[Discussion] Have your opinions of Sasuke changed after 694?

[Kakooli]

Sasuke wants to be hokage for selfless reasons, Naruto's a fame ***** with a God-complex. Naruto is the Bill Gates of this universe, he wants to be the face of the organisation. The guy that everyone respects for creating innovative new technology when in reality he didn't do shit except pick up the check for some underrated indian genius who's REALLY the guy who should be taking the credit.

 

[jiraiya nindo]

Sasuke wants to be hokage for selfless reasons, Naruto's a fame ***** with a God-complex. Naruto is the Bill Gates of this universe, he wants to be the face of the organisation. The guy that everyone respects for creating innovative new technology when in reality he didn't do shit except pick up the check for some underrated indian genius who's REALLY the guy who should be taking the credit.

There he is. ...the first sasuke fanboy has finally commented on this thread.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

No, not at all. He still wants to kill people and dictate his will. All 694 confirmed is that he does not care if he is hated doing it.

EDIT: My opinion of the SO6P did change, however. You did not ask, but I have a lesser opinion of the character now.

The thing is that we didn't know what Sasuke's plan was. Some felt that Sasuke had a very realistic view of the world and all that, and I thought this chapter showed anything but, and I was curious if people who thought Sasuke would have a better idea of how to run the world still believe so after learning exactly what his plan is. Or perhaps there were people who were unsure going in, but after reading the chapter and learning his plans decided to hop on board with Sasuke's ideas.

The thing about the So6P was that he was proven to be a damn fool a while ago. He just cemented his ****ing stupidity even further by giving Sasuke the powers despite learning what he wants to do with them. I will say the So6P is one of hte shittiest "wise man" characters I've ever come across in any medium ever, I mean he's ****ing terrible. My opinions of him have been extremely negative for a while now, so not much has changed in regards to the sage.

 

[Meowazziel]

The sage of the six path needed to give Sasuke his powers in order for Naruto to change Sasuke.
If Naruto was given only powers by the sage or both eye and body powers, than Sasuke would for sure not be changed.
He would probably get lost in jealousy.

I think the sage did right by giving Sasuke powers as well, even though he knew Sasuke's goals.
For the brothers feud to get a solution eventually, both needed to be given powers.

 

[bashkim]

Sasuke is an idiot nothing else. He consider Naruto as his best friend and he stile wants to kill him. And what is his plan actual so good?
Killing the kage and bijus solved the problems itself . No he will rule the world as long he leave and than his new system will be separated by itself. Hashirama build village with Madara and the world copied his system. He has to gain trust of the people becomes hokage and change the village and promoted peace by his examples.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

When he dies, hatred will not die with him since new hatred is born out of the continual cycle of existence, people will still find other things to hate long after he's dead, his death will kill all hatred focused on him but hatred itself will not be abolished, only continuous love can allay hate, love itself is a continuous cycle.

 

[GhostProject]

My opinion still hasn't changed, Sasuke just cemented more and more that he's an unethical crazy person :|

Looks like he does want to become the solo ruler which people will hate, but he's killing his best friend and the 5 kage, all of which his motivations for doing so are pretty evil. "Because he's my best friend"

He has issues. I hope his plan is all a bluff and his actual plan is really cool. I can only hope...

 

[Narutosixpaths]

I wanted to do a little thread about this, as this has been a big talking point for a while now. A lot of people like and respect Sasuke because he has a more realistic view of the world than Naruto. People had theories and beliefs of what a hokage is, and I'm curious as to what you guys think after reading what his goals are.

Persnoally, I've thought he's an irrational fool for a while now, and 694 cemented that belief even further. People say he's a realistic character, but what kind of realism involves people following leaders they hate? It just makes no sense whatsoever. Sasuke is so irrational and blind to what's going on. He talks about how he was all alone, and ignores all the love and support of everyone in Konoha. When people say Sasuke's emo, I think that comment is pretty much proof of that. Sasuke's whole belief system just makes no sense at all. In all honesty, Sasuke's beliefs are very similar to Danzo's, and we all know how he turned out. You need darkness to work with the light, and that's what Sasuke should be, but that darkness shouldn't be the face of the village.

Sasuke's a ****ing idiot if he thinks killing all the kage will do him any good. If anything, it will cause the people to rebel against him, as the kage are loved and cherished by their villages, they aren't these corrupt autocrats who destroy their villages and let the people starve et al. It's like does Sasuke even have his head on straight? Does he not see that the people have feelings too, and that not everything will go his way? Sasuke acts like such a spoiled brat wtih this attitude that everything will go his way because he feels it's right.

And it's just so frustrating how Sasuke has all this power, and he, correctly so, talks about how his power gives him the ability to make his goals become reality. The So6P was a ****ing idiot for giving Sasuke that power, the sage is just such a naive fool, and an overall disappointing character. Oh, and he's still around this chapter >.>

I know I'm rambling a bit here, i'm curious if you guys are still on the Sasuke bandwagon if you were there before or if you hopped off after hearing his goals and beliefs and such, or if you weren't on the Sasuke bandwagon after hearing his goals and beliefs and such, but decided to hop on or stay off?

Might be a slight misunderstanding here. I first off totally disagree with Sasukes idea too, because even though I think it's fairly realistic it would suceed for awhile his solution is irrelevant unless he attained immortality. However I don't believe he intends the people to follow him. He's going to eliminate all of the current leadership, and take the tailed beasts out of the equation. Ofcourse doing this is going to spark hatred and basically another war all the shinobi versus Sasuke, much like this war was Obito/Madara against everyone. Now Sasuke if he succeeds in defeating Naruto, would be a god compared to the rest of the shinobi, and it's very plausible he could defeat a combination of the 5 nations. After dealing them a crushing defeat where he'd likely kill many of them he'd have them broken. Then he would take over as a dictator type, the new darkness in the world. From there it would leave no room for the violence and hate of the ninja world against eachother, everyone would conspire against, and channel their hatred at Sasuke. The villages to whatever degree the were left would expend all efforts to overthrow him, (they'd have no chance) and for atleast the period of his lifetime there'd be peace between shinobi in general. However the flaw in his idea is that he'd be doing nothing better than what this war has done. It united everyone for the time being, but in time things would go back to normal so if Sauce doesn't become immortal it's useless. Thats why Naruto's ideology of changing the peoples hearts and beliefs is much more plausible as this is likely to have an effect on the next generation, and so on.

 

[RedShadow]

Might be a slight misunderstanding here. I first off totally disagree with Sasukes idea too, because even though I think it's fairly realistic it would suceed for awhile his solution is irrelevant unless he attained immortality. However I don't believe he intends the people to follow him. He's going to eliminate all of the current leadership, and take the tailed beasts out of the equation. Ofcourse doing this is going to spark hatred and basically another war all the shinobi versus Sasuke, much like this war was Obito/Madara against everyone. Now Sasuke if he succeeds in defeating Naruto, would be a god compared to the rest of the shinobi, and it's very plausible he could defeat a combination of the 5 nations. After dealing them a crushing defeat where he'd likely kill many of them he'd have them broken. Then he would take over as a dictator type, the new darkness in the world. From there it would leave no room for the violence and hate of the ninja world against eachother, everyone would conspire against, and channel their hatred at Sasuke. The villages to whatever degree the were left would expend all efforts to overthrow him, (they'd have no chance) and for atleast the period of his lifetime there'd be peace between shinobi in general. However the flaw in his idea is that he'd be doing nothing better than what this war has done. It united everyone for the time being, but in time things would go back to normal so if Sauce doesn't become immortal it's useless. Thats why Naruto's ideology of changing the peoples hearts and beliefs is much more plausible as this is likely to have an effect on the next generation, and so on.

Summary :
Sasuke idea is poop because it won't work since he'll die eventually

Naruto's idea works because he has everyone's support and when he dies people will(hopefully) honour his decisions

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[MysticLeviathan]

Might be a slight misunderstanding here. I first off totally disagree with Sasukes idea too, because even though I think it's fairly realistic it would suceed for awhile his solution is irrelevant unless he attained immortality. However I don't believe he intends the people to follow him. He's going to eliminate all of the current leadership, and take the tailed beasts out of the equation. Ofcourse doing this is going to spark hatred and basically another war all the shinobi versus Sasuke, much like this war was Obito/Madara against everyone. Now Sasuke if he succeeds in defeating Naruto, would be a god compared to the rest of the shinobi, and it's very plausible he could defeat a combination of the 5 nations. After dealing them a crushing defeat where he'd likely kill many of them he'd have them broken. Then he would take over as a dictator type, the new darkness in the world. From there it would leave no room for the violence and hate of the ninja world against eachother, everyone would conspire against, and channel their hatred at Sasuke. The villages to whatever degree the were left would expend all efforts to overthrow him, (they'd have no chance) and for atleast the period of his lifetime there'd be peace between shinobi in general. However the flaw in his idea is that he'd be doing nothing better than what this war has done. It united everyone for the time being, but in time things would go back to normal so if Sauce doesn't become immortal it's useless. Thats why Naruto's ideology of changing the peoples hearts and beliefs is much more plausible as this is likely to have an effect on the next generation, and so on.

I don't think whether or not he'd be immortal would make a difference. The world would become totally ****ed up, as the people would just become filled with anger and hate and frustration, and the world as a whole would be even worse than it is now. I mean there's literally no progress being made no matter how long he stays alive. Only after he'd lose his position as world dictator would any real progress start to be made.

But don't forget that if Sasuke does kill Naruto, Asura's soul will keep reincarnating and the two will fight again and again, and at some point, Asura will be able to defeat Indira. Even if Sasuke does become immortal and can't die or whatever, one of Asura's new bodies, whether it be the next body after Naruto or the 10th body after Naruto, Asura will eventually be able to seal up Sasuke. And so with all that, we had more pointless and needless bloodshed until Sasuke's defeated, and we'll be back at square one. No matter how you look at it, Sasuke's plan is shit. Even if he's immortal, Asura will eventually defeat him, so why will he even bother?

It's clear he hasn't totally thought this through, otherwise he'd realize the people would not accept him as leader, and it would only be a matter of time before he gets ousted.

 

[RedShadow]

I don't think whether or not he'd be immortal would make a difference. The world would become totally ****ed up, as the people would just become filled with anger and hate and frustration, and the world as a whole would be even worse than it is now. I mean there's literally no progress being made no matter how long he stays alive. Only after he'd lose his position as world dictator would any real progress start to be made.

But don't forget that if Sasuke does kill Naruto, Asura's soul will keep reincarnating and the two will fight again and again, and at some point, Asura will be able to defeat Indira. Even if Sasuke does become immortal and can't die or whatever, one of Asura's new bodies, whether it be the next body after Naruto or the 10th body after Naruto, Asura will eventually be able to seal up Sasuke. And so with all that, we had more pointless and needless bloodshed until Sasuke's defeated, and we'll be back at square one. No matter how you look at it, Sasuke's plan is shit. Even if he's immortal, Asura will eventually defeat him, so why will he even bother?

It's clear he hasn't totally thought this through, otherwise he'd realize the people would not accept him as leader, and it would only be a matter of time before he gets ousted.

Didn't Sasuke say he didn't care about what people thought?

Sasuke wants to be hokage for selfless reasons, Naruto's a fame ***** with a God-complex. Naruto is the Bill Gates of this universe, he wants to be the face of the organisation. The guy that everyone respects for creating innovative new technology when in reality he didn't do shit except pick up the check for some underrated indian genius who's REALLY the guy who should be taking the credit.

I knew this kid was a Sasuke Flapboy

 

[Narutosixpaths]

I don't think whether or not he'd be immortal would make a difference. The world would become totally ****ed up, as the people would just become filled with anger and hate and frustration, and the world as a whole would be even worse than it is now. I mean there's literally no progress being made no matter how long he stays alive. Only after he'd lose his position as world dictator would any real progress start to be made.

But don't forget that if Sasuke does kill Naruto, Asura's soul will keep reincarnating and the two will fight again and again, and at some point, Asura will be able to defeat Indira. Even if Sasuke does become immortal and can't die or whatever, one of Asura's new bodies, whether it be the next body after Naruto or the 10th body after Naruto, Asura will eventually be able to seal up Sasuke. And so with all that, we had more pointless and needless bloodshed until Sasuke's defeated, and we'll be back at square one. No matter how you look at it, Sasuke's plan is shit. Even if he's immortal, Asura will eventually defeat him, so why will he even bother?

It's clear he hasn't totally thought this through, otherwise he'd realize the people would not accept him as leader, and it would only be a matter of time before he gets ousted.

I agree the world would definitely be ****ed up. Also I want to say I'm not defending or supporting Sasuke's idea just wanted to clarify what I took from it. However though, your right the world wouldn't make progress, but quite frankly I don't think Sasukes interested in that. His goal is just to stem the hate in the ninja world amongst other shinobi, and take it all himself. So even if everyone is angry and frustrated as long as this is due to him, and peoples primary efforts are exerted at killing him rather than eachother, as often was the case with the village system he'd be satisfied.
I agree that I hadn't considered the Ashura reincarnation, but there is another possibility. I agree eventually enough Ashura reincarnations could beat Indra (Sasuke), however Sasuke could always ascend. Sasuke definitely knows whats neccessary to become like Madara did when he emulated Kaguya. It'd also be less risky for him since Zetsu is taken care of, so if neccessary he could ascend beyond the Indra reincarnation and grab power above it all, and in that scenario I'm not confident that any Ashura reincarnation could win.

However it's mostly irrelevant, mainly because Naruto will win, and secondly because I think Sasuke's idea is totally ****ed up anyway.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Sasuke wants to be hokage for selfless reasons, Naruto's a fame ***** with a God-complex. Naruto is the Bill Gates of this universe, he wants to be the face of the organisation. The guy that everyone respects for creating innovative new technology when in reality he didn't do shit except pick up the check for some underrated indian genius who's REALLY the guy who should be taking the credit.

Everybody knows how stupidly, retarded and unbiased your comment's are its unbeknownst to me you think this up when all it is a bunch of crap that is so much fan logic and no actual intelligence not backed up with solid proof or scans that you are one of the most famous here for wanking / fapping Sasuke here similar to narutoblitz and HaterFtw.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

I'm curious if people have hopped off the Sasuke train. There were a TON of Sasuke supporters going into the final fight and this chapter, I'm curious how many of them realize how dumb and unrealistic Sasuke's plan actually is. People were talking about how realistic Sasuke is compared to Naruto, so I'm curious if people still feel that way after learning his goals and plan.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

Didn't Sasuke say he didn't care about what people thought?

What does that have to do with anything? It doesn't make his plan any less stupid. A psychopath might say he doesn't care what people think of him, does that make his deeds any less crazy and ridiculous?

 

[UzumakiRyu]

I'm curious if people have hopped off the Sasuke train. There were a TON of Sasuke supporters going into the final fight and this chapter, I'm curious how many of them realize how dumb and unrealistic Sasuke's plan actually is. People were talking about how realistic Sasuke is compared to Naruto, so I'm curious if people still feel that way after learning his goals and plan.

Sasuke is stupid he is following a goal he thinks is the best course a goal that Itachi explained to Naruto that is the reason he failed while being alive because he did not allow those close to him to help him and that is why Sasuke will fail and Naruto will show him what Itachi truly wanted after realizing he himself was wrong about not letting his friends / family help him and since Naruto has always done it that way he will beat into Sasuke that its the only way cuz like Itachi said those who shoulder everything and don't let anyone help them will fail, best medicine is a Uzumaki Knuckle Sandwitch. Sasuke's feeling hungry

 

[FourthSmokage]

Still think he's an emo douche.

 

[Mugiwara kun]

I think the people would rather be dead than live under a **** like Sasuke.

I still think neither of them should be hokage, and that someone like Shikamaru should. Both Naruto and Sasuke are totally irrational in their views and beliefs.

true. They are both on the extreme end of the spectrum. But Shikamaru is too lazy to be hokage

 

[leomussa]

Sasukes view is for sure stupid , we saw trough the manga that no one can do all alone and solve all the problems , Naruto learned it with Itachi when they met and then he realized that Itachis view was true , no one can handle everything , but Sasuke just keep making the same mistake , he thinks he has to be center of the universe and needs to be the one who has the right view , hes pride is the problem , Naruto at least admits when he's wrong like he did sometimes , but Sasuke wants to be always right , he's point of view will fail just like Itachis , Itachi wanted Sasuke to hate him to keep him safe and make him strong just like Sasuke wants the people to hate him but at the final the only think Itachi gave to Sasuke was sadness , loneliness and anger which made Sasuke sink in darkness , that's the proof that his point of view is wrong. Come on Kishimoto , how can you make Sasuke smart and stupid at the same time ?!