Hashirama's moukton can't possess senjutsu chakra?

[genii96]

I have been wondering for a while,and decided to discuss it. Is that hashirama:s moukton,cant possess senjutsu chakra?.

The first thing about sage mode is that it enhances your powers right?,allowing hashi to create the budha and those torii gates.

However,they dont see to possess senjutsu chakra.

1) his clones,made when he is in sage mode,are all in base,

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2) His attack on tobi,despite it being a senjutsu attack,was destroyed and had little effect,

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whereas sage mode naruto's rasengan,blasted a stronger jin tobi into the ground,

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What do you think?

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Hmmm maybe it's a accident drawn by Kishi, it wouldn't make sense for Hashirama's clones not to have sage power if he himself is wielding said power, as for the restraints he tried to use on Tobi they were restraints not a intentional attack as Naruto did.

 

[TrollingSage]

A common misconception. Obito isnt weak against sen jutsu attacks. It's those little black balls of death that are ineffective against senjutsu. In short only sen jutsu enhanced attacks can't be nullified by his balls, that doesnt mean he can be taken down by every sen jutsu attack
Dunno about the clone thing though. That is a plot hole.

 

[reizon]

sound complicated, but you have a valid point.!!

but if it is a plot hole then im pretty fine overlooking this one.!!

 

[Lay]

It can. Don't agree

 

[VongolaX]

Hashirama's knocked down Obito just like naruto's rasengan did.

Then later Obito gets up, and dust both their attacks off

 

[genii96]

Hmmm maybe it's a accident drawn by Kishi, it wouldn't make sense for Hashirama's clones not to have sage power if he himself is wielding said power, as for the restraints he tried to use on Tobi they were restraints not a intentional attack as Naruto did.

maybe his sage mode is different?,also you maybe right about the restraint thing,but still it shouldnt have been so easily blown away as if it were a normal technique,it had no effect whatsoever. Obito laid flat on the ground for a few secs after a simple rasengan. Also note that he himself wasnt aware of this weakness till he was hit by naruto,which means hashi's sage gate may not have had senjutsu chakra

A common misconception. Obito isnt weak against sen jutsu attacks. It's those little black balls of death that are ineffective against senjutsu. In short only sen jutsu enhanced attacks can't be nullified by his balls, that doesnt mean he can be taken down by every sen jutsu attack
Dunno about the clone thing though. That is a plot hole.

nope,he is weak to senjutsu,he says it himself.

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,he was flat on the ground after a simple rasengan.

It can. Don't agree

please state your reasons.

 

[genii96]

Hashirama's knocked down Obito just like naruto's rasengan did.

Then later Obito gets up, and dust both their attacks off

actually,obito easily broke hashi's senjutsu attack and was unaffected,whereas he stayed flat on the ground for a sec or 2 after naruto had hit him already. Also note that he didnt realize that he was weak to senjutsu until after naruto hit him,despite being attacked by hashirama earlier.

 

[VongolaX]

actually,obito easily broke hashi's senjutsu attack and was unaffected,whereas he stayed flat on the ground for a sec or 2 after naruto had hit him already. Also note that he didnt realize that he was weak to senjutsu until after naruto hit him,despite being attacked by hashirama earlier.

He healed from his attack too.

He just noted that he forgot he can't use kamui:

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Plus he had to use his guard to block Hashirama, after being attack by naruto he decided to put it back up again.

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[BlinkST]

2) His attack on tobi,despite it being a senjutsu attack,was destroyed and had little effect,

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And somehow, you still go out your way to post this embarrassment of a thread.

 

[lanakui8]

Senpou: mokuton:

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Shinsuu senjuu.

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also Juubito didn't have a weakness to senjutsu, it's only that he couldn't just cancel it out like he does with any other jutsu. Hashirama's gates don't do damage, they are meant to seal.

 

[genii96]

He healed from his attack too.

He just noted that he forgot he can't use kamui:

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Plus he had to use his guard to block Hashirama, after being attack by naruto he decided to put it back up again.

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yea, i know he healed from the attack,but it clearly affected him,and he himself stated that he didnt believe that the juubi's jin could have that kind of weakpoint(senjutsu). Also he had not created the black balls then,it was later on he brought them out.
Also how do you explain the clones he made?

And somehow, you still go out your way to post this embarrassment of a thread.

embarrasement?Lol,ive been repped twice because of this thread,and it's just a question i asked,if you cant answer or say something worthwhile,then get lost

Senpou: mokuton:

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Shinsuu senjuu.

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also Juubito didn't have a weakness to senjutsu, it's only that he couldn't just cancel it out like he does with any other jutsu. Hashirama's gates don't do damage, they are meant to seal.

you dont understand the thread,hashi has sage mode yes,but i am asking why the senjutsu dosent transfer to his moukton,example,creating clones which are in base while in sage mode.

 

[lanakui8]

you dont understand the thread,hashi has sage mode yes,but i am asking why the senjutsu dosent transfer to his moukton,example,creating clones which are in base while in sage mode.

Senpou: mokuton shinsuusenjuu means hashirama's shinsuusenjuu is a senjutsu.......

 

[TheTailedSage]

Not something i had considered before. Agreed

 

[Xāvî1]

It can. Don't agree

 

[genii96]

Senpou: mokuton shinsuusenjuu means hashirama's shinsuusenjuu is a senjutsu.......

actually,it simply means the shinsuusenjuu was done when hashi was in sage mode,look here,

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,tobirama also says the same about hashi's gates,that is senpou.

 

[KidGamer65]

.........Its a restraint. Not an attack. Obito's body can only be damaged by Senjutsu but was the purpose of the gate to damage him? No. Its a restraint, so even if its Senjutsu, if Obito is strong enough to break it it will break. If Shinsuusenju had been used to hit Obito he clearly wouldn't have survived or come out unscathed.

I wouldn't know why his clones aren't in Sage Mode though while he makes them.

 

[Bronze]

No all of Hashirama's Jutsu have Senjutsu when in Sage mode. His clones don't have Sage mode because he is not skilled enough to make them go to SM.

 

[LegendaryAce]

No all of Hashirama's Jutsu have Senjutsu when in Sage mode. His clones don't have Sage mode because he is not skilled enough to make them go to SM.

You Love Hashirama Don't You?

 

[VongolaX]

yea, i know he healed from the attack,but it clearly affected him,and he himself stated that he didnt believe that the juubi's jin could have that kind of weakpoint(senjutsu). Also he had not created the black balls then,it was later on he brought them out.
Also how do you explain the clones he made?



embarrasement?Lol,ive been repped twice because of this thread,and it's just a question i asked,if you cant answer or say something worthwhile,then get lost

you dont understand the thread,hashi has sage mode yes,but i am asking why the senjutsu dosent transfer to his moukton,example,creating clones which are in base while in sage mode.

You know by guard i was revering to the flames around his neck.

When Hashirama attacked him, it crumbled after he used those flames around his body.

When naruto attacked him, he didn't use it until after the rasengan.