Hashirama was nerfed and still beat Edo Madara

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Senjus >>>> uchihas
Ashura>>>> Indra
Hashi >>> madara
Naruto>>>> sasuke

#Manga phax

 

[Holy God]

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And no it's not, lmao. That's why he used PS instead.

PS > Madara's entire arsenal

He meant the rods were absorbing Hashirama's chakra. Stated a little latter on, Hashirama was surprised that Madara could absorb actual techniques. No paths used. He didn't even use the summoning path.

Okay? That doesn't mean that everything else is useless. Madara could've used the wood-dragon and golem too. He could've done everything Hashirama could except for Sage Mode required techniques.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

3. The only summoning Madara had was Kyuubi and he is inside Naruto and Minato

Actually, Madara summoned the mokuton dragon as well.

 

[Umari Senju]

He meant the rods were absorbing Hashirama's chakra. Stated a little latter on, Hashirama was surprised that Madara could absorb actual techniques. No paths used. He didn't even use the summoning path.

Okay? That doesn't mean that everything else is useless. Madara could've used the wood-dragon and golem too. He could've done everything Hashirama could except for Sage Mode required techniques.

Hashirama was in Sage Mode when he used the golem and the Buddha statue so I don't think Madara could do those at the time at least.

 

[Umari Senju]

Actually, Madara summoned the mokuton dragon as well.

but isn't Mokuton dragon a jutsu and not Kuchyose?

 

[Holy God]

Or maybe he knew they would be pointless to use as:

1. His fire techniques didn't help save him the last time they fought.

2. As others stated, Hashi is the true mokuton master

3. The only summoning Madara had was Kyuubi and he is inside Naruto and Minato

4. He used chakra rods but I don't think Madara was capable of using Rinnegan tech while Susanoo is active. This i am unsure of and may be possibly wrong. plus, wasn't Hashi's Mokuton keeping him from using the Rinnegan techs by absorbing his chakra? Not sure on this either.

They still do something.

Hashirama may be better, yes, but Madara's is still effective.

Many people agree that Pain's summonings can be summoned by Madara, as it uses his eyes and no blood-contract.

He can use Rinnegan techniques and others at the same time(unlike Sasuke, due to lack of mastery). The wood-dragon absorbed Madara's chakra, and Madara was absorbing Hashirama's, which stalemates. This equalizes the two forces, so it's as if none were absorbing the other.

 

[Holy God]

Hashirama was in Sage Mode when he used the golem and the Buddha statue so I don't think Madara could do those at the time at least.

The golem does not, but the large Buddha does.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Senjus >>>> uchihas
Ashura=Indra
Rinnegan Madara>Hashirama
Naruto=sasuke

#Manga phax

Fixed it for you.

 

[Demonic.]

No paths used. He didn't even use the summoning path.

Madara couldn't use those paths, fool. His Rinnegan was a fake, that's why he couldn't summon the Gedo. What Madara could do with the fake Rinnegan was limited. Only what we saw is what he could do, that's why he couldn't use limbo either. Don't try to bring fanfic into this Lol
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Okay? That doesn't mean that everything else is useless. Madara could've used the wood-dragon and golem too. He could've done everything Hashirama could except for Sage Mode required techniques.

He used his strongest technique Perfect Susano. No proof he could even have wood golem out while PS is out. Has Hashirama ever used 2 wood golems? Lmao, that desperation.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

They tied, idiot. Hashirama couldn't move because of the black rods, Madara couldn't move because of the wood dragon & gates.

 

[Umari Senju]

They still do something.

Hashirama may be better, yes, but Madara's is still effective.

Many people agree that Pain's summonings can be summoned by Madara, as it uses his eyes and no blood-contract.

He can use Rinnegan techniques and others at the same time(unlike Sasuke, due to lack of mastery). The wood-dragon absorbed Madara's chakra, and Madara was absorbing Hashirama's, which stalemates. This equalizes the two forces, so it's as if none were absorbing the other.

Okay I see what you mean by summoning, though we can't really say if the summonings Nagato had were a result of Animal path since he was the only one to use them. Neither Obito, Sasuke, or Madara have never been seen using them. Although this might be because they haven't officially signed a contract with them before use but may still have access to them so your point is Valid.

At the part with Mokuton and Rinnegan's absorption abilities cancelling each other out...well there you go. You answered your own question as to why Madara wasn't using Rinnegan techs....they cancelled each other out.

 

[KingHashirama]

They tied, idiot. Hashirama couldn't move because of the black rods, Madara couldn't move because of the wood dragon & gates.

@Bold, Hashirama could move with the black rods.. it was only after Black zetsu saved Madara, that madara restrained hashirama.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

but isn't Mokuton dragon a jutsu and not Kuchyose?

Considering a dragon is an animal and the thing was airborn, decidedly not lols.

Madara held back A LOT. He didn't make avatars out of any of the alliance shinobi, didn't use Limbo, Deva Path's Shinra Tensei, Banshou Tenin or Chibaku tensei, Asura path's particle weapons or missiles, Animal Path's Rinne animals (there's a lot more summons) or Naraka Path's King of Hell.

 

[Demonic.]

They tied, idiot. Hashirama couldn't move because of the black rods, Madara couldn't move because of the wood dragon & gates.

Hashirama had the black rods and still moved:

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After Madara was revived / received a powerboost and broke free that's when he immobilized Hashirama

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Try reading the manga, idiot

 

[Holy God]

Madara couldn't use those paths, fool. His Rinnegan was a fake, that's why he couldn't summon the Gedo. What Madara could do with the fake Rinnegan was limited. Only what we saw is what he could do, that's why he couldn't use limbo either. Don't try to bring fanfic into this Lol
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He used his strongest technique Perfect Susano. No proof he could even have wood golem out while PS is out. Has Hashirama ever used 2 wood golems? Lmao, that desperation.

Are you saying Madara can't use the six paths now? Summoning Gedo Mazo is different then the creatures. The tailed beast who asked didn't even know, she had asked if it was possible. Therefore, it's not even a fact that he can't summon the demonic statue.

Just because he didn't, doesn't mean he can't. I'm sure you'd also say that there was no way someone could make two Susano'o, but Madara made 25. Pretty sure 2 Perfect Susano'o would roflstomp Hashirama. No desperation, just logic over here.

 

[Gerkak]

He meant the rods were absorbing Hashirama's chakra. Stated a little latter on, Hashirama was surprised that Madara could absorb actual techniques. No paths used. He didn't even use the summoning path.

Okay? That doesn't mean that everything else is useless. Madara could've used the wood-dragon and golem too. He could've done everything Hashirama could except for Sage Mode required techniques.

Using those against hashi would be pointless since maddy's wood release is weaker than Hashi's.

Proof?

Here we see hashirama's wood dragon wrap around 100% kurama[

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Here we see madara's wood dragon wrap around yang kurama[

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Madara's wood dragon is clearly smaller since we know that yang kurama is less than 50% the size of yin-yang kurama.

Here we see madara's seep forest emergence beneth his V4
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] Pay attention to the wood release roots beneath madara's susanoo.

Now look at hashirama's deep forest emergence beneath madara's V4 susanoo[

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The difference is clear and undeniable. Hashirama's wood release is superior. He is the original after all. Maddy did well.

 

[Umari Senju]

Considering a dragon is an animal and the thing was airborn, decidedly not lols.

Madara held back A LOT. He didn't make avatars out of any of the alliance shinobi, didn't use Limbo, Deva Path's Shinra Tensei or Chibaku tensei, Animal Path (there's a lot more summons) or King of Hell.

I actually just looked it up. It is not Kuchyose. It is Ninjutsu.

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The user creates a gigantic wooden dragon, which they can they use for a multitude of purposes including restraining a target, or for offensive purposes. The dragon that the user creates can vary in terms of appearance. While both instances created a serpentine dragon, Chinese dragon, though the first had a short trunk-like nose, while the other two later created did not. It also has the ability to absorb chakra from its target, slowly rendering them unable to use techniques.[2][3] In the anime, Hashirama was able to cause the dragon to detonate on his target, resulting in a large explosion.[4]

In any Summoning tech the description always starts out with "the user summons." Also blood is required and the hand must be slammed on the ground in a summoning tech to create the seal to summon it. This was not the case for Mokuton Dragon.

You are kind of making assumptions off of the basis that it is an animal shape. It's like the 2nd Mizukages Joki Boy. It takes on his shape and moves around of its own accord but it is not concider Kage Bushin nor Kuchyose.

 

[Demonic.]

Are you saying Madara can't use the six paths now? Summoning Gedo Mazo is different then the creatures. The tailed beast who asked didn't even know, she had asked if it was possible. Therefore, it's not even a fact that he can't summon the demonic statue.

Why couldn't Edo Madara use limbo? Maybe cause I'm right and you're just spouting desperate BS U_U

Just because he didn't, doesn't mean he can't. I'm sure you'd also say that there was no way someone could make two Susano'o, but Madara made 25. Pretty sure 2 Perfect Susano'o would roflstomp Hashirama. No desperation, just logic over here.

Are you a freaking idiot? Madara made 25 legged Susano. Much smaller and weaker than PS. Wood Golem (which stalemated Ps) would squash 25 legged Susano. Lmao.

 

[Holy God]

Okay I see what you mean by summoning, though we can't really say if the summonings Nagato had were a result of Animal path since he was the only one to use them. Neither Obito, Sasuke, or Madara have never been seen using them. Although this might be because they haven't officially signed a contract with them before use but may still have access to them so your point is Valid.

At the part with Mokuton and Rinnegan's absorption abilities cancelling each other out...well there you go. You answered your own question as to why Madara wasn't using Rinnegan techs....they cancelled each other out.

Yes, it's undecided, but they are part of the paths, due to Nagato having someone for doing it, and the animals carrying the users' Rinnegan traits(such as the rods and eyes).

That actually proves my point. If they cancel each other out(meaning nothing is happening to either or their chakra levels), then Madara can use other paths to free himself, such as the Gravity Path.

 

[Demonic.]

Yes, it's undecided, but they are part of the paths, due to Nagato having someone for doing it, and the animals carrying the users' Rinnegan traits(such as the rods and eyes).

That actually proves my point. If they cancel each other out(meaning nothing is happening to either or their chakra levels), then Madara can use other paths to free himself, such as the Gravity Path.

You're giving Madara powers he never showed. It took Sasuke a while to even perform chibaku tensei, yet you assume Madara has mastery of all paths right off the bat? Lol

This is why we only use feats. Get over it