Healthy Nagato vs 5 Kage

[NarutoX28]

Should go for Bansho Tennin as well. Hmmm, but they would be pulled in by Chibaku since due to the density of it's core and the subsequent gravitational acceleration from this is to some extent greater than Earths gravitational constant----hence it is able to pull layers of objects off the ground. Even if Onooki made himself lighter he would still be pulled in since the force of this acceleration multiplies as you get closer to it's core. By the time he's able to resist the acceleration he'd be in physical contact with the core and crushed by the surrounding debris.



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Rethought the bold (extent). Since Chibaku-Tensei does not uproot deep layers of the earth then it's acceleration isn't all that greater than Earths gravitational constant so it shouldn't be a challenge for Onooki to reduce his weight to not be affected by it unless the apex of the Jutsu's ability to reduce gravity's effect is equivalent to Earths gravitational constant; but then again that depends on the size (entirely dependent on the Cores's density) of Chibaku tensei being used since this is a healthy Nagato who's performance should be succeed what was showcased during the Konoha invasion. Saying Onooki should be able to evade any Chibaku tensei would be placing the no limits fallacy on the Jutsu. ​

Damn, overcomplicating Naruto w/ Physics at it's finest.

 

[Waltz]

I've always been confused by Chibaku Tensei. At first I just assumed it was really dense thus pulling in objects, but that honesly doesn't make sense logically for many reasons. Things only got more complicated when Madara and sasuke used it. I have just come to the conclusion that it is an orb with Bansho tenin properties.

I'm made to think differently. Since Chibaku Tensei's size can vary but the orb remains the same it means that fueling the Jutsu with more chakra increases the Orbs density and thus produces a larger gravitational acceleration to attract more debris to it and thus a larger Chibaku Tensei. ​

 

[TRE MERCER]

Some more fail.

He was referring to the Jinton hitting him before he could use preta not the lightning Dragon. He used preta path on the lightning dragon before it hit him but Gaara sand still worked. Gaara uses the chakra in his body to control sand.
It's funny how much you underestimate the female kage.
1. Why do you keep saying Tsunade fight Cerberus? Clearly that is Mei's job.
2. None of these summoning even have the speed feets to suggest they would hit Mei or Tsunade.

Actually Madara was absorbing the sand and their techs. .

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. third scan of the left you can clearly see there elemental combo being absorbed inside of Madara he only stopped absorbing once his body became numb clearly. Gaara sand was absorbed so next. @RED- Thanks for the sig also if you believe that i see no reason to continue this debate with you. Kabuto controlls rocks via Muki tensei via him being able to use the nature energy and fuse it with the rocks and proceed to control them. Same things with Gaara he just controls sand via chakra link and Preta path can absorb that chakra link. You said Mei uses boil release if she does that then like i said the centipede surprises her from underground she isn't a sensor so she won't see it coming at all. What speed do either Mei or Tsunade have to suggest they'll be dodging the summonings?​

You're wanking FSST but it hasn't been shown without a slow start up. Even with the fact that he had to relocate and deactivate it was still a considerably long amount of time.

1. It's more than enough time for Gaara to make a shield big enough to defend a village and for Tsunade to summon Katsuya.
2. once he has used it he can't use deva path for an amount of time
3. Saying it was Deva and not Nagato's main body accomplishes nothing as He has no feats using the jutsu in his body. This means Deva Pain's limitations are also Nagato's.
4, FSST has big AoE but that doesn't mean anything when someone is defending 5 people. Look at the meteor it killed Madara in susanoo and an exhausted Gaara was able to defend that. AoE means nothing to Gaara's sand. Madara's Yasamagnata did a better job against Gaara's sand than Joki boi, despite Joki boi containing contents(water and oil) that were Gaara's weakness. Joki boy however had bigger AoE. So using AoE as an a feat towards his destructive capabilities doesn't mean much.

Nagato can use FSST just as fast as a regular ST. Pain took a while to use CT. Nagato just whipped it out and threw it without any prep. .

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. So i see no reason why he can't use FSST without prep. Gaara isn't making a shield big enough in that time because i just proved why Nagato uses it quickly. Tsunade using Katsuya means what??? A focused FSST turned the Gokage to dust Katsuya can't heal dust l00l. Deva limitations are Nagato limitations are faulty logic as i've just proved that with scan 2 above. That Meteor was weight down and that DC wasn't focused at all like Nagato FSST will be so once again another Irrelevant claim im not using Aoe as a feat it buried the entire leaf village in a hole. .

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. Now if all this force is focused at the Gokage there done for Gaara ins't saving shit.​

Are you really suggesting that Onoki can't use jinton while CT is going on -_-, you're grasping for straws. I don't even know how to take this serious. OK CT itself is moving Onoki not Onoki moving himself around,so he can still use jinton as wee have seen others use their jutsu. Aslong as he keeps his body still he can take out the core.

Summonings would only take up the time of Tsunade and Mei. Nagato still has to worry about Gaara's defence and Onoki and A's offence. That's 3 to 1. The pressure is still on Nagato.

Nagato's only chance is FSST and CT and those are countered.

It really is such a weak argument and says a lot about how much you pay attention to the argument. "FSST GG" as if done significant damage besides having a big Area of effect.

Yes once Jinton prep is interrupted Jinton cannot be used. Show me a scan of Oonoki using Jinton while moving. CT actually doesn't move everything in it's Aoe move stop being silly. All of them are dead or useless in battle if Nagato decides to use FSST simple. FSST hasn't been countered at all. Let's say it did take time Gaara doesn't have the reasourses to put up a defense strong enough to stop a focused FSST. Gaara in a village entirely made up of sand barely hand time to stop Deidara c3.​

 

[NarutoX28]

I'm made to think differently. Since Chibaku Tensei's size can vary but the orb remains the same it means that fueling the Jutsu with more chakra increases the Orbs density and thus produces a larger gravitational acceleration to attract more debris to it and thus a larger Chibaku Tensei. ​

The same could be said for Bansho Tenin whereas more chakra increases the attraction force of the attack.

It could function the same way, but it'd be very interesting if it functioned the way you presented.

 

[Waltz]

OT: I think the Kage will eventually take this match due to the Onooki + A combo... was wondering whether or not Nagato's reflexes and his entire body was being controlled by Kabuto during his confrontation with Itachi, Kirabi and Naruto but then I realized that Kabuto could not visually see what was taking place; the only thing he could do is utilize their chakra sensing abilities (which is what allowed him to know Itachi and Nagato were near Naruto and Bee) and in combat his control (at least for this case) was limited to making them use abilities on opponents and striking out personality with the Talisman if he needed to (he was surprised that Itachi had Sealed Nagato so I'm guessing that what he saw was:

-> The Edo-Tensei Itachi is utilizing his Susnao'o Jutsu + the part-jutsu Totsuka.
-> The Edo-Tensei Nagato's soul is fading away.)

Since he knew that Nagato's reflexes were poor he made him utilize the Kuchiyose as a means to use the Rin'nega's linked vision to compensate for it [

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] but his reflexes were so poor that he failed to dodge the obvious incoming attack from Itachi's obviously huge Susano'o. The Ay+Onooki combo isn't affected by their distance from the opponent because they are not affected by gravity and thus their incoming attacks are no different from firing a bullet in space. All it takes if for them to pinpoint Nagato once and break his neck with a lariat.​

The same could be said for Bansho Tenin whereas more chakra increases the attraction force of the attack.

It could function the same way, but it'd be very interesting if it functioned the way you presented.

Hmm..

I'm not sure if you're referring to SolorFlare99's post or the actual Jutsu but I'll address both.


"The attraction force of the attack increasing with the amount of chakra put into the Jutsu": Could be true only in one case...that is because of these two scans: [

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]. If what occurred here was: Nagato pulling that rock out of the bottom of that lake then it could be argued that the force is greater than Earths gravitational constant but what completely refutes this is the fact that we do not know where the rock originated from and even though Nagato may have pulled it through the surface of the water; that's still only changing the vector of the force of gravity on the rock from 'downwards" to "towards him".


@ SolorFlare99's post: That would be different. It should never work because as a Jutsu: Bansho Tennin requires the user to select the object to be 'pulled'. If the case was not so and if it was an orb with Bansho Tennin's properties it would either:

-> Never pull anything off the ground because the gravitational constant remains the same (standard) therefore canceling out and everything within that region (where it's trying to pull objects from earth) would float no matter the size of the orb.

-> Only be able to pull actual objects on the ground (not layers of the Earths crust) by changing the forces vector on these objects towards it's core. In this case it would never crush anything because there is no gravitational acceleration (only a constant) as an object approaches the core.

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[ComplexCity]

Since when did physical strength have anything to do with how far you get pushed back? The only way physical strength matters is if you are in a position where you can actually use that strength to oppose the incoming force. Otherwise they get pushed back the same time at the same rate.

Think he meant weight/mass

 

[solorflare99]

Actually Madara was absorbing the sand and their techs. .

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. third scan of the left you can clearly see there elemental combo being absorbed inside of Madara he only stopped absorbing once his body became numb clearly. Gaara sand was absorbed so next. @RED- Thanks for the sig also if you believe that i see no reason to continue this debate with you. Kabuto controlls rocks via Muki tensei via him being able to use the nature energy and fuse it with the rocks and proceed to control them. Same things with Gaara he just controls sand via chakra link and Preta path can absorb that chakra link. You said Mei uses boil release if she does that then like i said the centipede surprises her from underground she isn't a sensor so she won't see it coming at all. What speed do either Mei or Tsunade have to suggest they'll be dodging the summonings?​

Nagato can use FSST just as fast as a regular ST. Pain took a while to use CT. Nagato just whipped it out and threw it without any prep. .

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. So i see no reason why he can't use FSST without prep. Gaara isn't making a shield big enough in that time because i just proved why Nagato uses it quickly. Tsunade using Katsuya means what??? A focused FSST turned the Gokage to dust Katsuya can't heal dust l00l. Deva limitations are Nagato limitations are faulty logic as i've just proved that with scan 2 above. That Meteor was weight down and that DC wasn't focused at all like Nagato FSST will be so once again another Irrelevant claim im not using Aoe as a feat it buried the entire leaf village in a hole. .

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. Now if all this force is focused at the Gokage there done for Gaara ins't saving shit.​

Yes once Jinton prep is interrupted Jinton cannot be used. Show me a scan of Oonoki using Jinton while moving. CT actually doesn't move everything in it's Aoe move stop being silly. All of them are dead or useless in battle if Nagato decides to use FSST simple. FSST hasn't been countered at all. Let's say it did take time Gaara doesn't have the reasourses to put up a defense strong enough to stop a focused FSST. Gaara in a village entirely made up of sand barely hand time to stop Deidara c3.​

LOL now you are saying he absorbed the sand? You need to improve upon your reading comprehension. I'm surprise we are even having this debate when this chapter came out years ago.
OK so you are claiming he became numb. That isn't possible because he is using preta path. If he is using preta path then he couldn't have become numb, because he absorbed any and all ration chakra. He absorbed both suition and ration thus only the sand got through. It simple. Gaara sand isn't affected by Preta path and that is a manga fact.

Interesting I remember asking you for speed feats yet you are now asking me. Did it occur to that I would after you provided yours? Mei isn't a sensor but even someone who isn't a sensor can feel trembling from under ground. You are implying that a kage gets beat by a monster centipede. Are reading the same Manga as me?

Using that feat of Nagato vs Nagato and Bee is null, because before he used CT he absorb all 8 of Bee's V2 cloak. He clearly had far more chakra after that on top of infinite chakra in base.
Katsuya tanks FSST so she is their for more than healing. As Nagato fly's to whatever height he needs to. Gaara, Onoki and Katsuya can use their defence for the team. AoE is still the major factor. Look at A for example.
A used liger bomb on sasuke and it did major damage to the area around but it didn't do much to susanoo.
A with a lateral chop went through susanoo like butter. AoE means nothing against a solid defence. So it made a hole in the ground, so can a lot of jutsu, but just not as wide an area but still that doesn't make a difference to a solid defense. Hitiing the ground yet Gaara sand shield is hard harder than the ground. All this wanking over a featless FSST yet the one we did see had slow start up and was tanked by an exhausted Tsunade(without any sign of Katsuya helping her tank) and Ma toad. Claiming metoer wasn't focused yet killed countless ninja including Madara and made a shockwave so powerful it was felt at the shinobi headquarters. All FSST is a huge AoE with decent damage output per square feat. With the likes of Tsunade, Katsuya and Ma toad tanking it. Not so impressive. Also what is stopping any of them from flying above him?

You are asking me to show you a scan of Onoki while moving but that is irrelevant due to the circumstance. I can't show you a scan of him using it while Onoki is intentiollaly moving him self, but that isn't the case. As

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are doing they are using the jutsu as if they were stationary by standing on a platform. and Naruto can make a futon rasenshurinken which is a complicated jutsu to create, and Bee used Bijuu dama which is a complicated jutsu to use aswell. So clearly concentration isn't a deal, all Onoki has to do is get on a platform. If onoki can make jinton in scorching heat and sleep inducing powder than he can take out the core.


FSST has been countered you just haven't accepted it and choose to wank it based off of hype and AoE. Your argument relies on FSST and it isn't very reliable.

 

[Brooks]

Ei and Ōnoki's combo(Keijūgan no Jutsu) would still fall victim to Nagato's Gakidō as it's merely made from Chakra(which why Enton was able to go throw the armor and burn his arm).​

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Now, Nagato restrains both Ei and Ōnoki movement with Shuradō(hence stopping them from doing any damage like Bee) and with Keijūgan no Jutsu out of the way...they both die from a point blank Shinra Tensei(with no way to stop it) .​

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With speed and power out of the away...Nagato summons Giant Snake-Tailed Chameleon(goes invisible from the start and goes to attack Tsunade....as she is the hardest to kill with her healing ability and medical ninjutsu)...Nagato keeps the kages busy until Tsunade gets restrained by the summoning(don't start with it can't restrain Tsunade when it already did to KCM Naruto)...Nagato finishes off both Mei and Gaara with Chibaku Tensei and if someone happens to bring the argument of Mei's mist...know well this human Nagato and unlike path(Dave) there won't a 5 second limit.

Nagato then takes his sweet ass time and rips Tsunade's soul with Ningendō.​

 

[solorflare99]

Ei and Ōnoki's combo(Keijūgan no Jutsu) would still fall victim to Nagato's Gakidō as it's merely made from Chakra(which why Enton was able to go throw the armor and burn his arm).​

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Now, Nagato restrains both Ei and Ōnoki movement with Shuradō(hence stopping them from doing any damage like Bee) and with Keijūgan no Jutsu out of the way...they both die from a point blank Shinra Tensei(with no way to stop it) .​

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With speed and power out of the away...Nagato summons Giant Snake-Tailed Chameleon(goes invisible from the start and goes to attack Tsunade....as she is the hardest to kill with her healing ability and medical ninjutsu)...Nagato keeps the kages busy until Tsunade gets restrained by the summoning(don't start with it can't restrain Tsunade when it already did to KCM Naruto)...Nagato finishes off both Mei and Gaara with Chibaku Tensei and if someone happens to bring the argument of Mei's mist...know well this human Nagato and unlike path(Dave) there won't a 5 second limit.

Nagato then takes his sweet ass time and rips Tsunade's soul with Ningendō.​

You are implying that Nagato can even react to a lightened A. On top of that preta path wont help him when that attack sends him flying due to A's raw strength. Your vision of this battle fails from the start. Nothing suggest Nagato that Nagato can and preta path always leaves Nagato open to be attacked by Gaara's sand. Try to come up with a more foolproof plan. Also Gaara can easiliy take care of the chameleon.

 

[Brooks]

You are implying that Nagato can even react to a lightened A.

Why would he feel the need to react to it when Gakidō forms a barrier like around Nagato's body?

Their combo is absorbed the moment they come in contact with Gakidō.​

On top of that preta path wont help him when that attack sends him flying due to A's raw strength.

With Ei depowered....they both get restrained by Shuradō and get a face full off Shinra Tensei .​

Your vision of this battle fails from the start.

The only thing that failed here was your ability in thinking you could bring a decent debate to this argument.​

Nothing suggest Nagato that Nagato can

What?​

and preta path always leaves Nagato open to be attacked by Gaara's sand.

The Chakra in the Sand gets absorbed(not the sand itself).

Without any chakra in it....the sand basically becomes useless.​

Try to come up with a more foolproof plan.

To counter your weak argument? No, I think I'll be fine.​

Also Gaara can easiliy take care of the chameleon.

It's impossible as he's already face off against Nagato and worrying about Tsunade will only get him killed.​

 

[solorflare99]

Why would he feel the need to react to it when Gakidō forms a barrier like around Nagato's body?

Their combo is absorbed the moment they come in contact with Gakidō.​

With Ei depowered....they both get restrained by Shuradō and get a face full off Shinra Tensei .​

The only thing that failed here was your ability in thinking you could bring a decent debate to this argument.​

What?​

The Chakra in the Sand gets absorbed(not the sand itself).

Without any chakra in it....the sand basically becomes useless.​

To counter your weak argument? No, I think I'll be fine.​

It's impossible as he's already face off against Nagato and worrying about Tsunade will only get him killed.​

Wow we got another genius here.
Ok first you have no feats that suggest he can react.
Second you don't have any feats to suggest that he can take a hit from A with his raw strength or that he will even be able to follow up with a counter attack afterwards. With A depowered he still has the feat to casually bust walls with ease. Your arguments are fanfic.
Third "Without any chakra in it....the sand basically becomes useless." You pulled that out of your ass didn't you. How about you back up that claim. I have already provided proof that the sand goes through chakra. No where in the manga does it say that Gaara must infuse chakra in the sand to control it. Only the sand in his gourd has chakra and that is to make it stronger.

LOL my argument is weak but your argument has plenty of bias and false info in it.

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You say Nagato can deal with ration armor and weight altering jutsu, but what you don't consider is A's Raw strength.
Gaara's sand goes through preta path and has even done so in the manga.
Your argument has plenty of holes in it.

 

[Brooks]

Wow we got another genius here.
Ok first you have no feats that suggest he can react.

Barrier=/=Reacting? I was unaware I stated Nagato needed to move to stop their combo.​

Second you don't have any feats to suggest that he can take a hit from A with his raw strength

I never stated he could take a hit from Ei...so, I don't see the need to bring up an irrelevant detail to the argument.​

or that he will even be able to follow up with a counter attack afterwards.

As a well experience Rinnegan user...Nagato can take absorb and attack at the same time.​

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^Gakidō and Ningendō at the same time.​

With A depowered he still has the feat to casually bust walls with ease. Your arguments are fanfic.

Good luck with your wall feat when Shuradō restrained Bee.​

Third "Without any chakra in it....the sand basically becomes useless." You pulled that out of your ass didn't you. How about you back up that claim. I have already provided proof that the sand goes through chakra. No where in the manga does it say that Gaara must infuse chakra in the sand to control it. Only the sand in his gourd has chakra and that is to make it stronger.

It's been proven Gakidō can absorb the sand if you look at Madara's hand and Mei's statement.​

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LOL my argument is weak but your argument has plenty of bias and false info in it.

Why would my argument make me biased and not you?​

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You say Nagato can deal with ration armor and weight altering jutsu, but what you don't consider is A's Raw strength.

I already counter that argument.​

Gaara's sand goes through preta path and has even done so in the manga.
Your argument has plenty of holes in it.

Already posted the facts to pack up my statement.​

 

[solorflare99]

Barrier=/=Reacting? I was unaware I stated Nagato needed to move to stop their combo.​

I never stated he could take a hit from Ei...so, I don't see the need to bring up an irrelevant detail to the argument.​

As a well experience Rinnegan user...Nagato can take absorb and attack at the same time.​

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^Gakidō and Ningendō at the same time.​

Good luck with your wall feat when Shuradō restrained Bee.​

It's been proven Gakidō can absorb the sand if you look at Madara's hand and Mei's statement.​

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Why would my argument make me biased and not you?​

I already counter that argument.​

Already posted the facts to pack up my statement.​

If Nagato does not move then he is getting hit by A. Preta path isn't slowing down A's punch thus he will hit him. A's chakra shroud won't get past the but his fist will. The only thing Preta path is stopping in the offensively is the added weight to A's fist. Their nothing that suggest that Nagato who is a the mercy of V2 A's speed, A's strength, and being vulnerable due to preta path. Yeah he's getting wrecked by A's strike.

He need's to be able to counter attack after he gets hit which is the feat I'm asking for. The feat you showed me was not one of him actually getting hit.

Using ashura path restrain bee means nothing to the raikage as the raikage is not only fast, but Bee wasn't even using body flicker. Nagato could see his attack from a mile away.

Sorry but your wrong about the sand, but I won't blame your reading comprehension skills entirely as those are bad translations.
First here are better ones.

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Second, bad translation don't excuse why you didn't realize that the sand is building up. First you see sand on his arm then covering most of his hand then his entire body. If I understand chronological order correctly then that means the sand control was working during preta path

 

[Brooks]

If Nagato does not move then he is getting hit by A. Preta path isn't slowing down A's punch thus he will hit him. A's chakra shroud won't get past the but his fist will. The only thing Preta path is stopping in the offensively is the added weight to A's fist. Their nothing that suggest that Nagato who is a the mercy of V2 A's speed, A's strength, and being vulnerable due to preta path. Yeah he's getting wrecked by A's strike.

Edo Nagato(whose ability is weaker than a living Nagato since Edos are weaker than the original...was able to absorb Bee's V2 completely after he got hit)...Ei wouldn't get anywhere near Nagato as he would completely out chakra and would be in base form by that time. There also the fact Nagato could summon Giant Snake-Tailed Chameleon before hand and go invisible, then launches a surprise attack on both them when they're in close range.​

He need's to be able to counter attack after he gets hit which is the feat I'm asking for. The feat you showed me was not one of him actually getting hit.

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^Would this do or did you need something else?​

Using ashura path restrain bee means nothing to the raikage as the raikage is not only fast, but Bee wasn't even using body flicker. Nagato could see his attack from a mile away.

What good is speed going to do for you when you're already in the hands of your enemy and depowered state on top of that?

And what's so impressive about Ei's Shunshin no Jutsu without his Lighting armor?​

Sorry but your wrong about the sand, but I won't blame your reading comprehension skills entirely as those are bad translations.
First here are better ones.

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Second, bad translation don't excuse why you didn't realize that the sand is building up. First you see sand on his arm then covering most of his hand then his entire body. If I understand chronological order correctly then that means the sand control was working during preta path

How did you come to the consolation that my translation was wrong? It's not like it matters as they basically stated the same thing.

Mei: "If he wants to get rid of the sandthen he just to stop his jutsu. Of course...if he does, the electric water bullets will paralyze him."

They were basically waiting for him absorb it, which is why Ōnoki was preparing for Jinton...then there also the fact they used Raiton and Suiton on top of the sand to paralyze him when he gets out.

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[solorflare99]

Edo Nagato(whose ability is weaker than a living Nagato since Edos are weaker than the original...was able to absorb Bee's V2 completely after he got hit)...Ei wouldn't get anywhere near Nagato as he would completely out chakra and would be in base form by that time. There also the fact Nagato could summon Giant Snake-Tailed Chameleon before hand and go invisible, then launches a surprise attack on both them when they're in close range.​

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^Would this do or did you need something else?​

What good is speed going to do for you when you're already in the hands of your enemy and depowered state on top of that?

And what's so impressive about Ei's Shunshin no Jutsu without his Lighting armor?​

How did you come to the consolation that my translation was wrong? It's not like it matters as they basically stated the same thing.

Mei: "If he wants to get rid of the sandthen he just to stop his jutsu. Of course...if he does, the electric water bullets will paralyze him."

They were basically waiting for him absorb it, which why Ōnoki was preparing for Jinton...then there also the fact they used Raiton and Suiton on top of the sand to paralyze him when he gets out.

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First Edos being weaker then the alive version is a Myth.
I'm aware that preta path will absorb the ration armor but here is where the problem lies.
Killer bee's attack is much slower, keeps the opponent close to his body prior to the initial blow, and relies on the chakra cloak, while A is much faster, the moment he touches his opponent is the moment the attack has accomplished it's goal, and the attack doesn't rely on the chakra cloak, but A's actual body. Killer bee had the attack he was using absorbed, and yes the cloak is a huge part of the attack, he even refer's to it as his eighth sword.
No surprise attack by chameleon thanks to Gaara.

The speed of A only goes away after V2 is deactivated however by the time his Raiton armor is deactivated he would have already hit Nagato so why he have to worry about being in the hands of his enemy when he just sent him flying.

Manga stream's translation are generally better than Manga panda, and it's pretty evident here as it actually make sense. If you want we can get Viz manga translation.

and I made a thread about why Gaara's sand can pass preta path.

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[Apêx1]

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Can't get pass Sennin Modo increasing the durability of the body and it's constructs (as I'm quite sure a Kunai slice would cut any Human SM user as it would in Base) and the strong confusion between 'Shinra Tensei' and 'Wind'.



The Jutsu reduces the effect of earths gravitational constant on the target and may do so to the point that they are not affected by it.



The force of Gravity is constantly pulling all objects on the Earth towards it; Shinra Tensei simply redirects a portion of this force in a repulsive manner towards the target. The larger the Shinra tensei is the larger the portion of the force that is being redirected but it doesn't change the gravitational constant.

Utilizing any version of Shinra-Tensei on Ay and Onooki would be no different to shifting the vector position of the force of Earths gravitational constant against a bubble from 'downwards' to 'upwards'; it will fall at the same rate but in the opposite direction: However, Ay and Onooki are lighter than a bubble----that is----light enough to not be affected by earths gravitational constant so the effect would be none. ​

This is wrong because you are assuming that the gravity constant is comparable to Shinra Tensei's repulsive force. But Nagato's Shinra Tensei could destroy a large section of the forest when used on Bee. More so, Nagato as shown the ability to increase the repulsive force of his Shinra Tensei against the Toad Trio. He used one which got stopped by their large mass, but a powered Shinra Tensei had them flying 100 meters back. So as far as I can tell Onoki+Ay are only unaffected by normal gravity's attractive force, but Nagato's Shinra Tensei's repulsive force is far greater then gravity's constant attractive force and thus will still have a large effect on lightweight Onoki and Ay.

 

[Raykyryn]

Onoki could pinpoint the exact moment of casting his jutsu on Ay before their combo could hit Madara meaning the said combo wasn't that much fast as Onoki could mentally react in a form. It is only thanks to Mei's hidden mist that Madara wasn't capable of reacting to it. But Nagato has his own methods to deal with the mist in the second it appears.

Regardless, the gokake wins this match lets say mid-high diff.

 

[Waltz]

This is wrong because you are assuming that the gravity constant is comparable to Shinra Tensei's repulsive force. But Nagato's Shinra Tensei could destroy a large section of the forest when used on Bee. More so, Nagato as shown the ability to increase the repulsive force of his Shinra Tensei against the Toad Trio. He used one which got stopped by their large mass, but a powered Shinra Tensei had them flying 100 meters back. So as far as I can tell Onoki+Ay are only unaffected by normal gravity's attractive force, but Nagato's Shinra Tensei's repulsive force is far greater then gravity's constant attractive force and thus will still have a large effect on lightweight Onoki and Ay.

Then you didn't understand my post. The gravitational constant of Earth is the physical constant of Gravity's force on earth. According to the Databook excerpt; Shinra Tensei uses gravity as a repulsive force against the opponent by shifting the vector of the force towards them in a repulsive manner. What Nagato did against Naruto and company only expresses that: Nagato used gravity as a repulsive force towards the desired target and everything within that region was affected. Since the jutsu is ran on chakra as any Jutsu it therefore means that the more Chakra fueled into the Jutsu means the greater portion of the force of gravity that can be utilized. ​

The number of targets that can be repelled and their size are irrelevant . In addition by stopping the utilization of other Pain paths the amount of chakra put in the jutsu, its strength and area of effect can be greatly increased.

Shinra tensei is earths gravity used in a repulsive manner and it is made repulsive by changing the vector of the force from it's natural position to either towards the target (Shinra tensei) or towards the user (Bansho Tenin). ​

 

[Apêx1]

Then you didn't understand my post. The gravitational constant of Earth is the physical constant of Gravity's force on earth. According to the Databook excerpt; Shinra Tensei uses gravity as a repulsive force against the opponent by shifting the vector of the force towards them in a repulsive manner. What Nagato did against Naruto and company only expresses that: Nagato used gravity as a repulsive force towards the desired target and everything within that region was affected. Since the jutsu is ran on chakra as any Jutsu it therefore means that the more Chakra fueled into the Jutsu means the greater portion of the force of gravity that can be utilized. ​

Shinra tensei is earths gravity used in a repulsive manner and it is made repulsive by changing the vector of the force from it's natural position to either towards the target (Shinra tensei) or towards the user (Bansho Tenin). ​

1. Where did you get that Shinra Tensei shifts the vector of earth's gravity towards its opponent in a repulsive manner? He's creating his own gravitational field.

2. It doesn't change anything because Onoki is not immune to any amount of Gravity. He is immune to the gravity which is working upon him regularly because of his lowered mass. Adding more gravity would result in him being affected as the minimum mass would decrease as the gravity affecting him increases. The earth's gravity cannot do what Nagato's Shinra Tensei does because the earth's attractive force is dramatically lesser then Nagato's repulsive force [

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]. So they'd be effected unless you think Nagato's Shinra Tensei uses a gravitational force as weak as that which works on you continuously.

 

[Oblivionx]

kages should win... they have the advantage of numbers... thus will overwhelm nagato just like how naruto, bee and itachi did...
nagato had his hands full with bee and naruto and itachi capitalized...
same thing will happen here... lightened Ay being too fast... and nagato doesn't has susano which was madara's main force despite rinnegan as rinnegan can't protect against taijutsu & certain other jutsus...