Hashirama's victories against Madara.

[Megax Rocker7]

Correct me if I'm wrong on these:

1-in the fight between Madara and Hashirama in VoTE Couldn't madara use Izanagi and be behind hashirama and stab him? judging how exhausted and defenseless Hashirama was when he stabbed Madara back then is would've been easy to kill him I know Madara's aim was to get his DNA but still....I'm not saying it was a fair fight since Madara needed Kurama to bring Hashirama this far tho.


2-when both edo Madara and Hashirama fought Hashirama didn't really win since he was rendered Immobile with the chakra rods thus it's a tie but couldn't madara use ST on the wood dragons that were negating his preta path thus blowing them away?

I think Madara could've won in both scenario's but correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Everztar]

Madara DID use Izanagi

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[roncato]

Yeah, I always thought the same thing about Izanagi. However, Hashirama had been always fighting Madara without killing intent, right ?

Well, I'm not sure about that last fight, but I think Hashirama still would be able to make a clone or two.

P.S edo's don't count (to me at least) cause Madara took his cells, even his SM, lol.

 

[Phoenix110]

Well you're wrong the only time Madara ever had a serious edge was as edo tenseis

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Madara DID use Izanagi

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Yeah but what I meant is using Izanagi to teleport behind him instead of rewriting his death.

 

[roncato]

Madara DID use Izanagi

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No shit sherlock. :nuts: Look what he asked first.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Madara sure can win if Kishi let him win, but no

 

[Miscreant]

@Vote, Using Izanagi against Hashirama might had been a risk. Yea Hashirama was extremely exhausted, but I'm certain he may had sense the second Madara tries to stab him. And if Madara had failed, he wouldn't had gotten Hashirama cells.

Furthermore, Edo Madara was basically brought at full power since Kabuto specially experimented and enhance his body. While Edo Hashirama stated he wasn't brought at full power unlike when he was alive. This could also mean why Hashirama didn't use his 1000 hands Budhha statue.

 

[Six Paths]

It wasn't Madara's plan to kill Hashirama. All he wanted to do is take his cells under control and start with the huge gathering of the bijuu. Killing hashirama there would lead in everyone in the village to look for him, guard the bijuu, ect ect. It would simply make his job a lot harder. While if he was thought Dead he could have worked without too much worries and try to gain the ultimate power of the Rinnegan and save this world. . .

His other battle he needed his chakra to use sage mode himself. So he was not gonna go easy on him anymore. He used the rods to restrict him with his chakra and try and just absorb his chakra fast.

 

[ninjarasengan]

Hashirama defeated Madara 3 times.

1-It was so bad that Madara was left in a condition were Tobirama could kill him.

2-The Valley...and even if Madara used Izanagi that doesn't suddenly make it guaranteed that he could sneak shot Hashirama. Hashirama was exhausted? So was Madara...and Hashirama even managed to sense Black Zetsu.

3-In how many cases could a ninja have won a battle in this manga had they done something different? But that isn't what happened...Edo Hashirama beat Edo Madara, that's just how it is.

 

[V h o]

1. Could have but it wouldn't change anything.
2. Hashirama was restrained when madara was alive, as he had chakra to use. Wood dragon drained his chakra and hashirama could still move. For whatever reason madara broke out of wood dragon, he gained and could use chakra again, thus activate his chakra rods.

 

[Amaterasu]

1. Madara didn't want to kill Hashirama, he wanted to achieve the IT, and he did... Lot of years after Hashiramas death (He didn't plan Orochimaru to revive him)

 

[VongolaX]

He could of won if he wanted to, he had the kyuubi at Vote.

After the exchange, Madara's Susanoo was taken down but the buddah was completely shot.

Madara still had the kyuubi and Hashirama only had wood human/dragon left.

If he kept the kyuubi, he would of destroyed the other two leaving him the victor.

Instead he gave it up for Izanagi and faked his lose to get stronger.

So he kind of won because he was aiming for the future, so by getting his DNA he became way stronger than Hashirama and lived longer.

 

[Dantee]

I predict they both would have died.

 

[V h o]

He could of won if he wanted to, he had the kyuubi at Vote.

After the exchange, Madara's Susanoo was taken down but the buddah was completely shot.

Madara still had the kyuubi and Hashirama only had wood human/dragon left.

If he kept the kyuubi, he would of destroyed the other two leaving him the victor.

Instead he gave it up for Izanagi and faked his lose to get stronger.

So he kind of won because he was aiming for the future, so by getting his DNA he became way stronger than Madara and lived longer.

Kurama was lost immediately after madara PS was destroyed, madara could not keep kurama in any scenario.

 

[VongolaX]

Kurama was lost immediately after madara PS was destroyed, madara could not keep kurama in any scenario.

He could of got the kyuubi to fire another ttb

 

[Awkward Linguist]

My interpretation of the manga scan is that Madara had used Izanagi before he died because he knew hashi would rekt him. "You can create techniques that would be activated after a certain time". I think this because of the exaggeration on Madara's Mangekyou and the moon just prior his death. Correct me if I'm wrong pls​

 

[V h o]

He could of got the kyuubi to fire another ttb

Naw. He had to leave kurama head because golem was crashing down on him, after SS destroyed his PS. PS was his only defense against golem or SS, and once that was gone he was basically defenseless at that time.

 

[VongolaX]

My interpretation of the manga scan is that Madara had used Izanagi before he died because he knew hashi would rekt him. "You can create techniques that would be activated after a certain time". I think this because of the exaggeration on Madara's Mangekyou and the moon just prior his death. Correct me if I'm wrong pls​

That's like saying itachi knew he would get "rekt," by Hebi Sasuke so he transplanted Amatersu for no other alternative purposes that would require him to die.

If you read the convo on Edo Madara and Hashirama, he reminded Hashirama that he threw that fight

 

[maniaoqan]

Correct me if I'm wrong on these:

1-in the fight between Madara and Hashirama in VoTE Couldn't madara use Izanagi and be behind hashirama and stab him? judging how exhausted and defenseless Hashirama was when he stabbed Madara back then is would've been easy to kill him I know Madara's aim was to get his DNA but still....I'm not saying it was a fair fight since Madara needed Kurama to bring Hashirama this far tho.


2-when both edo Madara and Hashirama fought Hashirama didn't really win since he was rendered Immobile with the chakra rods thus it's a tie but couldn't madara use ST on the wood dragons that were negating his preta path thus blowing them away?

I think Madara could've won in both scenario's but correct me if I'm wrong.

1- Other than Plot no Jutsu, I guess Madara wanted the world to think he died. He was planning to awaken Rinnegan earlier, so it kind of backfired a little.

2- Edo Nagato managed to use two paths at the same time. Robotic arms and soul capturing thingy. Meaning Madara should be able to use Deva and Chakra absorbing at the same time so there is no excuse for this other than it was Plot no Jutsu.