He power gap between Naruto & Sasuke was embarrassing..

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Sasuke gained Lees speed in only one month.Is it so hard to believe Sasukes speed naturally increased. :coffee:
exactly. if he can show that much progress within a month then how much more 2 and a half years with a genius saanin as his teacher and his personal motivation to kill his bro growing ever stronger? of course he would improve tremendously.
 
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Well I may be called a Naruto fan but I won't make a biased statement against any character because of that. I've always stated what I believe is possible or has happened in the manga that's all. Its you who need to step out of your fanfics.
I havent seen you post a scan or say anything close to intelligent since stepping into this thread. Calm your tits and prove your stance with the non-fanfic material you boast you are capable of providing. :coffee:
exactly. if he can show that much progress within a month then how much more 2 and a half years with a genius saanin as his teacher and his personal motivation to kill his bro growing ever stronger? of course he would improve tremendously.
Agreed. But Naruto fanlobby would say that everything you just said is fanfic and doesn't coincide with the manga. Look at what Oro said about Sasuke.

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Oro says Sasukes genius makes him look pitiful. The guy who blows Kakashi out of the water in terms of intelligence and being a prodigy, but in some other thread idiots are arguing about Sasukes genius ability. Embarrassing.
 
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I havent seen you post a scan or say anything close to intelligent since stepping into this thread. Calm your tits and prove your stance with the non-fanfic material you boast you are capable of providing. :coffee:
If you call fapping your fav character intelligent, then no I am not intelligent. As for the scans and panels you talk of, I've provided plenty as and when required. Maybe your intelligence failed to comprehend them...:coffee:
 

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Pretty much. The guy was a dead last without Kurama helping with each and everything. It even cut down the SM training recovery period. But I am sure his annoying fans would deny it:

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Pathetic, really. He didn't learn a single thing on his own without falling on Kurama like a decrepit old man does on a wheelchair.
He learned how to become a better person and to never give up.

look at him now. He got everything he's ever wanted and more. All the reliance you claim of would not have gotten him far without his nindo and dedication

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Past Present and Future generations: He's influenced them all
 
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If you call fapping your fav character intelligent, then no I am not intelligent. As for the scans and panels you talk of, I've provided plenty as and when required. Maybe your intelligence failed to comprehend them...:coffee:
Exactly how am i fapping you are being ridiculous.
This is the 4th time I asked you to provide scans to describe your stance and you failed to do so. Who are trying to impress here?
 

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Exactly how am i fapping you are being ridiculous.
This is the 4th time I asked you to provide scans to describe your stance and you failed to do so. Who are trying to impress here?
Isn't it obvious. As I said I'll provide them when I feel its required, however you're free to request a 5th, 6th...... time if you want.
 

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Yall are saying 3 tomoe sasuke has better genjutsu feats than itachi??Please someone send me a scan of sasuke 3 tomoe sharingan genjutsu feats that are above itachis genjutsu. Dont worry i'll wait!!!!
Itachi would put u in a genjutsu with 1 finger without you even knowing. Sasuke at the beginning of shippuden had no feats in genjutsu of that level. What are yall sniffing!!!
 

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Pretty much. The guy was a dead last without Kurama helping with each and everything. It even cut down the SM training recovery period. But I am sure his annoying fans would deny it:

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Pathetic, really. He didn't learn a single thing on his own without falling on Kurama like a decrepit old man does on a wheelchair.
Pathetic, really. Lets look at some facts.

It's true the 9 tails does help Naruto recover faster when it comes to chakra amount, but it's also true the amount of chakra a person possess has nothing to do with skills. In fact the manga stated the 9 tails makes it harder for Naruto to use his chakra. That means Naruto had to work harder than anybody else in the manga because his powers were always being held back. That just proves how impressive Naruto truly is because every single jutsu Naruto learned he had to work harder than normal to achieve. Remember when Pa frog tried to merge with Naruto and the 9 tail interfered. That's what the 9 tails was doing to Naruto his entire life, interfering with his ability to control chakra.

It's extremely difficult for a Jin to learn how to control the tail beast power. The tail beast charka doesn't teach Naruto how to handle or control it's chakra. Remember what happened when the 9 tail chakra touched Sakura. If he didn't have the skills to control or handle the chakra he would have never became a perfect jin.

The 9 tails actually hurt Naruto more than help him. The 9 tails is the reason Naruto didn't have parents to guide or train him outside the academy like Sasuke and other ninjas in his class. It's the reason Naruto didn't have a place to go to gain knowledge of his clan like Sasuke. It's the reason his chakra was more difficult to control. Those are the reason Naruto was last in his academy class.

What I find funny about Naruto's academy days is he was able to take the genin exam before anybody else, including Sasuke. If Naruto was really unskilled like so many claim he shouldn't have been allowed to take the genin exam before anybody else in his class. That proves Naruto was more skilled than everybody else in his class because for him to take it he had to be ready. Since nobody else took it that mean they weren't ready. The reason Naruto failed the genin exam was because of his inability to control chakra. The 9 tails was the reason for that.

In reality Naruto learned a lot on his own. The 9 tail holding Naruto back shouldn't be considered as help. If you were running a race and an opponent was holding on to you to slow you down you would considered that help.
 

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He learned how to become a better person and to never give up.

look at him now. He got everything he's ever wanted and more. All the reliance you claim of would not have gotten him far without his nindo and dedication
Past Present and Future generations: He's influenced them all
I wonder.

Pathetic, really. Lets look at some facts.

It's true the 9 tails does help Naruto recover faster when it comes to chakra amount, but it's also true the amount of chakra a person possess has nothing to do with skills. In fact the manga stated the 9 tails makes it harder for Naruto to use his chakra. That means Naruto had to work harder than anybody else in the manga because his powers were always being held back. That just proves how impressive Naruto truly is because every single jutsu Naruto learned he had to work harder than normal to achieve. Remember when Pa frog tried to merge with Naruto and the 9 tail interfered. That's what the 9 tails was doing to Naruto his entire life, interfering with his ability to control chakra.

It's extremely difficult for a Jin to learn how to control the tail beast power. The tail beast charka doesn't teach Naruto how to handle or control it's chakra. Remember what happened when the 9 tail chakra touched Sakura. If he didn't have the skills to control or handle the chakra he would have never became a perfect jin.

The 9 tails actually hurt Naruto more than help him. The 9 tails is the reason Naruto didn't have parents to guide or train him outside the academy like Sasuke and other ninjas in his class. It's the reason Naruto didn't have a place to go to gain knowledge of his clan like Sasuke. It's the reason his chakra was more difficult to control. Those are the reason Naruto was last in his academy class.

What I find funny about Naruto's academy days is he was able to take the genin exam before anybody else, including Sasuke. If Naruto was really unskilled like so many claim he shouldn't have been allowed to take the genin exam before anybody else in his class. That proves Naruto was more skilled than everybody else in his class because for him to take it he had to be ready. Since nobody else took it that mean they weren't ready. The reason Naruto failed the genin exam was because of his inability to control chakra. The 9 tails was the reason for that.

In reality Naruto learned a lot on his own. The 9 tail holding Naruto back shouldn't be considered as help. If you were running a race and an opponent was holding on to you to slow you down you would considered that help.
Kakashi stated the same thing in part one as well. His recovery speed and KB abuse is all attributed to Kurama. Both of them helped him amass experience and learn things quickly. It's silly though, as he still couldn't make a complete tech at the end of the manga once the automatic Sage Mode with its "knowledge of all things" and Kurama (and other Bijuus) with the chakra kneading hand outs was taken out of the equation, whilst Sasuke created his own Mezo and combined the chakra with nothing but his own skill and climbed the ranks to be aligned the Sage in skill. Combined two techs in a single palm of his hand.

I guess you can take a man away from any influence that makes him incompetent , but you cannot take incompetence out of a man. How sad that you have to make pointless excuses, ignoring the decades worth of experience he amassed through Kurama's aid, and Kurama's aid alone. What a shame.
 
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Kakashi stated the same thing in part one as well. His recovery speed and KB abuse is all attributed to Kurama. Both of them helped him amass experience and learn things quickly. It's silly though, as he still couldn't make a complete tech at the end of the manga once the automatic Sage Mode with its "knowledge of all things" and Kurama (and other Bijuus) with the chakra kneading hand outs was taken out of the equation, whilst Sasuke created his own Mezo and combined the chakra with nothing but his own skill and climbed the ranks to be aligned the Sage in skill. Combined two techs in a single palm of his hand.

I guess you can take a man away from any influence that makes him incompetent , but you cannot take incompetence out of a man. How sad that you have to make pointless excuses, ignoring the decades worth of experience he amassed through Kurama's aid, and Kurama's aid alone. What a shame.
sasuke was given as much if not more shit than naruto...so what is the point of this comment?

in fact naruto and sasuke were given more hand outs than anyone in shounen history...maybe

and @ bold what?? :lmao:
 
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I wonder.
You shouldn't have to wonder. He saved the world (multiple times) and accomplished everything he's set out to do more or less.

Reliance on Kurama would have only gotten him so far without his guts. He was delt bad cards and ended up winning.
 
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Yall are saying 3 tomoe sasuke has better genjutsu feats than itachi??Please someone send me a scan of sasuke 3 tomoe sharingan genjutsu feats that are above itachis genjutsu. Dont worry i'll wait!!!!
Itachi would put u in a genjutsu with 1 finger without you even knowing. Sasuke at the beginning of shippuden had no feats in genjutsu of that level. What are yall sniffing!!!
We are saying 3 tomoe Sasuke has better feats than ITachis finger. Why cant you wrap your head around the idea? Sasuke with 3 tomoe supresssed Kurama, controlled manda 1 shotted Sai and cloud ninja. Itachis finger owned chunin level Naruto. All throughout the manga they say dont look an Uchiha in the eye theres a reason for that.
 

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.........And yet after all the raging between the bases subsides, the title of the Anime still remains titled Naruto

IMO that should be /thread

But things are not so easy around here it seems.

Naruto is the main character. NOT Sasuke.

With that being said, it isn't even that hard to comprehend that Naruto's very character BY NATURE will have illogical "powers" over other characters including Sasuke. A prime example of this is Naruto's talk no jutsu.

I can see why it bothers Sasuke fans though I really can.

It is hard to stomach someone like Naruto (whom conveniently is Sasuke's rival, and main character) who is always winning with a certain degree of pacifism.

Pacifism compared to how Sasuke fights that is. Sasuke has no mercy most of the manga and is dark and mysterious whereas Naruto is much of the opposite. Sasuke fans (at least to me) want SO BADLY for the manga to have been called Sasuke and have him be the main character. The manga was never about Sasuke. The manga was meant to be about Naruto hence the title and the attention given to him.

The argument is moot to me at this point. Naruto has his strengths and weaknesses exactly as Sasuke has his. They are neither omnipotent, no matter how much each base wants that to be true.

It is funny though reading through threads like this one though. I finally decided to add my 2 cents.

P.S

I will also note that the way debates are conducted here are rather circular. Every single argument about whom would win in a fight is hypothetical if it did not happen directly in the manga. Once one familiarizes themselves with the definition of hypothetical, I suspect more people would maybe get along here.

Naruto isn't my favorite character and neither is Sasuke just a disclaimer
 
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We are saying 3 tomoe Sasuke has better feats than ITachis finger. Why cant you wrap your head around the idea? Sasuke with 3 tomoe supresssed Kurama, controlled manda 1 shotted Sai and cloud ninja. Itachis finger owned chunin level Naruto. All throughout the manga they say dont look an Uchiha in the eye theres a reason for that.
Kakashi, gai and others all couldnt even look at itachi because they knew about his genjutsu feats being op nd that was part 1 naruto. Come back when sasuke had ninja of that caliber do that. Smh dont know what you cant understand, plus the cloud ninja sasuke did that too was after unlocking ms so try again. Like i said sasuke at the beginning of shipudden with 3 tomoe had no genjutsu feats. Any uchiha can supress a tailed beast but not a jin who uses the bijuu power or is a perfect jin. Smh reread the manga, he didnt supress kurama either just its chakra that naruto did not want to use. IT WAS NOT KURAMA IN THE CAGE SMH
 
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Kakashi, gai and others all couldnt even look at itachi because they knew about his genjutsu feats being op nd that was part 1 naruto. Come back when sasuke had ninja of that caliber do that. Smh dont know what you cant understand, plus the cloud ninja sasuje did that too was after unlocking ms so try again. Like i said sasuke at the beginning of shipudden with 3 tomoe had no genjutsu feats. Any uchiha can supress a tailed beast but not a jin who uses the bijuu power or is a perfect jin. Smh reread the manga, he didnt supress kurama either just its xhajra that naruto did not want to use. IT WAS NOT KURAMA IN THE CAGEVSMH

Wrong :coffee: Read the manga I might post something on this later but you are clearly uneducated on this matter. Naruto was not a perfect jin either way Kurama would have got supressed at that time whether Naruto wanted to use its chakra or not.
 

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I didnt say he was a perfect jin, i said you cant suppress a bijuu if it has a host who uses its power or is a perfect jin. If thats the case why didnt pain, itachi or obito just do that to all the jins outside of killer bee to capture them?? Because you cant!!!! I think you need to educate yourself!!!
If naruto uses kurama chakra and already has it then how can sasuke supress it??? HE CANT?
 
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I didnt say he was a perfect jin, i said you cant suppress a bijuu if it has a host who uses its power or is a perfect jin. If thats the case why didnt pain, itachi or obito just do that to all the jins outside of killer bee to capture them?? Because you cant!!!! I think you need to educate yourself!!! Just like at the end of the manga sasuke genjutsu all the bijuu, thats because they had no host but he couldnt do it to the one inside naruto!!!
Pein cant use genjutsu. How do you know what Itachi and Kisame did or didnt do? Obito controlled a jin for years lmao. Read the manga.
 
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