Healthy 3T Itachi VS Konoha Kunoichi
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You're right. I really know little about Uchiha..especially Itachi. I had just assumed since he has awakened MS he has already acquired the body feats(speed and what nots) and doesn't necessarily need to have MS activated to use them.lol you know nothing of itachi. All of his speed feats were done with 3T not MS, also itachi =/= 3t users. he casually solo'ed 3 of the elite uchiha officers with just 3T and called out his clan for being weaklings and last but not least, his explosion clone is the shadow clone. hinata's byakugan is not figuring that out, the reason kakashi did is because the clone was transformed as kakashi. obviously he would know it's a cloneand even if wasn't, it still fooled kurenai.
as for big breast, tsunade is half senju and she only manged to get a plus on madara because he clearly held back was focused on the other kages. also what is with the lack of genjutsu in your scenerio? and even if CQC with tsunade or sakura, itachi's IQ would know to easily avoid them and take out hinata with a clone (which alone is strong enough to fight the other females)
A scan of the elite Uchiha officers he soloed?
@bold is wrong, kurenai doen't have a sharingan or byakugan and his explosive clone is not a shadow clone.
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In this scan Kurenai made us believe the Itachi behind Kakashi was a kagebunshin..but that didn't happen to be the case in the very next scan..
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Turned out the Itachi she thought was a kagebunshin was actually the real Itachi and the one she thought was the real Itachi was actually an explosive clone. Kakashi even calls it a copy.
True.. Tsunade is half senju but that doesn't mean anything. Naruto is half uzumaki but he has the full Uzumaki traits. Same with Shikamaru whose mother wasn't in the war(confirmed by Shikaku btw). Shikamaru is half Nara but has full Nara traits..same can be said of Chouji and Ino i believe. Tsunade has the strong life force that comes with being a Senju as seen here [
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] She's bisected without Byakugou on. She should be dead but is able to hang on because of her life force.She's a Senju and has a 5 in taijutsu..you can't go around this.
A clone is defeated pretty easily btw..Hinata tells Temari it's one and she blows it away + Tenten with her weapons. Itachi can't continue to avoid Sakura and Tsunade. The fight will go no where don't you think. he'll have to engage them at some point.
The lack of genjutsu is because there are 3 kunoichi that can at least counter a 3 tomoe one. Kurenai has shown she can, Hinata because of byakugan can tell when anyone is caught in one and Tsunade herself can counter it anyway. The fact Tsunade can sleep and not lose her transformation shows how aware she is with her chakra.
Team Kunoichi take this mid diff imo.
LoZelda101
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Well I'll be damned. I was sure I made it clear I know little about Itachi?
The scans I brought proves Kurenai's initial assessment was wrong. She was about to use the Kunai on the Itachi she thought was real before Kakashi saved her.
If I'm wrong and it is a shadow clone, how was kakashi able to tell? Well the Sharingan can see chakra at least and obviously for a suicide bombing to occur the clone will need more chakra or at least channel more chakra which the byakugan can see.
Ino can also distinguish as she has shown Karin level chakra sensory skills.
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In the second scan she's able to at least get a single analysis about the hearts (chakra) when the Elite Kakashi and genius Shikamaru couldn't. [
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]Except you can prove to me the explosive clones even if they are kagebunshin don't need chakra to explode then I stand by my point explosive clones are basically useless here. Team Kunoichi overwhelm still.
And not that you should care but LoZelda-chan bring the points and scans when you are debating. You've already done this when bringing the points you did with Icelerate. When you resort to abuses...It shows insecurities and if I were to be a troll you'll have only invited me to troll you more.
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LoZelda101
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Honestly I stopped reading after the clone part you posted, anyway, i'm the dumbass here. didn't realize itachi basically switched himself with the clone somehow. that speed is immense, honestly only increases my faith he could win this debate. as for the clone stuff, you probably right. i'm currently right now trying to ask others if they know what it is. originally I thought it was a water clone, but later shadow clone.
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Forbidden Technique
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Kurenai? 3T Sharingan sees right through genjutsu. Just like Sasuke saw through Cee's.
OT: Itachi gracefully takes them all out one by one.
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Forbidden Technique
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That's not accurate with what Itachi said [
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]. I think Itachi wins that one too, of course.
Your interpretation is too literal.
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The peaceful Kunoichi who combines wit and beauty, leads astray with her Genjutsu
The Kunoichi has a firm aloofness...and is referred to as 'image', Kakashi's banter causes her cheeks to blush, making her
unexpectedly except her usual purity. She excels in genjutsu, catching Itachi with it, a game between their equal genjutsu
skills developed.
"It ends with this"
Ninja Registration: 010881
Birthday: June 11th (28 Gemini)
Height: 169.1cm weight: 54.4kg, b/t: AB
Personality: Unyielding, honest and simple
Likes: Soju, Vodka, salted Octopus, Taking a glass of wine at night(or dinner)
Dislikes: Cake
Specialties: Types of Genjutsu
The peaceful Kunoichi who combines wit and beauty, leads astray with her Genjutsu
The Kunoichi has a firm aloofness...and is referred to as 'image', Kakashi's banter causes her cheeks to blush, making her
unexpectedly except her usual purity. She excels in genjutsu, catching Itachi with it, a game between their equal genjutsu
skills developed.
"It ends with this"
You're basically arguing that Itachi was never caught by the genjutsu as it had no effect on him as per his statement. Yet the databook goes on to say a game developed between their genjutsu skills which wouldn't have been possible if Kurenai never caught Itachi in the first place.
Forbidden Technique
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I am going to take the manga as a far more credible source here, as we normally do when both sources conflict. Kurenai uses genjutsu, Itachi immediately sees right through it, and reverses it on her.
When the genjutsu was initiated, Itachi was
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. When it was reversed and ended, Itachi was facing the opposite direction and away from his original position [
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]. Meaning, he was never effected and bound by Kurenai's genjutsu, as he actually stated. If there was ever a point that Itachi and Kisame were bound by Kuranai's genjutsu, then I'm sure Asuma would of capitalized on it. He did nothing, and Kisame made the first strike after the fact. I don't even know why you'd reference the DB as a credible source when it's stating that Itachi and Kurenai were having an equally matched game of genjutsu.
The manga shows this
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which means Itachi was under genjutsu. I would take a clear cut image over some translated text any day especially when backed by the databook. I do agree he reversed it in an instant so I take back what I said about the team capitalizing on the opportunity much like how Asuma couldn't take advantage against Kisame. Itachi's final position is still a genjutsu. The databook didn't claim that their game was evenly matched. It stated their genjutsu skills were equal and that a game developed. There is no contradiction in the databook. Also look at what Blazing Storm (Kuro Ashi) posted.
Sakura alone could take him. She was fast enough to evade Jubi's hand and blitz Kaguya, which no matter how much you hate her character, doesn't downplay her feat. That being said, Itachi's Shunshin feats are invalid when his opponent could react to something faster than that. Itachi's arsenal can't damage Sakura, and his Genjutsu is meaningless against a medical ninja who developed avoiding eye-contact strategy. Sakura can either outlast him or kill him with Chakra Scrapel or Katsuya's acid.
Forbidden Technique
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What you're saying doesn't even make sense, Ice. The manga page you linked proves Itachi was under genjutsu, but then you go on to say he reversed it in an instant? Those two statements don't correlate. This isn't a time manipulation genjutsu... What you linked took seconds of real world time to transpire. Meaning if Itachi was caught by the genjutsu throughout those manga panels (and the page prior), Asuma would of had enough time to capitalize on it. What we're seeing on that page you linked is Kurenai's perception of what is going on while being under genjutsu, and Itachi not making it apparent to her until the following page. Hence why in that very page he was in his
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, and then all the sudden in a
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. We don't see him move in the genjutsu, when in reality he did. Which is concise with what he said... The genjutsu had no effect on him. He saw through it from the beginning and countered it. Their genjutsu skills are no where near equal, which should be obvious. And you can hardily even call it a game, when Itachi effortlessly countered it.
Not much time passed in the real world, that is what I meant by instant. Itachi tried capitalizing on putting Kurenai under genjutsu yet she broke out and evaded Itachi's kunai slash. I'm pretty sure Kisame got broken out when Itachi reversed the genjutsu so I see him reacting even easier to Asuma. Your interpretation goes against both databook entries which were posted. Itachi ended up moving after escaping the genjutsu. Exactly, Itachi saw through the genjutsu from the beginning and then countered it.
If two people have a game, it doesn't mean they were evenly matched. If I play Call of duty and own the opponent with a Kill to death ratio of 10:1, we still had a game nonetheless. How is it obvious that Itachi is far above Kurenai when it comes to pure genjutsu skill? Itachi stomped her because of sharingan but take that away and you have equal prowess in that field.
You're basically claiming your personal interpretation of the manga that goes against the databook is better than my interpretation which is backed by the databook.
Forbidden Technique
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@ bold, you're not being concise. You can not claim that Itachi was under genjutsu
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, but then go and state the bolded. My interpretation is based on what the manga shows and what is stated, which conflicts with your DB sources. If you find the DB to be more credible than the manga, fine.