Hate and Bullying are everyone's fault

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I don't wanna hit a girl because I'd feel guilty after doing it, and I feel like its wrong. I was raised to think its wrong too. Two completely different scenarios. I asked the other guy if he'd punch a kid and he said no, yet you direct a reply at me about how I'm a hypocrite. Lol

If you irrationally feel guilty for punching a female....then it has to be for the logical reason that they're weaker than you, which itself- pitying a female is quite...eh as it is.

Also important to note you're not always conscious of stuff like this. There's a reason you'd feel shame in it unconsciously or not and it comes from the people who told you thats how the world works from were told from the people before them that thats how the world works without ever questioning it.

 

[Reraru]

I'm only 17 to be honest but there's a big age gap still- I said some dumb stuff on forums when I was about that age too, don't worry about it.

You'll look back at this and laugh/cringe. No biggy.

I won't laugh at my self like you i regret nothing...

 

[Lan Fan]

there is a difference between weakness, cowardice, and humility - weakness is the lack of strength and will, and is not to blame, cowardice is lack of bravery + selfishness "less honorable" Humility on the other hand is what you my friend are talking about, it is the stuff of legends, a quality only truly great men possess.

Humility as a great quality is your personal opinion, although I respect it as a point, I think it is sometimes a prerequisite for an outrage on the subject. Most of the people I know that are affected by aggression, are a compilation of weakness and humility. They suffer from the bullying so resignation is not their line of behavior.

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

If you irrationally feel guilty for punching a female....then it has to be for the logical reason that they're weaker than you, which itself- pitying a female is quite...eh as it is.

Also important to note you're not always conscious of stuff like this. There's a reason you'd feel shame in it unconsciously or not and it comes from the people who told you thats how the world works from were told from the people before them that thats how the world works without ever questioning it.

Lol I've had to watch my mom get hit as a kid, and the dude stole all our shit. He ain't doin shit like that no more but it just helped me remember why I don't wanna hit girls. I don't have any desire to hit a girl because of my surroundings forreal. You're acting like it's a bad thing to not want to beat a girl up because she hits you.

The chances of a girl hurting me with a hit is low as it is, but there isn't any blow she could deal that'll make me want to punch her in the face.

After all, the other dude won't punch a kid in the face. Why does he feel guilty about it? Because he's young. I feel guilty because I feel like it's wrong and because I done grew up in a place where shit like that happens. If a dude hits me he wants to squaredance and I'm gonna put hands on him, because at that point it's a fight. If a girl hits me from most girls that have it won't hurt and it won't be serious shit. If I hit her back I'd be breaking my morals.

Lol Sexist forreal, I'd rather be sexist than be someone who think its fine to hit a woman just because she taps you then go and say I wouldn't punch a child like it's a 100% different thing.

 

[Sherlock.]

That was a good video. I have never seen anyone getting bullied like that and honestly dunno what I'd do if I see something like that. I'd intervene mostly cause I don't like idiots who pick on others and hit them.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Lol I've had to watch my mom get hit as a kid, and the dude stole all our shit. He ain't doin shit like that no more but it just helped me remember why I don't wanna hit girls. I don't have any desire to hit a girl because of my surroundings forreal. You're acting like it's a bad thing to not want to beat a girl up because she hits you.

The chances of a girl hurting me with a hit is low as it is, but there isn't any blow she could deal that'll make me want to punch her in the face.

After all, the other dude won't punch a kid in the face. Why does he feel guilty about it? Because he's young. I feel guilty because I feel like it's wrong and because I done grew up in a place where shit like that happens. If a dude hits me he wants to squaredance and I'm gonna put hands on him, because at that point it's a fight. If a girl hits me from most girls that have it won't hurt and it won't be serious shit. If I hit her back I'd be breaking my morals.

Lol Sexist forreal, I'd rather be sexist than be someone who think its fine to hit a woman just because she taps you then go and say I wouldn't punch a child like it's a 100% different thing.

Oh I wasn't calling you sexist by the way, there's way more pressing people feminists need to be pointing fingers at than people who won't punch women (i mean really? why dont we stop wifebeating and equality first before these little things huh?)

I was just wondering about the apparent double-standard. That's a fair reason though. Context.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I won't laugh at my self like you i regret nothing...

Well then you will go through life with the mentality and voice of a 10 year old. I was trying to be nice. Have fun.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

Humility as a great quality is your personal opinion, although I respect it as a point, I think it is sometimes a prerequisite for an outrage on the subject. Most of the people I know that are affected by aggression, are a compilation of weakness and humility. They suffer from the bullying so resignation is not their line of behavior.

when you mix the qualities yes, but i was talking about eatch in their purest form.

for example, Jesus, and all the prophets "supposedly knew humility" and i know some people that Are very strong and could break you in every way if so they wished, but if they thought they deserved the humility, then they wouldnt lift a finger regardless of how agngry they get, thats true nobility.

heck even take the heroes in the comic books like Superman, how many times has he allowed himself to be humiliated by humans when we all know he could obliterate them in a flash!!

 

[Reraru]

Well then you will go through life with the mentality and voice of a 10 year old. I was trying to be nice. Have fun.

Well that's not gonna happen...

 

[Lan Fan]

when you mix the qualities yes, but i was talking about eatch in their purest form.

for example, Jesus, and all the prophets "supposedly knew humility" and i know some people that Are very strong and could break you in every way if so they wished, but if they thought they deserved the humility, then they wouldnt lift a finger regardless of how agngry they get, thats true nobility.

heck even take the heroes in the comic books like Superman, how many times has he allowed himself to be humiliated by humans when we all know he could obliterate them in a flash!!

I'll just say that I agree with you (English is not my native language, so it is hard for me to specify the details of more complex themes.. :/ )

 

[paratise]

Well lets make it simple: i got bullied and needed to to take care of my own shit. It was when i was about 1st and 2nd grades though. There were 2 girls at the classroom (1 of them was a teacher's, the other was principal's daughter even teacher would not say shit to them primary oh-so-great school my ass my father payed for that dumphole ffs) who practicly made a dictatorship and beating around/ruling every other people.

Me, being my fortunate self was recieving most likely the shittiest treatment from Stalin juniors. I was verbally opposing several times or holding my own enough to flee swiftly (i was a shortling who weighted half of others), even told my mom and dad, they came to school day after another to talk with those girls. Pussies snitched me to the teacher (and they wacked around anyone who snitched, such hypocrates), useless hag lectured me by saying "we should solve our problems between each other", i said "you don't even see what our problems are". Don't recall a decent answer. bullies have hit one of my friends, i told the teacher that she got hit but the person who got hit denied and said "no they did no do anything!". She was so scared from 2 dolts (and i became the supposedely liar being my fortunate self")! She could not stand up to herself and even refused others' support.

One day one fo them (principal's daughter) pushed me violently (many shit happened before but i got irked for that time) i held her from her arm and wacked her directly to the blackboard, she injured her hand and could not write for 2 weeks. After that, i did not recieve much shit from *****es that used to have.

All in all, i'm saying this: Try to make best out of what you can stand up to. Everything comes with a price, maybe standing up against will not result as a certain victory, but sucking up the bullying is a certain loss. Whther it is for you, or another human being.

I hate how people call other weak, just because they let others bully them .. I know great people who have incredible intellect, who are really kind an so on, but are extremely sensitive and easily getting depressed by psychological attacks( and all in all are ppl who are potentially victims of bullying). I will call it an instinct, but I want to protect that kind of people at any price, that's what a person who can endure more to mental/ physical aggression should do in my opinion. There are plenty of conditional reasons for someone's "weakness", that others underestimate or don't even know.

And this i agree with.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

I'll just say that I agree with you (English is not my native language, so it is hard for me to specify the details of more complex themes.. :/ )

English is not my native language either, and its not a matter of agreement - neither of us is wrong, we were just talking about different circumstances

 

[Bantos]

I have been bullied when I was in school, and I always take the side of the one being bullied if I witness such behavior.

 

[China IL]

To the comments about the victim of bullying being weak.

Mostpeople are bullied because they are weak indeed. This is usually the case because bullies seek out the week. We see only one aspect of a victim's weakness. Most of the time, their weak in physicall terms. Other times it's self confidence, morals and beliefs, or they just have yet to find something to make a strength for their selves.

I wasbullied 2nd through 3rd grade, I was even jumped a few times. Mostly because my grades were way higher than them. I was an immature brat, and so I rubbed it in their face. Can't say that Ididn't deserve that, but no one deserves that kind of life style. It wasn't until I got my first few friends at my new school for my states smartest kids,that I actually stood up for myself. It felt freaking amazing to me, and I never got bullied again. After that first time, I gained some respect, and even became popular. I've had the same friends sense, although soe did move out of state and what not.

Something as this, you can't look at it in one light. You have to see every angle. This is a big problem for the present. This is kinda like a war, but some people just decide not to take part. I personally take up for people eing bullied myself, knowing the feel it's only natural right? But if they still hang around the people bullying them after my help the first time, I see it as not being my problem anymore.

This is the world's problem, there are peope who decide to cast it off as just some weak kids being beat up. It's obviously more than that. No offense, but you must be stupid for thinking that.

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

To the comments about the victim of bullying being weak.

Mostpeople are bullied because they are weak indeed. This is usually the case because bullies seek out the week. We see only one aspect of a victim's weakness. Most of the time, their weak in physicall terms. Other times it's self confidence, morals and beliefs, or they just have yet to find something to make a strength for their selves.

I wasbullied 2nd through 3rd grade, I was even jumped a few times. Mostly because my grades were way higher than them. I was an immature brat, and so I rubbed it in their face. Can't say that Ididn't deserve that, but no one deserves that kind of life style.

Dude your story sounds exactly like Yuuji's from Baka and Test.

 

[China IL]

Dude your story sounds exactly like Yuuji's from Baka and Test.

LOl, not that I think about it, it sorta does huh? That's kinda cool, I guess.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

I've been bullied alot in elementary school, quite a bit in middle school and then little-to-none in high school. With that I can say this: bullying is not gonna stop until you make a fist and knock them the f*** out. Every person who tried to mess with me stopped when I fought them back. They're cowards who are afraid of pain and you have to let them know that they will feel alot of it if they don't f*** off.

On the other hand, bullying does have its "good" points. It really toughen me up and lowered my sense of danger to a scary degree(one time a poisonous snake got into my school cafeteria and all the guys freaked out except me. I picked up the snake and held onto it until animal control arrived. It was a King Cobra that ran away from the owner). I'm a little addicted to combat and fighting and took up martial arts to quinch my thirst.

In the end, bullying ain't gonna stop until the ones getting bullied grow a pair and fight back but theres no way bullying is gonna go away unless there are "extreme" consequences for it.

 

[Scorps]

Hum interesting discussion.

One thing I find interesting (trying to use neutral adjectives here so bare with me) is that some people in this thread blamed the victims of bullying and said little to nothing about the bullies.

Argument: victims are victims because they don't stand up for themselves. They don't stand up for themselves because they are weak.

Counter argument on my part: does being "weak" (if such a thing exists) make you someone who should be bullied? Do all those who simply are different or shy or less outspoken, firm or secure deserve to be bullied?

The answer is clearly simple: no. I mean, someone can be weak or strong or wtv but regardless of what they are they have no right to oppress others and bully others. By saying its the victims fault you're ignoring completely what it feels like to be bullied. I understand some people might not have been in that shoes but...by not being the victim do you really feel its right to be the bully? Is it really ok to say its only the victims fault? I find that weird.

Its almost as if you're saying victims deserve it... Why do they deserve it?

 

[Murasame]

I hate how people call other weak, just because they let others bully them .. I know great people who have incredible intellect, who are really kind an so on, but are extremely sensitive and easily getting depressed by psychological attacks( and all in all are ppl who are potentially victims of bullying). I will call it an instinct, but I want to protect that kind of people at any price, that's what a person who can endure more to mental/ physical aggression should do in my opinion. There are plenty of conditional reasons for someone's "weakness", that others underestimate or don't even know.

Hum interesting discussion.

One thing I find interesting (trying to use neutral adjectives here so bare with me) is that some people in this thread blamed the victims of bullying and said little to nothing about the bullies.

Argument: victims are victims because they don't stand up for themselves. They don't stand up for themselves because they are weak.

Counter argument on my part: does being "weak" (if such a thing exists) make you someone who should be bullied? Do all those who simply are different or shy or less outspoken, firm or secure deserve to be bullied?

The answer is clearly simple: no. I mean, someone can be weak or strong or wtv but regardless of what they are they have no right to oppress others and bully others. By saying its the victims fault you're ignoring completely what it feels like to be bullied. I understand some people might not have been in that shoes but...by not being the victim do you really feel its right to be the bully? Is it really ok to say its only the victims fault? I find that weird.

Its almost as if you're saying victims deserve it... Why do they deserve it?

I'm with these two^^

OT: I've been bullied a lot in the past and in turn have bullied others as well to make myself feel better. I suppose that's how some bullies are made with personal life also being a factor and outside influences. After certain events I realized the mistakes I was making and that I was no better than the people who've bullied me. So I changed and I've tried to become the best person I can be by keeping my bullying or hate to the lowest possible levels I can. Do I regret being bullied? It was probably one of the worst experiences I've had but in turn I grew up to be a better stronger person. So no I don't.
If there was ever someone being bullied I would step in to help anyway I can.

 

[paratise]

I think saying "bullied ones should stand up for themselves" can be generally referred a case of a piece of advice, not reasoning for justifying bullying. Of course it is bully's and none other's fault but bullies won't mechanically change just because they are at the wrong side.

Thing is "where does change start from"? It is from humans of course, the humans who are at the supportive side of the people who are bullied and against bullying. Every action has an opposite and equal reaction. Action of bullying can be countered by reaction against bullying since they won't change themselves unless they are opposed by a counter force.

Obviously i am not saying victims should bear the burden; in fact completely opposite i am saying bullies should take the burden; they won't do it themselves that's why being more than quiet (whether it is for oneself or others) is the solution.