidō and Shinra Tensei at one moment(literally making Ei's attempt at touching Nagato an impossible dream).​

Manga stream's translation are generally better than Manga panda, and it's pretty evident here as it actually make sense. If you want we can get Viz manga translation.

and I made a thread about why Gaara's sand can pass preta path.

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I don't quite understand the point behind that part of your post since both pages are only rewording the same statement.

***********: "If he wants to get rid of the sandthen he just to stop his jutsu. Of course...if he does, the electric water bullets will paralyze him."

Mangapanda: "if the sand isn't enough, we'll have to stop you from absorbing the techniques...and the lighting mixed in with the water dragon bullet will numb your body, dulling your movements."
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[Waltz]

:lol maybe its because I'm a Bio major but i'm not getting it. How can you concentrate gravity without removing it from somewhere else?

The force of gravity can't be removed it's manipulated/concentrated by Nagato until it makes contact with the target and then returns to it's natural position.

Continuing with my example: If Nagato used the amount of Earth's gravitational force needed to keep every building in Alaska glued to it's surface; they won't float away because they have a mass and as long as they still have mass they will be attracted to earth and that force of attraction is gravity which acts upon their masses and thus grants them a weight. ​

Lmfao at bold. Jay Cutler was aesthetic af tho.

Edit: oh wait there's a baseball player called Jay Cutler lel

Lol.. Was referring to the Jay cutler Ronnie Coleman crucified in 2005 tho. ​

 

[Apêx1]

The force of gravity can't be removed it's manipulated/concentrated by Nagato until it makes contact with the target and then returns to it's natural position.

Continuing with my example: If Nagato used the amount of Earth's gravitational force needed to keep every building in Alaska glued to it's surface; they won't float away because they have a mass and as long as they still have mass they will be attracted to earth and that force of attraction is gravity which acts upon their masses and thus grants them a weight. ​

Lol.. Was referring to the Jay cutler Ronnie Coleman crucified in 2005 tho. ​

Ronnie Coleman ain't shit in front of Serge Nubret. All of them ain't shit in front of a real aesthetic person like Sadik Hadzovic.

 

[solorflare99]

A myth? This is getting ridiculous.

I'm getting the feeling you weren't paying attention when Hasirama stated Madara's full powers have returned after bringing himself back to life with the Rinne Tensei no jutsu on him and take a note as Madara's Edo Tensei was special than the others.​

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Ei's Lighting armor is amping he's physical strength which is why Bee stated he's was going out and attempting to kill Naruto...if he's actual body is capable of that much power, then he wouldn't need go full power(V2) and just complete that task with V1(as he was easily previously out speeding Naruto with that alone).
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The major problem in that argument is that both Ei and Ōnoki would be in Nagato's range and since they're both massively faster than Gaara sand with Ōnoki's Keijūgan no Jutsu ...he won't be able keep up with them and even if he releases his sand at time as them there is no way he's going to be at Nagato's at same time(hence making any attempt to save them useless).​

Again, you're throwing Nagato's ability to use two Jutsus at same time out of the window...Nagato won't be unguarded as he would release both Gakidō and Shinra Tensei at one moment(literally making Ei's attempt at touching Nagato an impossible dream).​

I don't quite understand the point behind that part of your post since both pages are only rewording the same statement.

***********: "If he wants to get rid of the sandthen he just to stop his jutsu. Of course...if he does, the electric water bullets will paralyze him."

Mangapanda: "if the sand isn't enough, we'll have to stop you from absorbing the techniques...and the lighting mixed in with the water dragon bullet will numb your body, dulling your movements."
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That applies to Madara not everyone in general. He's special(which does not help your case but goes against it) because if he were to be revived then he would be an Old Man. He is surpassed his prime as he Madara has never had a young body and rinnegan at the same time. If Kabuto had to modify Madara's body it is possible that he didn't bringing it to the extent that it was at when he was young. Also are we just going to ignore the fact that other's have preformed better as Edo tensei? Their are outliers involved on both ends of the spectrum. Nagato hasn't been confirmed weaker.

Hold up, are you trying to claim V1 speed = V2 You do realize that Speed is a big component in how damage is done correct? Do you know what momentum is? If he is already at that speed then his punch will have that speed. Casually bust through walls + V2's speed = Nagato getting hurt badly. Did you even look at the scan? He easily knocked Bee out of the way. The same Bee who took a kick from Sasuke like it was nothing.

If Gaara spreads his sand out then the chameleon

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. Theirs no way that the chameleon is catching anyone off guard with Gaara around. Gaara doesn't have to keep up with A and Onoki, Nagato does. Once Gaara reveals the chameleon any othe Kage can take out chameleon with ease. You've established that Gaara sand can't keep up with A yet somehow the chameleon can? How's that logical?

I'm not "throwing Nagato's ability to use two Jutsus at same time out of the window" I'm taking into consideration that he has never shown the ability to use Preta Path and Shinra Tensei at the same time. Not only that but if he is blitzed by that speed he has nothing to suggest he would react fast enough to use shinra tensei. This the same guy who got blitzed by SM Naruto and Jiraiya despite have multiple pair of eyes on his side.

At this the translation debate is irrelevant, but if you must know.
The manga stream say that Madara has to stop preta in order to stop the sand
Manga panda is saying that the Kage has to stop him from using preta path.
The manga panda translation makes no sense as it does not explain how the kages will stop Preta path nor Why Madara would stop, while Managstream gives the how(madara stopping the jutsu himself) and why(Gaara's sand is about to seal him)

They are clearly two different statements. One is logical while the other isn't.
Anyway, did you see the thread? Am I wrong in saying that the sand wasn't effected by preta path?

 

[Waltz]

Ronnie Coleman ain't shit in front of Serge Nubret. All of them ain't shit in front of a real aesthetic person like Sadik Hadzovic.

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Playing dirty with that aesthetic card I see?

Frank Zane takes your boy Sadik and based on fanbases Aziz Shavershian the son of Zeus, brother of Hercules, father of aesthetics smokes King Nubret. Fuck...post that Roid-Boy phase tho. Haha.
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[Apêx1]

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Playing dirty with that aesthetic card I see?

Frank Zane smokes your boy Sadik and based on fanbases Aziz Shavershian the son of Zeus, brother of Hercules, father of aesthetics smokes King Nubret. Fuck...post that Roid-Boy phase tho. Haha.
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Lmfao.

Frank Zane ain't shit in front of Sadik tho'. Nor is he shit in front of ma ***** Bob Paris. But I can't top Zyzz, the son of Zeus, brother of Hercules and the fathr of aesthetics. Although Ulisses spanks him from a neutral stand-point, he still ain't fukinn Zyzz brah.

 

[Waltz]

I'll let Bob slide.

Ulisses is as natural as Mike O'Hearn. Fuark... Zyzz take's both tho. Nahh..he take's all.
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[Brooks]

That applies to Madara not everyone in general. He's special(which does not help your case but goes against it) because if he were to be revived then he would be an Old Man. He is surpassed his prime as he Madara has never had a young body and rinnegan at the same time. If Kabuto had to modify Madara's body it is possible that he didn't bringing it to the extent that it was at when he was young. Also are we just going to ignore the fact that other's have preformed better as Edo tensei? Their are outliers involved on both ends of the spectrum. Nagato hasn't been confirmed weaker.

What are you going about? The mere fact that Hashirama wasn't able to use Shin Sūsenju even with Sennin Mōdo active is proof enough that Edos are weaker than their living counterparts....unless you happen to have a proof for that too?​

Hold up, are you trying to claim V1 speed = V2 You do realize that Speed is a big component in how damage is done correct? Do you know what momentum is? If he is already at that speed then his punch will have that speed. Casually bust through walls + V2's speed = Nagato getting hurt badly. Did you even look at the scan? He easily knocked Bee out of the way. The same Bee who took a kick from Sasuke like it was nothing.

Why the hell would I claim V1=V2 at anything when the main point of my argument was to prove Ei's Lighting armor was amping he's physical strength....did you even look up the damage done by full power Ei when Naruto dodged him? The fact that Ei's Liger Bomb in V1 was only able to crack one of Sasuke's Susanoo ribcage and after going full power(V2) he was able to knock Sasuke's whole Ribcage Susanoo along with him(even after stopping in mid attack) is proof enough of his strength increasing.

Also, using an injured Sasuke who wasn't fully healed against his fight with Itachi as an example isn't much of a help to your argument.​

If Gaara spreads his sand out then the chameleon

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. Theirs no way that the chameleon is catching anyone off guard with Gaara around. Gaara doesn't have to keep up with A and Onoki, Nagato does. Once Gaara reveals the chameleon any othe Kage can take out chameleon with ease.

Implying the chameleon is moving as it's by Nagato's side and making any attempt to catch the chameleon is useless since Gaara's sand would be too late as both Ei and Ōnoki would be restrained before he could help them.​

You've established that Gaara sand can't keep up with A yet somehow the chameleon can? How's that logical?

Except I never stated chameleon would keep up with Ei, but rather would grab him and completely blindside him.​

I'm not "throwing Nagato's ability to use two Jutsus at same time out of the window" I'm taking into consideration that he has never shown the ability to use Preta Path and Shinra Tensei at the same time. Not only that but if he is blitzed by that speed he has nothing to suggest he would react fast enough to use shinra tensei. This the same guy who got blitzed by SM Naruto and Jiraiya despite have multiple pair of eyes on his side.

He doesn't have to show using Gakidō and Shinra Tensei as he already used two Rinnegan techniques at the same time(Gakidō and Ningendō).

Except, Dave Path was able to react to Sennin Mōdo Naruto and his Rasenshuriken....so, using his weaker and slower paths to downplay his speed is pointless.

Nagato won't have a difficult time when he already has both of his techniques ready.​

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At this the translation debate is irrelevant, but if you must know.
The manga stream say that Madara has to stop preta in order to stop the sand
Manga panda is saying that the Kage has to stop him from using preta path.

Okay, how does saying they need to stop him from using Gakidō any different than the where it states he has to stopping using t? They're both saying his Gakidō is active and that little detail is irrelevant.

It doesn't matter since Gakidō has again shown another proof of it's ability to absorb the sand when the sand in Madara's hand(when Gaara ripped him out Susanoo) was falling to the ground.​

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The manga panda translation makes no sense as it does not explain how the kages will stop Preta path nor Why Madara would stop, while Managstream gives the how(madara stopping the jutsu himself) and why(Gaara's sand is about to seal him)

Once again you're wrong on both points...Mei herself states the lighting mixed with the water dragon will numb his boy and dull his movements(hence stopping him from using Gakidō).

*********** basically states "stop his Jutsu", while Mangapanda states "stop you from absorbing the techniques"(both referring to Gakidō)

Mei: if the sand isn't enough, we'll have to stop you from absorbing the techniques...and the lighting mixed in with the water dragon bullet will numb your body, dulling your movements."

Ōnoki: That will leace an opening for my particle tecnique! Giving us plenty of time to seal you!​

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They are clearly two different statements. One is logical while the other isn't.
Anyway, did you see the thread? Am I wrong in saying that the sand wasn't effected by preta path?

I couldn't get to reading your thread, but I will sometime.​

 

[NarutoX28]

Ei's Physical Strength increased due to his sheer momentum increasing which is why the effect of his punch that he attempted to use on KCM Naruto was greater.

But it obviously does increase his physical strength as he amped up his Raiton Shroud prior to clashing with Bee's Lariat which is highly dependant on one's physical strength.

 

[solorflare99]

What are you going about? The mere fact that Hashirama wasn't able to use Shin Sūsenju even with active Sennin Mōdo is proof enough that Edos are weaker than their living counterparts....unless you happen to have a proof for that too?​

Why the hell would I claim V1=V2 at anything when the main point of my argument was to prove Ei's Lighting armor was amping he's physical strength....did you even look up the damage done by full power Ei when Naruto dodged him? The fact that Ei's Liger Bomb in V1 was only able to crack one of Sasuke's Susanoo ribcage and after going full power(V2) he was able to knock Sasuke's whole Ribcage Susanoo along with him(even after stopping in mid attack) is proof enough of his strength increasing.

Also, using an injured Sasuke who wasn't fully healed against his fight with Itachi as an example isn't much of a help to your argument.​

Implying the chameleon is moving as it's by Nagato's side and making any attempt to catch the chameleon is useless since Gaara's sand would be too late as both Ei and Ōnoki would be restrained before could help them.​

Except I never stated chameleon would keep up with Ei, but rather would grab him and completely blindside him.​

He doesn't have to show using Gakidō and Shinra Tensei as he already used two Rinnegan techniques at the same time(Gakidō and Ningendō).

Except, Dave Path was able to react to Sennin Mōdo Naruto and he's Rasenshuriken....so, using his weaker and slower paths to downplay his speed is pointless.

Nagato won't have a difficult time when he already has both of techniques ready.​

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Okay, how does saying they need to him from using Gakidō any different when that part states he can do it?

It doesn't matter since Gakidō has again shown another proof of it's ability to absorb the sand when the sand in Madara's hand(when Gaara ripped him out Susanoo) was falling to the ground.​

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Once again you're wrong on both points...Mei herself states the lighting mixed with the water dragon will numb his boy and dull his movements(hence stopping him from using Gakidō).

*********** basically states "stop his Jutsu", while Mangapanda states "stop you from absorbing the techniques"(both referring to Gakidō)

Mei: if the sand isn't enough, we'll have to stop you from absorbing the techniques...and the lighting mixed in with the water dragon bullet will numb your body, dulling your movements."

Ōnoki: That will leace an opening for my particle tecnique! Giving us plenty of time to seal you!​

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I couldn't get to reading your thread, but I will sometime./Indent]​

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Yeah your, right It isn't 100%, but It's still almost unnoticeable in most cases. Hashirama and Madara are gods among normal shinobi so It makes sense that their level of strength cannot be replicated, but they are the outliers, most even top tier like Itachi, Minato, and Nagato, haven't shown enough of a difference.

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Your claim of V2 isn't relevant to the discussion. I never stated that A needs V2 strength I said he needs his speed. In base he casually bus walls, In V2 he fast enough to dodge Amateratsu combine those two factors Nagato will not tank that attack.

"an injured Sasuke who wasn't fully healed against his fight with Itachi as an example isn't much of a help to your argument." Have some dignity, that is just grasping for straws. Is an injured sasuke fodder? Killer bee took that kick like he was fodder, but he sure isn't fodder now. Also is Juugo fodder now?

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Claiming that the chameleon will get to A before they can notice is bias and illogical. Your imply to things
1. That the Chameleon is faster than Gaara's sand
2. That Gaara wouldn't send out his sand the moment he sees an opponent go invisible.
You are overhyping this chameleon who has been wrecked by a sensor easily. The only reason Naruto got caught is because he senses emotion and the summons don't have emotions.

The chameleon isn't doing harm with Gaara on the team, I don't see why you think that Gaara who has taken on he can't see before and countered their abilities.

Yes he does have to show he can use shinra tensei while using preta path as they are two different jutsu's. Sure he used other paths but it isn't the same. Madara can use Deva Path and Susanoo at the same time but he can't Preta path and Susanoo.

How can one body have better reaction then the other when they all share the same eyes and one person is controlling all the bodies?
And didn't deva path get own by SM Naruto in close quarters combat? It's not as if SM Naruto or Jiraiya compare to A's speed lightened weight or normal.

Nagato will have a difficult time ass he will never know see the attack coming. By the time Nagato gets hit he will have lost composure not being able react at all from getting hit at such a speed.​

 

[solorflare99]

It doesn't matter since Gakidō has again shown another proof of it's ability to absorb the sand when the sand in Madara's hand(when Gaara ripped him out Susanoo) was falling to the ground.[/Indent][/FONT]

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Once again you're wrong on both points...Mei herself states the lighting mixed with the water dragon will numb his boy and dull his movements(hence stopping him from using Gakidō).

*********** basically states "stop his Jutsu", while Mangapanda states "stop you from absorbing the techniques"(both referring to Gakidō)

Mei: if the sand isn't enough, we'll have to stop you from absorbing the techniques...and the lighting mixed in with the water dragon bullet will numb your body, dulling your movements."

Ōnoki: That will leace an opening for my particle tecnique! Giving us plenty of time to seal you!​

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I couldn't get to reading your thread, but I will sometime.​

Incorrect, that doesn't prove anything
Here is my reply too others.

You have no counter for what I provided in the thread.
First that scan doesn't prove anything as you can only assume that preta made the sand fall. I can assume to, neither of use has Authority over one another in the matter. Kishi however does since this is his story. No where in the scan is it stated that Gaara sand could not be manipulated because of preta path, however with my "manga facts" it is confirmed preta path has no effect on the sand. It has been shown that it takes effort for Gaaara to releas his grip over sand so why would care to keep his grip on the sand when he was under the assumption that Naruto was going to take him out with Rasenshuriken. No where in that scan is it out right stated that the preta path loosened his grip on the sand. To ask "well why didn't just use the sand already on him." Plot. That is like asking why didn't Gaara just sink Madara or Gengestu's clam or almost any of his enemies in the desert. underground if could already manipulate the sand under Madara's feet or the fact that they are in a desert. Anybody would be crush and even Susanoo if Onoki adds weight to the desert sand, but that wouldn't advance the plot.
Confirmation(Me) > Assumption(You). I have proven it, you have only assumed.

Everyelse you are saying from that point I have countered in my other thread.

I mean really use logic. If he was really going to be numb by the lightning you are basically saying that ration chakra can pass the preta barrier. How can you say the sand gets absorbed when it learly didn't, yet believe pure lightning chakra doesn't?

 

[Apêx1]

I'll let Bob slide.

Ulisses is as natural as Mike O'Hearn. Fuark... Zyzz take's both tho. Nahh..he take's all.
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Cus Zyzz is natty, right? lmao