Hashirama was nerfed and still beat Edo Madara

[TrollingSage]

I guess so, but I don't see why myojinmon + an oodama FRS would be required if the mokuryuu was enough to completely immobilize Madara.

Same reason Hashirama used myojinmon on the juubi eventhough it was safely sealed in the barrier. Insurance.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Same reason Hashirama used myojinmon on the juubi eventhough it was safely sealed in the barrier. Insurance.

I suppose so

 

[MohamedSenju]

And to add Tobirama even stated The Edo Hokages weren't brought at full power.. Unlike Madara who was brought at full power considering Kabuto upgraded him.

Do you have a source I'm interested??

 

[Demonic.]

Do you have a source I'm interested??

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Not my photobucket account by the way U_U

 

[MohamedSenju]

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Excellent, thanks for the help. Now everything makes sense.

 

[Demonic.]

Excellent, thanks for the help. Now everything makes sense.

No problem bro. There's also this:

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Madara was better than he was in his prime.

 

[MohamedSenju]

No problem bro. There's also this:

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Madara was better than he was in his prime.

Great, now there have been some talk about the difference between Oro's edo and Kabuto's edo.

 

[Demonic.]

Great, now there have been some talk about the difference between Oro's edo and Kabuto's edo.

No difference really.

The thing is Kabuto specifically upgraded Edo Madara, which is why he was stronger than his alive self.

The rest of the Edo Hokages were weaker (except Minato and Hiruzen due to BM for Minato and reserves for Hiruzen).

 

[MohamedSenju]

No difference really.

The thing is Kabuto specifically upgraded Edo Madara, which is why he was stronger than his alive self.

The rest of the Edo Hokages were weaker (except Minato and Hiruzen due to BM for Minato and reserves for Hiruzen).

I understand Madara's unique situation, but I swear Kabuto said something in the lines of having a much better quality Edo-Tense than Oro. He said he perfected This makes Part 1 Hokage fight much more sense. I also noticed how part 1 Old Hiruzen is much better than Edo-Hiruzen. I wish we could see some of his prime elements. We didn't even get to see Monkey King Enma whose taijutsu was at least jonin-level.

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

Complete bullshit as always. Madara stomped that clown and you wankers wont change the facts.

 

[Demonic.]

Complete bullshit as always. Madara stomped that clown and you wankers wont change the facts.

Please explain

 

[Kamui Sama]

Complete bullshit as always. Madara stomped that clown and you wankers wont change the facts.

dat hypocrisy lol

 

[ARGUS]

Edo Madara iis no where near VOTE Madara, or Hashirama,
its pretty clear that he lost despite hashirama not even using SS

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

Please explain

LMFAO! The wood ride still continues when the manga showed Edo Madara winning a long time ago. I'll post what the manga showed to the logical readers and blind readers:

Edo Madara stabbed Edo Hashirama with numbers of rods on his back, and drained most of his reserves out. Edo Hashirama tries to counter that by using Mokuton: Mokuryoo and Naruto throwing Odama Futon: Rasenshuriken. Edo Madara makes all of their efforts useless, which Hashirama confirms. [

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] Hashirama waits for Naruto and Sai to seal Madara, but the latter breaks their efforts yet again.

Hashirama couldn't win in CQC, as the rods ended up stabbing him. He couldn't defeat Madara with his and Naruto's Jutsu together. He couldn't defeat him with Sai's Fuinjutsu.

Edo Madara defeated him without using his full power and without Intent of going all out, since he needed his Senjutsu. Madara won, plain and simple. Manga ended, a year has passed since that defeat. You and all Hashirama's supporters need to deal with the sad fact.

They still do something.

Hashirama may be better, yes, but Madara's is still effective.

Many people agree that Pain's summonings can be summoned by Madara, as it uses his eyes and no blood-contract.

He can use Rinnegan techniques and others at the same time(unlike Sasuke, due to lack of mastery). The wood-dragon absorbed Madara's chakra, and Madara was absorbing Hashirama's, which stalemates. This equalizes the two forces, so it's as if none were absorbing the other.

Lol.

Not really. Edo Madara was still > Hashirama. Madara was aware that he could defeat hashirama with his new powers, but chose not to. Did you see him use any of his Rinnegan paths vs Edo Hashi? Not really. He had only used Susano, out of all his other techs in his arsenal. He was nerfed. Madara did also say that, as madara eloquently put, 'dance' with hashirama. But as you see, Madara being restrained by Hashirama's wooden blocks wasn't a problem. He didn't even look worried when sai was running to seal him. Madara saw that Obito was taken down and had betrayed him, so he needed to switch with Obito before Obito used the revival path for other things. As soon as Madara was revived, you fodderized those wooden restraints, fodderized amaterasu via preta path even though he had no eyes, and negged hashirama with rods that hashirama didn't even sense. He even blitzed Naruto and Sai, then knocked away naruto + Sauce with a fire jutsu. This is when he stopped 'dancing', because he wasn't an edo anymore, and he could get hurt.

The idea Edo Madara < Edo Hashirama is simply retarded and unacceptable. I thought everyone other than Madara haters were clear about this.

But seems like you people need some enlightening.​

Actually if you took time to read the responses , you would know your thread has already been destroyed . All the answers above pretty much cleared all the misconsception.

Madara did not use any Meteor, Fire techniques, Rinnegan summons, Izanagi , Izanami , or even Genjutsu. Nor any wood clones or mokuton , despite the fact his Mokuton prowess was on the same level of Hashirama. Any Mokuton technique Hashirama would have used would have been countered and stalemated by Madara's own Mokuton prowess if he was serious. All the techniques I mentionned above would have obliterated a non senjutsu SS , if Hashi wanted to use it.

All this was Madara's plan to restrain Hashi, also for senjutsu, and as others mentionned, Madara was already leagues above him and he knew it. He dont have to go all out on weaklings like the current and old Kages. He was also constantly in contact with BZ in that time , keeping an eye on the Juubito fight . As I mentionned, all of this was planned.

 

[Demonic.]

Actually if you took time to read the responses , you would know your thread has already been destroyed . All the answers above pretty much cleared all the misconsception.

Madara did not use any Meteor, Fire techniques, Rinnegan summons, Izanagi , Izanami , or even Genjutsu. Nor any wood clones or mokuton , despite the fact his Mokuton prowess was on the same level of Hashirama. Any Mokuton technique Hashirama would have used would have been countered and stalemated by Madara's own Mokuton prowess if he was serious. All the techniques I mentionned above would have obliterated a non senjutsu SS , if Hashi wanted to use it.

All this was Madara's plan to restrain Hashi, also for senjutsu, and as others mentionned, Madara was already leagues above him and he knew it. He dont have to go all out on weaklings like the current and old Kages. He was also constantly in contact with BZ in that time , keeping an eye on the Juubito fight . As I mentionned, all of this was planned.

First part of your post is nothing but irrelevant excuses.

--- he didn't use Katon, mokuton, etc. Already been countered. Madara stated PS was his strongest technique and he used it.

-Any proof he can use those other techniques while PS is out? Nope.
-Why would Madara use second class techniques when he's already using his full power, PS?
-The meteor is a suicide technique. It is useless when your opponent is an Edo. Another excuse.


-----Madara was stalling for time?

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Not according to him. He says he'd beat Hashirama, steal his senjutsu, then fight Juubito. All within 15 minutes. Another excuse.

Do you think Madara was lying and planned to be bound now?

He already admitted he was telling the truth since he says things weren't going as he planned

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[Zavage10]

Can edo madara use limbo?

 

[Demonic.]

Can edo madara use limbo?

No Edo Madara cannot use Limbo. Only Alive Madara can.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

We all know who got neg diffed the next chapter..

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

First part of your post is nothing but irrelevant excuses.

--- he didn't use Katon, mokuton, etc. Already been countered. Madara stated PS was his strongest technique and he used it.

-Any proof he can use those other techniques while PS is out? Nope.
-Why would Madara use second class techniques when he's already using his full power, PS?
-The meteor is a suicide technique. It is useless when your opponent is an Edo. Another excuse.


-----Madara was stalling for time?

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Not according to him. He says he'd beat Hashirama, steal his senjutsu, then fight Juubito. All within 15 minutes. Another excuse.

Do you think Madara was lying and planned to be bound now?

He already admitted he was telling the truth since he says things weren't going as he planned

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things weren't going as planned you're correct. but he wasn't reffering to that scan.

He even said things weren't going as planned.

He was supposed to be revived by rinne tensei, not edo tensei.

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When he meant "beggers cant be choosers" he took it as so what if he was an edo, he still managed to be revived U_U

 

[Demonic.]

We all know who got neg diffed the next chapter..

That was a powered up alive Madara Lol. We're talking about Edo vs Edo.

things weren't going as planned you're correct. but he wasn't reffering to that scan.

He even said things weren't going as planned.

He was supposed to be revived by rinne tensei, not edo tensei.

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When he meant "beggers cant be choosers" he took it as so what if he was an edo, he still managed to be revived U_U

Right....it had nothing at all to do with what he said here:

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Lol, you Madara fans and your excuses/twisting of words.