He could've

[KesOnFire]

Listen guys I know Naruto had to use the kyuubi power vs Pein but if he knew the naraka path abilities he wouldn't of had to. I'm saying SM was enough to defeat him
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^^^^^As you can see if it wasn't for preta path he woulda been done for becuz Naruto send he flying atfer he reentered Sm and launched frs at him.

He also could of just done this
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If he knew this info about the naraka path from the beginning Hinata would of never had to interfere and get hurt
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[Natsu Shazneel]

Totsuki blade gg

 

[VongolaX]

Some on is gonna bring up the Deva path argument

 

[-immortal-]

But nothing for CT GG bro

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Well if SM Naruto would have been able to defeat EMS Sasuke w/o Kurama's chakra and purely in his SM form, I don't see why Naruto couldn't have taken out the Naraka Path in Sage Mode with intel. His lack of detailed intel had to force him to use Kurama's chakra.

 

[KesOnFire]

But nothing for CT GG bro

GG? lmfaooooo He couldn't do CT at the time at least i think so he was weaken it was not till later that he regain his strength he even says it

Well if SM Naruto would have been able to defeat EMS Sasuke w/o Kurama's chakra and purely in his SM form, I don't see why Naruto couldn't have taken out the Naraka Path in Sage Mode with intel. His lack of detailed intel had to force him to use Kurama's chakra.

Yea becuz naraka path is nothing he took him out with ease , if he would of known he was the healer he would of taken him out first or second atfer the guy tried to attack Tsunade
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[-immortal-]

GG? lmfaooooo He couldn't do CT at the time at least i think so he was weaken it was not till later that he regain his strength he even says it



Yea becuz naraka path is nothing he took him out with ease
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Ye but at the time naruto didn't know about those paths stuff.

So why let me not bring something up since your doing it aswell.

 

[KesOnFire]

Ye but at the time naruto didn't know about those paths stuff.

So why let me not bring something up since your doing it aswell.

I don't really understand what you are trying to say all I'm saying is if he knew about naraka path SM it would of been enough to win aka without kyuubi

 

[-immortal-]

I don't really understand what you are trying to say all I'm saying is if he knew about naraka path SM it would of been enough to win aka without kyuubi

Ye and if pain was at "full " power as you say.

He would one shot

 

[KesOnFire]

Ye and if pain was at "full " power as you say.

He would one shot

one shot how? the kyuubi got out of CT

 

[Floydical]

Not necessarily because if Naruto did know, what transpired in the battle might have been very different. The only reason Naruto got so many kills so quickly was largely because of Pain's method of defending Naraka from harm and leaving everyone else in harms way. Naruto might not have gotten the kill on Naraka that easy given Pain's strategy and even if he did, he might have endangered himself unnecessarily to do so.

In a random encounter between the 2, sage mode would obviously not have been enough. If you want to nerf Pain to the ground and give Naruto every advantage possible, than yes SM might be enough but its no guarantee.

 

[KesOnFire]

Not necessarily because if Naruto did know, what transpired in the battle might have been very different. The only reason Naruto got so many kills so quickly was largely because of Pain's method of defending Naraka from harm and leaving everyone else in harms way. Naruto might not have gotten the kill on Naraka that easy given Pain's strategy and even if he did, he might have endangered himself unnecessarily to do so.

In a random encounter between the 2, sage mode would obviously not have been enough. If you want to nerf Pain to the ground and give Naruto every advantage possible, than yes SM might be enough but its no guarantee.

Nerf him? This is kishi that weaken Pein not me. He destroys the village and Konan even warns him about doing that. Naruto put himself in harms way? He destroyed naraka path with a clone so no you are wrong.

 

[Floydical]

Nerf him? This is kishi that weaken Pein not me. He destroys the village and Konan even warns him about doing that. Naruto put himself in harms way? He destroyed naraka path with a clone so no you are wrong.

Giving Naruto essential knowledge of an opponent's key ability is the same as Nerfing his opponent. If you give Naruto knowledge of Naraka you might as well give Pain knowledge of Frog Fu or Nature Energy. If Pain knows about either of those tactics, he doesn't loose a combatant unnecessarily.

My point is you would be giving Naruto all the buffs and Pain all the nerfs and even in such a case, you can't predict with 100% certainty what would happen. Naruto could only use a certain number of clones and only had a certain number of Rasenshurikens to use.

 

[KesOnFire]

Giving Naruto essential knowledge of an opponent's key ability is the same as Nerfing his opponent. If you give Naruto knowledge of Naraka you might as well give Pain knowledge of Frog Fu or Nature Energy. If Pain knows about either of those tactics, he doesn't loose a combatant unnecessarily.

My point is you would be giving Naruto all the buffs and Pain all the nerfs and even in such a case, you can't predict with 100% certainty what would happen. Naruto could only use a certain number of clones and only had a certain number of Rasenshurikens to use.

All I'm saying is if he knew naraka abilities he wouldn't of need the kyuubi to defeat him and SM would of been enough. Naruto had intel about all the other paths I didn't give him the intel kishi did. I didn't nerf anyone kishi did.

If you checkout the OT you can see Naruto already defeat him but didn't becuz of naraka path which made the fight keep going.

Even if he knew about frog fu how would he have stopped it?

 

[Floydical]

All I'm saying is if he knew naraka abilities he wouldn't of need the kyuubi to defeat him and SM would of been enough. Naruto had intel about all the other paths I didn't give him the intel kishi did. I didn't nerf anyone kishi did.

If you checkout the OT you can see Naruto already defeat him but didn't becuz of naraka path which made the fight keep going.

Even if he knew about frog fu how would he have stopped it?

I know what you are saying. You are assuming that Naruto defeats Naraka without unnecessary chakra use and without suffering any damage or risking any harm in any way. You are also assuming that the fight goes the exact same way and Naruto kills Tendo with that last Rasenshuriken.

What I'm saying is that such a scenario is illogical as the fight would have most likely gone differently based on a change of events early in the exchange.

He dodged the attack but was not outside Frog Fu's range. If he had intel, he either avoids that same situation or purposely avoids at a greater range.

 

[KesOnFire]

I know what you are saying. You are assuming that Naruto defeats Naraka without unnecessary chakra use and without suffering any damage or risking any harm in any way. You are also assuming that the fight goes the exact same way and Naruto kills Tendo with that last Rasenshuriken.

What I'm saying is that such a scenario is illogical as the fight would have most likely gone differently based on a change of events early in the exchange.

He dodged the attack but was not outside Frog Fu's range. If he had intel, he either avoids that same situation or purposely avoids at a greater range.

That frs in OT would of killed deva path if it wasn't for naraka path.

lmfaooo he can't avoid frog fu becuz deva path didn't have his full strength yet and naruto in SM has increased speed
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[Blackzoro]

Well done good thread

 

[Berner]

naruto couldn't and didn't defeat the paths even with pnj kurama had to save him


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[Pukkake Pokayo]

naruto couldn't and didn't defeat the paths even with pnj kurama had to save him


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Yes he did...

 

[Berner]

Yes he did...

no he didn't, paths were nerfed

naruto was defeated