Hashirama's cells.. and the myths

[KingHashirama]

I just want proof to these myths that people have been creating about his dna:

- It provides larger amounts of chakra.. but yet Yamato was a flop.. and Danzo needed high reserves to maintain that mokuton arm.. In fact its been quite the opposite.. to use Hashirama's dna it seems to take away huge portion of chakra.

- That Hashirama can manipulate his cells.. this is used as an argument when Hashirama broke the restraint of Oro's edo.. but so far no evidence of him being able to manipulate his cells inside others has been provided.

- Getting his cells does not = getting his powers. See the problem is Hashirama made up the techniques for mokuton himself, and its quite sad to assume that he is only restricted to the techniques he has shown, when he can bend Mokuton at will, unlike any of the other people who use his dna. Unless people have evidence that others can do the same (including Madara). Besides Yamato, he can do it on a smaller scale.



Now can anyone please clear these myths up for me , with some manga evidence, or should i take them as myths, (i won't try to argue).

 

[azumaki naruto]

alright.. you're right... Should we close this thread?:Omg:

 

[KingHashirama]

alright.. you're right... Should we close this thread?:Omg:

No i want answers...... .

 

[ANiMUS]

I just want proof to these myths that people have been creating about his dna:

- It provides larger amounts of chakra.. but yet Yamato was a flop.. and Danzo needed high reserves to maintain that mokuton arm.. In fact its been quite the opposite.. to use Hashirama's dna it seems to take away huge portion of chakra.

- That Hashirama can manipulate his cells.. this is used as an argument when Hashirama broke the restraint of Oro's edo.. but so far no evidence of him being able to manipulate his cells inside others has been provided.

- Getting his cells does not = getting his powers. See the problem is Hashirama made up the techniques for mokuton himself, and its quite sad to assume that he is only restricted to the techniques he has shown, when he can bend Mokuton at will, unlike any of the other people who use his dna. Unless people have evidence that others can do the same (including Madara). Besides Yamato, he can do it on a smaller scale.



Now can anyone please clear these myths up for me , with some manga evidence, or should i take them as myths, (i won't say anything back to what anyone else says, or try to argue).

1. His mokuton is not a testament to his high level of chakra, but of his strong yang in his chakra. (vitality and strength) Yang= life. (This is shown by Naruto turning zetsu to trees in KCM) High yang + Blood line selection= mokuton

2. No he can't control his own cells not remotely anyway. Hashi was just so strong that Orochi can't subdue him.

3. Yes if you gain enough Hashi cells then you can use Mokuton, (Danzo, Obito, Madara) For an Uchiha having hashi cells give a chakra increase and using mokuton becomes much less taxing than it would for a non-Uchiha w/ hashi cells

 

[KingHashirama]

1. His mokuton is not a testament to his high level of chakra, but of his strong yang in his chakra. (vitality and strength) Yang= life. (This is shown by Naruto turning zetsu to trees in KCM) High yang + Blood line selection= mokuton

2. No he can't control his own cells not remotely anyway. Hashi was just so strong that Orochi can't subdue him.

3. Yes if you gain enough Hashi cells then you can use Mokuton, (Danzo, Obito, Madara) For an Uchiha having hashi cells give a chakra increase and using mokuton becomes much less taxing than it would for a non-Uchiha w/ hashi cells

How does the Bolded work.

 

[Joker]

How does the Bolded work.

Same way, as if you gain Orochimaru's cells you gain his regeneration (Hax) and jutsu.

 

[ANiMUS]

How does the Bolded work.

Can you think of another reason as to why a twelve year old Obito could use Mokuton w/ self training alone. Obito had over half of his body transplanted, and therefore gained access to Mokuton. Danzo and Madara's have better quality Mokuton because of higher quality hashi cells. (thiers were full blown trees which looked exactly like Hashi's rather than Obito's dead trees)

 

[Waltz]

Hmm..

@1: Danzo didn't need higher chakra reserves, he was too near death to properly control the amount of Chakra Hashirama's implant was surging through his body [

You must be registered for see links

] due to the fact that the bridge between the two was unstable. Orochimaru's version of a Mokuton-Human connection was an incomplete prototype as he failed with the 'Yamato experiment' save Yamato himself, who still fell short of Hashirama's true potential and also failed with Danzo. Kabuto perfected this connection in Edo Madara [

You must be registered for see links

] allowing him to produce Mokuton equal to that of Hashirama. It does enhances the users chakra, which is portrayed in:

-> Obito's stamina and chakra pools.
-> Obito being able to extend Izanagi longer than Danzo due to a higher saturation and control over Senju DNA.
-> Danzo being able to extend Izanagi.
-> Danzo being able to drastically shorten Kotoamatsukami's limitation.

@2: Agreed. I'm more inclined to think that was done to showcase the vastness of his chakra pools that it could even defy the Edo Tensei users control.

@3: See #1 ↑ for power-scaling. Hashirama's power is Mokuton. Anyone who has a portion of his genetic material can utilize Mokuton. The only thing you could be referring to is that it does not equate to having his Jutsu and the aforementioned power-scaling difference. ​

 

[Flawž]

Hmm..

@1: Danzo didn't need higher chakra reserves, he was too near death to properly control the amount of Chakra Hashirama's implant was surging through his body [

You must be registered for see links

] due to the fact that the bridge between the two was unstable. Orochimaru's version of a Mokuton-Human connection was an incomplete prototype as he failed with the 'Yamato experiment' save Yamato himself, who still fell short of Hashirama's true potential and also failed with Danzo. Kabuto perfected this connection in Edo Madara [

You must be registered for see links

] allowing him to produce Mokuton equal to that of Hashirama. It does enhances the users chakra, which is portrayed in:

-> Obito's stamina and chakra pools.
-> Obito being able to extend Izanagi longer than Danzo due to a higher saturation of Senju DNA.
-> Danzo being able to extend Izanagi.
-> Danzo being able to drastically shorten Kotoamatsukami's limitation.

@2: Agreed.

@3: See #1 ↑ for power-scaling. Hashirama's power is Mokuton. Anyone who has a portion of his genetic material can utilize Mokuton. The only thing you could be referring to is that it does not equate to having his Jutsu and the aforementioned power-scaling difference. ​

So you believe that kabuto perfect madara enabling him to preform high level Mokuton compared to that of danzo and obito who also have hashirama's DNA? hmm

 

[Waltz]

Pretty much....It's the reason why he decided to portray Hashirama's true potential which many preferred to take as myth through Edo Madara. ​

 

[Flawž]

Pretty much....It's the reason why he decided to portray Hashirama's true potential which many preferred to take as myth through Edo Madara. ​

Indeed makes sense. It's no wonder Danzo and obito could not preform high level mokuton to that of Edo madara and hashirama.

 

[chopstickchakra]

How does the Bolded work.

Because the manga says so, Zetsu can use Mokuton, Yamato can use Mokuton evidence shows the addition of Hashirama dna leads to the sunject gaining limited control over Mokuton.

 

[KingHashirama]

Not trying to argue, just posing some statements to think about answer:

Same way, as if you gain Orochimaru's cells you gain his regeneration (Hax) and jutsu.

No he stated, that hashi's dna works differently for Non-uchiha/senju and Uchiha/senju

Can you think of another reason as to why a twelve year old Obito could use Mokuton w/ self training alone. Obito had over half of his body transplanted, and therefore gained access to Mokuton. Danzo and Madara's have better quality Mokuton because of higher quality hashi cells. (thiers were full blown trees which looked exactly like Hashi's rather than Obito's dead trees)

But you are forgetting that Madara and Zetsu were there.

But notice how he only used it on a good scale was when he was inside Zetsu's body, otherwise he has never bothered to use it.

Pretty much....It's the reason why he decided to portray Hashirama's true potential which many preferred to take as myth through Edo Madara. ​

Yea but, in the end if you think about it he had the advantage of being a Edo. He ultimately takes no strain of using Hashi's dna since his chakra are restored back to normal after using them. I mean just look at Yamato, his body takes a huge strain, when he tried to use high scale mokuton. Wouldn't that also apply to Madara if he were alive?

Because the manga says so, Zetsu can use Mokuton, Yamato can use Mokuton evidence shows the addition of Hashirama dna leads to the sunject gaining limited control over Mokuton.

Zetsu is purely Mokuton. Yamato has trained with Mokuton though.

 

[Waltz]

It wouldn't apply as Yamato is different from Madara in context of the discussion. Orochimaru was basically performing genetic engineering; his goal was to add new traits from Hashirama's genetic material that are not already found in humans as a means to locate an accurate connection between the two that he would to usurp Hashirama's power [

You must be registered for see links

]. Gene splicing only includes minuscule fragments of DNA meaning that what Yamato would have inherited [

You must be registered for see links

] would have only been a small portion of Hashirama's power which would naturally put a limit on the amount of Mokuton he could produce. Simply put: A Gene is just a small section of a chromosome, and a chromosome is just a small section of a person's DNA. What Madara has is an "

You must be registered for see links

" portion of Hashirama's DNA [his compostion] or better worded as maintained living tissue which surges Shodai's immense chakras throughout his body enabling him to utilize Mokuton at it's true potential. ​

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

 

[chopstickchakra]

Zetsu is purely Mokuton. Yamato has trained with Mokuton though.

Zetsu is a clone of Hashirama and his genetic material was said to be almost identical to Hashirama's (chapter 545) so I don't know if calling him "purely Mokuton" is accurate.

 

[Naijakid]

Lol that's really some myths there

 

[KingHashirama]

It wouldn't apply as Yamato is different from Madara in context of the discussion. Orochimaru was basically performing genetic engineering; his goal was to add new traits from Hashirama's genetic material that are not already found in humans as a means to locate an accurate connection between the two that he would to usurp Hashirama's power [

You must be registered for see links

]. Gene splicing only includes minuscule fragments of DNA meaning that what Yamato would have inherited [

You must be registered for see links

] would have only been a small portion of Hashirama's power which would naturally put a limit on the amount of Mokuton he could produce. Simply put: A Gene is just a small section of a chromosome, and a chromosome is just a small section of a person's DNA. What Madara has is an "

You must be registered for see links

" portion of Hashirama's DNA [his compostion] or better worded as maintained living tissue which surges Shodai's immense chakras throughout his body enabling him to utilize Mokuton at it's true potential. ​

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

But you aren't answering the question of that if Madara was living he would still take the chakra toll that someone like Yamato takes. I mean Hashirama is able to use Mokuton like that due to his Kyuubi level chakra levels, which Madara doesn't have.