Healthy Itachi. He has so much hype than Prime Hiruzen has.
Fan hype only.
Lol. ^this.
Itachi was not always sick and at least we saw him fight at some points when he wasn't coughing up blood. Hiruzen on the other hand has never been shown fighting when he was younger...Prime Hiruzen is all hype with no basis...he really is fanfic. Itachi takes him.
U_U
The basis is Kishimoto's intent.
Based on your logic, Itachi takes Kaguya too.
Wow. That indirect insult to a drawing. And all of that hypocrisy. Lol
-Edos don't have unlimited chakra. Hence why Edo Minato, during the war stated that he ran out of chakra and could not save Naruto from the tree.
-Edos do not come back at full power. A healthy version of the individual alive is much better than an Edo version of them. The only real way that Edos are better is buffering, in the case of people who use suicide techs, because they can just keep coming back (Deidara can just repeatedly blow himself up & take others out around him for a span of kilometers & Chiyo could keep bringing people back to life, etc). Not the best for Itachi.
-Yes, he didn't beat Bee. However, he did match his movements and he blitzed him once. Luckily Bee noticed though. He also matched KCM Naruto's movements as well. Also, Itachi had a talk with Naruto and was leaving...then he noticed that Bee and Naruto were in trouble and went right away to go and help. He didn't "hide like a coward and ambush Nagato". He did the smart thing and took out Nagato's shared vision first, then intercepted his attempt to suck out their souls. It would have been coward-like if he left them there, saving them isn't very coward-like to me. Neither is being the main attacker, that's pretty brave.
-Yeah, because Itachi needed Kisame's help to fight Kakashi...no wait, he didn't.
Kakashi came in to the fight and initiated the combat against Itachi. Then, Kurenai attempted to help. It was 2v1. Just because Kurenai was foolish does not mean that it was her fault that Kakashi did that poorly. If the others had not been there, the fight would have ended the same regardless.
-In regard to the Tsukiyomi, by your logic everything in this story is Pnj. The story has a plot to it, there is no such thing as "plot no jutsu" and that's just a term that fans come up with when they cannot accept what really occured. Not every win for a character is just "pnj". Kakashi has shown some slight arrogance in his battles before. Even if he hadn't looked at Itachi's eyes, he would have lost. At least he improved quite a bit from pt1 to pt2.
-Madara said Edo Tenseis have unlimited chakra. It may not be in infinite pool that they can draw from, but they will never reach 0.
-How do they not come back at full power? They retain all of their knowledge, skills, jutsus, and chakra pools don't seem to suffer. So what's left? Are they not as strong or fast? By what measure can you say that they are "much" better?
Being an Edo was actually the best thing for Itachi, his health and eyes were completely restored yet still retained MS mastery, and regeneration and numbness also helped with things such as Susanoo's drawbacks. It was almost like he had pseudo EMS and pseudo Izanagi.
-Bee did notice and was fast enough to react, which meant Itachi's blitz was unsuccessful.
Naruto was weakened, having just split his Bijuu chakra 12 ways, and Naruto was trying to talk with Itachi about Sasuke. Naruto never used his yellow flash speed, and was clearly holding back his punches since one strike from him made Kisame spit blood and go flying and he could hold open a Bijuu's mouth.
Itachi hid the whole time while Naruto and Bee were wrestling with Nagato, then Itachi took out Nagato's Shared Vision while hiding and ambushed Nagato while he literally had his hands full. Itachi wasn't standing shoulder to shoulder with Naruto and Bee against Nagato like a warrior, he left them in harm's way while he waited.
-Kisame was keeping Asuma busy, so it wasn't 3 on 1. Kakashi came in and saved Kurenai from Kakashi and helped Asuma against Kisame. It was 3 vs. 2... sort of, neither Asuma or Kurenai helped Kakashi against Itachi, and Kisame didn't help Itachi against Itachi, and they fought fairly evenly which is what prompted Itachi to resort to Tsukiyomi. Now I'm not saying Kakashi would had won, but you are over embellishing the scenario.
-Can you explain for what possible reason Kakashi decided to have a staring contest with Itachi
knowing that Itachi was going to use Tsukiyomi and how powerful it was? Where in the manga has it portrayed Kakashi to be a stupid person? Plot no Jutsu is used to explain what doesn't make sense and can really only happen because it was forced to against a natural flow. You know, like Sasuke summoning Manda while having almost no chakra, using genjutsu on him, jumping in his mouth, and unsummoning him all while in the nano-seconds before Deidara's explosion traveled a couple feet to incinerate Sasuke. PnJ... or does that actually make sense?
I base my claim by what we have seen in the manga and Danzo's and Kakashi's and others' claims about Itachi's genjutsu prowess.
Itachi's whole battle style is based on it. He can cast powerful(not Tsukuyomi-level) genjutsus from his fingers.
He can distract you with shuriken and if you look into Itachi's crows you get hit by a genjutsu.
He put Orochimaru under a genjutsu just by looking at one of his snakes(connected to Oro)
Orochimaru has a 5 genjutsu in the databook, and got humiliated by a 3-tomoe genjutsu, what can hiruzen do to avoid getting trapped in a genjutsu, or even get out of it? Much less get out of Tsukuyomi.
Old hiruzen isnt even worth debating, while prime Hiruzen is stronger, we have not seen any feats of him which can counter Itachi's eye prowess.
So powerful than someone like Naruto that had poor chakra control and no experience fighting a genjutsu user was able to resist it? Not that impressive. It may be Itachi's whole combat style, but that doesn't really make it any more effective than a combat style based around ninjutsu or taijutsu, either. If it were so hax, then Hiruzen or anyone else would instantly lose against a genjutsu user like Shii or Kurenai. That's clearly not the case.
You're mistaken, Itachi's crows do not cast genjutsu.
Uhh... no he didn't. Orochimaru tried to soul transfer and Itachi managed to stun him with genjutsu. Which by the way was supposed to be a paralyzing genjutsu, but Orochimaru resisted it and was going to break it.
A genjutsu score measures one's ability to use genjutsu, not combat it.
Hiruzen can avoid eye contact with Itachi, and deal with the finger genjutsu better than Naruto did. Tsukiyomi involves avoiding eye contact, and even then it can be resisted or possible broken with willpower.
