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Miyata

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Tobi/Obito has rinnegan and is easily the second strongest shinobi currently fighting in the war :). tobi was the most feared character because of his strength before madara was resurrected. SOOO can somebody tell me why as soon as kishi tells us that Tobi is really obito is he suddenly in the same league and level as kakashi lmao? IMO kakashi shouldnt be able to last 5 seconds with him but kishi has decided to troll us lmao or is kishi makeing a good matchup by having them two fight eachother?
 

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Who is this too? There are far worse things going on right now.
 

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With kakashis low chakra reserve at this point he stands no chance. Unless obito changes his mind.
 

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It's really not trolling. Kakashi has a reasonable counter for Kamui...Kamui....
 

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its because of the chakra cloak only.... remember its because of that he was even able to suck obito in
 

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There are a few things you overlooked:

1. Obito is not accustomed to the rinnegan and also has only one eye. It's fair to say that he's considerably weaker than Nagato in terms of rinnegan techniques.
2. Kamui doesn't play a role in their battle because they're already in the other dimension.
3. Being a leader doesn't make you the strongest, it makes you the smartest. Obito would be no match in a fight against Nagato or Itachi. Hell, he would have lost against Konan if it wasn't for Izanagi. That's how strong he really is.

So, I'd say Obito and Kakashi are evenly matched, but for the sake of the plot Kakashi will win or Obito will turn good.
 

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Um he was feared because everyone believed he was Madara and he possessed an organization of unreal criminals.
 

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Yup, he was feared mostly because everyone thought he was Madara.
And it's not that "He suddenly becomes Kakashi's league", it's that Kakashi has been underestimated for far too long now.

It's Kakashi who will show he's a badass in this fight, not Obito who will show he was actually weak.
 
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kakashi's been a jonin since he was like 11 people seem to downplay him and bring obito up kakashi seems like he doesnt want to kill him anyway imo
 

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kakashi's been a jonin since he was like 11 people seem to downplay him and bring obito up kakashi seems like he doesnt want to kill him anyway imo

That's true, Kakashi has been going easy on him ever since he found out Tobi is Obito.
A proof of this is, Kakashi could've simply raikiri him through the stomach instead of punching him when he had the chance.
 
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right? he froze up once he found out that the guy who he respected the most in this world was still alive and worse is now evil
 

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A lot of people are underestimating Kakashi here. Let's examine the facts about Kakashi:

1. Graduated from Ninja Academy at age 5
2. Became A Chuunin at age 6
3. Became a Jonin at age 11, also gained the Sharingan during this time
4. Was in ANBU at a young age (forget when he joined)
5. Because of his Sharingan, Kakashi has master 100's of jutsu
6. Has done battle with and lived through S-Class Ninja. People might say that he was was on par with Zabuza (who is now considered weak compared to where we currently are in the story), but you must remember that Zabuza was also considered a famous/legendary ninja as well (which is why Kabuto revived him).
7. Kakashi's prowess only increased during part 2.

I'm going to be frank here. The only reason Obito has the upperhand on Kakashi is because of a few factors:
1. Rinnegan-- If he didn't steal that from Nagato, he would have been toast.
2. Kakashi did battle with the Edo-Jinchuriki, has been battling all day and has yet to sleep or eat. I am pretty damn sure he is exhausted. Obito has not done too much fighting yet. A couple clashes with Naruto, a couple clashes with Gai/Kakashi and a couple of clashes with the alliance. He hasn't done much yet, so his chakra reserve is up.
3. Kakashi idolized Obito, looked up to him and thought very highly of him. Kakashi is still trying to come to terms that Obito is a villain now. If you really think about it, Kakashi is going easy on Obito. Look at all the battles Kakashi has been through and compare it to this one. Kakashi doesn't want to fight or end Obito.
4. Kakashi had to figure out how Kamui worked. Once he got that figured out, it was easy for them to devise a plan to defeat Obito. Again, Kakashi can defeat Obito, he just wants answers.

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Kakashi is just downplaying is abilities right now because he still cares for his former friend. He could have easily killed Obito right then and there.

Obito has never been above Madara, the Kages, etc... etc... the only reason people feared him is because they thought he was Madara. Do you really think Obito would be where he is at today if he went around as himself? People would have thought of him as a joke. He would have gotten no where. He and Kakashi are on the same level just about.

-Obito could not defeat Itachi, just as Kakashi could not. Why do you think he did what Itachi asked? Obito knew he couldn't defeat Itachi.
-Obito could not defeat Pain, just as Kakashi could not.

-He was easily defeated by Minato:
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-He could have been killed by Konan, if he did not think quickly:
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If Konan blew off his non-Zetzu side, he would have been dead

In short: Kakashi and Obito are on the same level. I will be honest... Obito MIGHT be a little stronger because of his Rinnegan, but that's all.

-Obito has MS. Kakashi has MS.
-Obito has Kamui. Kakashi has Kamui.
-Obito has Senju DNA on the right side of his body, which gives him the ability to regenerate that side. Kakashi is holding back because he doesn't want to hurt Obito. If Kakashi got serious and attacked Obito's left side, Obito would be in trobule.
 

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I have not forget about Yamato, no.
WHERE IS HE.
Dat English.
 

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Kishi did not warp both Kakashi and Obito into the Kamui dimension to fight each other, the outcome of that fight is obvious. It provides a chance for both Kakashi and Obito to talk, without distractions and without Madara in Obito's ear. Obito can finally learn the truth about Rin's death as it is still shrouded in mystery.

Obito has shown plenty of instances of his reservations or uncertainty towards the Moon's Eye Plan and is still not convinced whether to follow through with Madara or not.

I thought that this was all clear through the reading....
 

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Obito's greatest strength is the fact that he embodies what a ninja should be doing.

Deceiving and manipulating everyone.

He's Kami jutsu basically fills up his deficiency in hand-to-hand combat and ninjutsu, as he cannot be touched under normal circumstances.
 
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