Hashirama vs Tobi

[TheSages456]

Two Problems with your Post.

Saying Tobi wouldn't be able to absorb it with preta path because of the Force/impact would be suicide?.

I mean what kind of argument is that?,

Tobi Stopped Zabuza's sword with his Arm. Taking zero damage

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Even a frail/cruppled Nagato was able to take a Punch from bee in his 8tailed biiju cloke.

So i Highly doubt a direct hit from Mokuton will do any serious damage to Tobi, Thats even if he lets it hit him and doesn't just Phase through it.

As for Tobi's S/T, Hashirama wouldn't be fast enough to counter it, Even with FTG minato barely escaped it.
asoon as he grabbed minato the Warping had already started.

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he was forced to use FTG to escape it.

Tobi even Hinted he could of warped him even faster the second timeround.

So i fail to see how Hashirama is countering it in a Split second.

the sheer size of mokuton along with the force of it coming would crush tobi. are you saying
a swing of a sword from suigetsu>the force of a forest coming at you?

tobi said that he would warp minato the moment he layed a hand on him. hashirama growing wood from his body or having mokuton clones back him up takes away the possibility of hashirama being warped. what im saying is that hashirama can do either of those things to prevent tobi from even laying his hand on hashirama to warp him in the first place.

 

[TobisPawn]

dont try some bullshit about tsunade calling tobi immortal. hashiramas strength was a myth and its obvious why its a myth as he beat madara who is already one of the strongest entities in the narutoverse by himself and 100% kyuubi(the strongest tailed beast who neither gedo mazo or tobis arsenal of tailed beasts can beat). even 50% kyuubi took out the beasts with a little help from bee. 100% kyuubi would stomp them.

correction. hashirama just claps his hands together to use mokuton. danzo grew an entire tree from his arm with no handseals so thats a moot point. kabuto knows that tobi has the rinnegan and the tailed beasts with gedo mazo. he sent the edo jins to tobi so he knows about them.

you keep pulling out a half-assed argument about tobi turning gedo mazo intangible. from what we have seen, he doesnt even fight with gedo mazo. he is just standing at the back controlling it. so its either tobi fights with 6 paths or gedo mazo or using his own body. why the hell did you list OP genjutsu. its not like hes beating hashirama with genjutsu and its obvious why. as for the bijuus. whats mokuton special ability again? the gedo mazo is handled the same way the bijuus are. hashirama just uses clones to help restrain it in a team effort.

shinra tensei- countered by healing or tanking it with mokuton clones

preta path- tobi wont have time to absorb the chakra inside mokuton as the trees with be coming at him with so much force and impact that trying to absorb them would basically be suicide.

asura path- missles are tanked by wood walls

human path- tobi wont lay a hand on hashirama due to this:

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animal path- summons are restrained by mokuton. hashirama can make clones do this while he concentrates on tobi

hell realm- its useless as tobi wont be able to revive himself when he dies.

space-time- its been shown that most of the times tobi has to be touching you to warp you so this is countering it:

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tobis warping is also an extremely close range move.

So now you get to pick what Manga statements we're allowed to use, and not allowed to use? And Kurama didn't take out the beasts, Naruto just removed the stakes. Kurama was about to get stomped without Bee subduing 1-2 beasts.

For your half-assed Mokuton argument:

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You're saying Hashirama will clap his hands like this

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When Tobi is doing this to him?

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LOL NO. Torune didn't have time to react; neither will Hashirama. Now you're an extreme Hashirama wanker (though you already are one) if you think Hashirama is growing Mokuton in that situation.

For Kabuto:

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Its funny how you think Tobi has shown his full power. And again, you're relying on a 21 year old's words as proof in this argument? Why don't you tell me how Hashirama counters the S/T techs (not your retarded Mokuton argument) and the Rinnegan?

For Gedo Mazo:

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So Tobi can't turn Gedo Mazo intangible for some reason? Care to show me why? And Tobi shouldn't/wouldn't use the actual Jins. They're better off inside Gedo Mazo, which can still use TBB. Tobi himself can fight when needed, or fight along with Gedo. Gedo Mazo won't be restrained when its intangible. But oh yeah! You decide which manga evidence you like to use, so you won't agree that it can go intangible!

For you're crappy Shinra Tensei argument:

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LOL Shinra Tensei is tanked by Mokuton clones, how? Hashirama is sent flying too. And the healing doesn't matter, Shinra Tensei will distract him long enough for Tobi to warp him.

For your shitty Preta Path argument:

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Tobi turns intangible, or Shinra Tenseis the Mokuton away. OR Gedo Mazo simply yells. Problem?

Your Wood Release: Great Forest Technique argument:

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So you're implying that Hashirama has better reflexes than Minato, and that his Mokuton is faster than FTG? NO way is Hashirama making the handsigns fast enough and forming Mokuton on the exact spot Tobi is grabbing him (in the extremely short time before Hashirama is gone).

Animal Path

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So if he makes clones for those, then he's not making clones for every other damn thing you keep using them as an argument for. gg.

Hell Realm

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Too bad he's not dying anyway.

Space-Time

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Countered everywhere above. But as a tl;dr: Hashirama's reflexes =/ Minato's reflexes. Hashirama won't notice anything (such as Torune), and he won't be making handseals and Mokuton in the exact spot needed, in that little time.

the sheer size of mokuton along with the force of it coming would cush tobi. are you saying
a swing of a sword from suigetsu>the force of a forest coming at you?

tobi said that he would warp minato the moment he layed a hand on him. hashirama growing wood from his body or having mokuton clones back him up takes away the possibility of hashirama being warped. what im saying is that hashirama can do either of those things to prevent tobi from even laying his hand on hashirama to warp him in the first place.

>Implying that Hashirama's reflexes = Minato's, and implying that using handsigns and growing Mokuton = FTG's speed. LOL

 

[TheSages456]

So now you get to pick what Manga statements we're allowed to use, and not allowed to use? And Kurama didn't take out the beasts, Naruto just removed the stakes. Kurama was about to get stomped without Bee subduing 1-2 beasts.

For your half-assed Mokuton argument:

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You're saying Hashirama will clap his hands like this

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When Tobi is doing this to him?

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LOL NO. Torune didn't have time to react; neither will Hashirama. Now you're an extreme Hashirama wanker (though you already are one) if you think Hashirama is growing Mokuton in that situation.

For Kabuto:

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Its funny how you think Tobi has shown his full power. And again, you're relying on a 21 year old's words as proof in this argument? Why don't you tell me how Hashirama counters the S/T techs (not your retarded Mokuton argument) and the Rinnegan?

For Gedo Mazo:

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So Tobi can't turn Gedo Mazo intangible for some reason? Care to show me why? And Tobi shouldn't/wouldn't use the actual Jins. They're better off inside Gedo Mazo, which can still use TBB. Tobi himself can fight when needed, or fight along with Gedo. Gedo Mazo won't be restrained when its intangible. But oh yeah! You decide which manga evidence you like to use, so you won't agree that it can go intangible!

For you're crappy Shinra Tensei argument:

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LOL Shinra Tensei is tanked by Mokuton clones, how? Hashirama is sent flying too. And the healing doesn't matter, Shinra Tensei will distract him long enough for Tobi to warp him.

For your shitty Preta Path argument:

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Tobi turns intangible, or Shinra Tenseis the Mokuton away. OR Gedo Mazo simply yells. Problem?

Your Wood Release: Great Forest Technique argument:

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So you're implying that Hashirama has better reflexes than Minato, and that his Mokuton is faster than FTG? NO way is Hashirama making the handsigns fast enough and forming Mokuton on the exact spot Tobi is grabbing him (in the extremely short time before Hashirama is gone).

Animal Path

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So if he makes clones for those, then he's not making clones for every other damn thing you keep using them as an argument for. gg.

Hell Realm

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Too bad he's not dying anyway.

Space-Time

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Countered everywhere above. But as a tl;dr: Hashirama's reflexes =/ Minato's reflexes. Hashirama won't notice anything (such as Torune), and he won't be making handseals and Mokuton in the exact spot needed, in that little time.

>Implying that Hashirama's reflexes = Minato's, and implying that using handsigns and growing Mokuton = FTG's speed. LOL

actually naruto did take out all the beasts. are you saying that BM naruto wasnt beating the beasts when the entire chapter obviously showed that kurama was stronger than all of them. the only time bee helped was when the 3 tails tried to steamroll kurama. 100% kurama is twice the size and strength of the 50% kurama that is stronger than the combined powers of most of the other tailed beasts. gedo mazo isnt stopping 100% kurama. but guess what hashirama took on ems madara who can change the landscape with 1 attack and 100% kurama who is stronger than almost everything in tobis arsenal. put the pieces together.

no im saying hashirama can counter being warped by this:

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you see how fast mokuton came out. it came out a millisecond before susanos arrow made contact. as you can obviously see, no handseals were needed.

tobi cant turn it intangible and he doesnt fight with gedo mazo as you obviously saw from the latest chapter. its taken out with mokuton.

narutos base shadow clones tanked shinra tensei. mokuton clones are much more durable than shadow clones. so obviously using common sense they would tank it.

as long as we both know preta path has no relevance in this match. oh btw gedo mazo is already taken out.

for the shitty space-time argument:

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mind you danzo activated mokuton after the arrow was fired and sasukes susano arrow has been noted by kakashi and danzo to be too fast to dodge.

animal path summons are taken out by mokuton clones as they have all the abilities of the original.

tobis gonna die.

there i countered another one of your crappy arguments. problem?
the funny thing is that i havent even taken into account the flower tree world. hashirama uses the flower tree world and the moment tobi turns tangible, he gets put to sleep. problem?

 

[TobisPawn]

actually naruto did take out all the beasts. are you saying that BM naruto wasnt beating the beasts when the entire chapter obviously showed that kurama was stronger than all of them. the only time bee helped was when the 3 tails tried to steamroll kurama. 100% kurama is twice the size and strength of the 50% kurama that is stronger than the combined powers of most of the other tailed beasts. gedo mazo isnt stopping 100% kurama. but guess what hashirama took on ems madara who can change the landscape with 1 attack and 100% kurama who is stronger than almost everything in tobis arsenal. put the pieces together.

no im saying hashirama can counter being warped by this:

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you see how fast mokuton came out. it came out a millisecond before susanos arrow made contact. as you can obviously see, no handseals were needed.

tobi cant turn it intangible and he doesnt fight with gedo mazo as you obviously saw from the latest chapter. its taken out with mokuton.

narutos base shadow clones tanked shinra tensei. mokuton clones are much more durable than shadow clones. so obviously using common sense they would tank it.

as long as we both know preta path has no relevance in this match. oh btw gedo mazo is already taken out.

for the shitty space-time argument:

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mind you danzo activated mokuton after the arrow was fired and sasukes susano arrow has been noted by kakashi and danzo to be too fast to dodge.

animal path summons are taken out by mokuton clones as they have all the abilities of the original.

tobis gonna die.

there i countered another one of your crappy arguments. problem?
the funny thing is that i havent even taken into account the flower tree world. hashirama uses the flower tree world and the moment tobi turns tangible, he gets put to sleep. problem?

BM Naruto would have lost without Bee. Its as simple as that. And Gedo Mazo uses soul ripping dragons on it. And no, the Rinnegan is stronger than any Bijuu. Anyway, this isn't EMS Madara vs Tobi (because you're extremely delusional on that), its Tobi vs Hashirama.

For your Mokuton growing thing:

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Do you get what I'm trying to say? The issue is, just like Torune, that Hashirama won't see Tobi coming (like Danzo did with the arrow), so he won't be growing Mokuton out of himself for no reason.

Gedo Mazo:

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And this is why you're one of the shittiest debaters I've come across. Anything that works in your favor (i.e. Kabuto's statements), you use. Anything that works against you (i.e. Tsunade's statements), you disregard. I'll stomp this one last post (again), but that's it. I'm sick of you.

Shinra Tensei

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Oh, so Pain, with a chakra-depleted Nagato, has Shinra Tensei on par with Tobi's (chakra rods noted to be stronger than Nagato's). Good one. And Hashirama isn't making as many clones as Naruto, who has Kurama's chakra with him. And still, it can easily be used to distract Hashirama

You're terrible S/T argument:

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Danzo saw the arrows coming. He was free to move however he felt. Hashirama won't see Tobi coming. He'll be distorted by warping. You. understand. what. me. say?

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So if Hashirama's using clones for the summons, he's not using them for anything else. gg.

Hashirama is done for.

LOLOL you countered my argument? You disregard anything that works against you, can't read right, use the same disproved shitty arguments, and I still prove you wrong. For flower tree world, don't make me lol. Shinra Tensei or Gedo Mazo's yell sends the whole forest and pollen at Hashirama. And you still haven't countered Gedo Mazo's TBB, Chibaku Tensei, and S/T techs.

 

[Exaar]

BM Naruto would have lost without Bee. Its as simple as that. And Gedo Mazo uses soul ripping dragons on it. And no, the Rinnegan is stronger than any Bijuu. Anyway, this isn't EMS Madara vs Tobi (because you're extremely delusional on that), its Tobi vs Hashirama.

For your Mokuton growing thing:

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Do you get what I'm trying to say? The issue is, just like Torune, that Hashirama won't see Tobi coming (like Danzo did with the arrow), so he won't be growing Mokuton out of himself for no reason.

Gedo Mazo:

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And this is why you're one of the shittiest debaters I've come across. Anything that works in your favor (i.e. Kabuto's statements), you use. Anything that works against you (i.e. Tsunade's statements), you disregard. I'll stomp this one last post (again), but that's it. I'm sick of you.

Shinra Tensei

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Oh, so Pain, with a chakra-depleted Nagato, has Shinra Tensei on par with Tobi's (chakra rods noted to be stronger than Nagato's). Good one. And Hashirama isn't making as many clones as Naruto, who has Kurama's chakra with him. And still, it can easily be used to distract Hashirama

You're terrible S/T argument:

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Danzo saw the arrows coming. He was free to move however he felt. Hashirama won't see Tobi coming. He'll be distorted by warping. You. understand. what. me. say?

Animal Path:

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So if Hashirama's using clones for the summons, he's not using them for anything else. gg.

Hashirama is done for.

LOLOL you countered my argument? You disregard anything that works against you, can't read right, use the same disproved shitty arguments, and I still prove you wrong. For flower tree world, don't make me lol. Shinra Tensei or Gedo Mazo's yell sends the whole forest and pollen at Hashirama. And you still haven't countered Gedo Mazo's TBB, Chibaku Tensei, and S/T techs.

You already had him beat with your last Post.

Hashirama hasn't the speed nor reflexs to counter Tobi's S/T

 

[TobisPawn]

You already had him beat with your last Post.

Hashirama hasn't the speed nor reflexs to counter Tobi's S/T

He refuses to accept that. He's a massive Hashirama wanker; he'll take Kabuto's words as the words of a god. But anything else that isn't in his favor, he disregards. LOL Have you noticed that whenever I prove him wrong, he ignores that and only replies to the rest of my posts?

 

[arv993]

You already had him beat with your last Post.

Hashirama hasn't the speed nor reflexs to counter Tobi's S/T

u know this because you have seen him fight and seen his speed feats and his reflexes since u obviously didnt please stop assuming stuff when we havent seen much of hashi or specifically in this case his reflexes and speed.

if i had to go with anyone its tobi but he will face some difficulty against someone as good as hashirama. his techs so far are incredible and hyped like crazy by madara but tobi simply has the advnatge with s/t, rinnegan and bijus

 

[TobisPawn]

u know this because you have seen him fight and seen his speed feats and his reflexes since u obviously didnt please stop assuming stuff when we havent seen much of them or specifically in this case his reflexes and speed.

if i had to go with anyone its tobi but he will face some difficulty against someone as good as hashirama. his techs so far are incredible and hyped like crazy by madara but tobi simply has the advnatge with s/t, rinnegan and bijus

Exactly. Hashirama has no speed or reflex feats. U_U AND he has no S/T techs like FTG. So until we see more, he's not avoiding Tobi's S/T techs. Simple. But Tobi, with the Rinnegan, really wouldn't even need them.

 

[arv993]

Exactly. Hashirama has no speed or reflex feats. U_U AND he has no S/T techs like FTG. So until we see more, he's not avoiding Tobi's S/T techs. Simple. But Tobi, with the Rinnegan, really wouldn't even need them.

if he doesnt have them you cant assume towards one side or the other, its like saying izuna has no feats so right now sakura can beat him no thats not how it works we have to leave it out for now. danzo was able to use mokuton extremely fast so there is a chance so can hashirama and he has a good substitution jutsu only madara can see through so i dont think he is completely useless against s/t jutsu.

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but regardless rinnegan is the difference maker and he would win but with difficulty.

 

[TheSages456]

BM Naruto would have lost without Bee. Its as simple as that. And Gedo Mazo uses soul ripping dragons on it. And no, the Rinnegan is stronger than any Bijuu. Anyway, this isn't EMS Madara vs Tobi (because you're extremely delusional on that), its Tobi vs Hashirama.

For your Mokuton growing thing:

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Do you get what I'm trying to say? The issue is, just like Torune, that Hashirama won't see Tobi coming (like Danzo did with the arrow), so he won't be growing Mokuton out of himself for no reason.

Gedo Mazo:

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And this is why you're one of the shittiest debaters I've come across. Anything that works in your favor (i.e. Kabuto's statements), you use. Anything that works against you (i.e. Tsunade's statements), you disregard. I'll stomp this one last post (again), but that's it. I'm sick of you.

Shinra Tensei

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Oh, so Pain, with a chakra-depleted Nagato, has Shinra Tensei on par with Tobi's (chakra rods noted to be stronger than Nagato's). Good one. And Hashirama isn't making as many clones as Naruto, who has Kurama's chakra with him. And still, it can easily be used to distract Hashirama

You're terrible S/T argument:

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Danzo saw the arrows coming. He was free to move however he felt. Hashirama won't see Tobi coming. He'll be distorted by warping. You. understand. what. me. say?

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So if Hashirama's using clones for the summons, he's not using them for anything else. gg.

Hashirama is done for.

LOLOL you countered my argument? You disregard anything that works against you, can't read right, use the same disproved shitty arguments, and I still prove you wrong. For flower tree world, don't make me lol. Shinra Tensei or Gedo Mazo's yell sends the whole forest and pollen at Hashirama. And you still haven't countered Gedo Mazo's TBB, Chibaku Tensei, and S/T techs.

kurama who was half as strong as he used to be was manhandling 5 other bijuus. its as simple as that. do you even know how soul ripping dragons work on a bijuu. it doesnt take a soul, it seals the bijuu and that took days to do even with all the akatsuki members helping with the process.
100% kurama>gedo mazo
i dont know why you even brought madara up.

mokuton clones covering hashiramas back should do just fine. but i guess your gonna say it wont since you think hashirama is only as strong as danzos root duo. hashirama will have the environmental advantage. hashirama is either gonna fight tobi whos using his own body, gedo mazo or the 6 paths. tobi doesnt fight with gedo mazo or the 6 paths. say if tobi somehow restrains hashirama then goes to warp him. hashirama would grow an entire tree like danzo did that could hurt and/or repel tobi. tobi isnt going to beat hashirama just by teleporting behind him and warping him.

you keep using bullshit and im using manga facts. you then try to make up these scenarios which wouldnt happen then get mad when i effortlessly counter them. mokuton>gedo mazo

an exhausted part 1 kakashi used multi kage bunshins like naruto did so i dont see the problem unless your saying part 1 kakashi has greater chakra reserves than hashirama. a few of hashiramas cells allowed danzo to wield 11 sharingans(i think).

nagatos shinra tensei didnt get any weaker after he used chibaku tensei but please keep trying to use a half-assed argument like that.

danzo said that the arrows were too fast so know he wouldnt be able to just move around. there is obviously some time to counter during tobis warping. stop overrating him. you do realize that no matter how distorted hashirama is, he will still be able to grow wood out of his body to stop tobi.

its quite a simple concept. a few clones go to restrain summons and a few are backup for hashirama.

gedo mazo is restrained by mokuton. its not yelling or blowing it away with wood wrapped around its body. hashirama would grow a forest out of chibaku tensei and pull it apart from the inside. hashiramas forest is far bigger than chibaku tensei. also you do realize tobi would have to turn tangible to use shinra tensei. when he turns tangible, he gets put to sleep.

 

[TheSages456]

Exactly. Hashirama has no speed or reflex feats. U_U AND he has no S/T techs like FTG. So until we see more, he's not avoiding Tobi's S/T techs. Simple. But Tobi, with the Rinnegan, really wouldn't even need them.

i can just as easily say that tobi has no feats using the six paths rinnegan techs so he cant use them.

 

[Exaar]

i can just as easily say that tobi has no feats using the six paths rinnegan techs so he cant use them.

There is a reason why has hasn't use them. Kakashi/Gai pointed it out also.

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The reason Tobi nor the Jins are using the paths is because tobi is using to much chakra controlling the beasts with his eye powers, because of that he hasn't the chakra to use the other paths.

If he didn't use the bijuu then he could use the paths.

 

[TobisPawn]

if he doesnt have them you cant assume towards one side or the other, its like saying izuna has no feats so right now sakura can beat him no thats not how it works we have to leave it out for now. danzo was able to use mokuton extremely fast so there is a chance so can hashirama and he has a good substitution jutsu only madara can see through so i dont think he is completely useless against s/t jutsu.

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but regardless rinnegan is the difference maker and he would win but with difficulty.

But it'd be hard to counter Tobi without Shinra Tensei and/or S/T techs..

 

[TheSages456]

There is a reason why has hasn't use them. Kakashi/Gai pointed it out also.

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The reason Tobi nor the Jins are using the paths is because tobi is using to much chakra controlling the beasts with his eye powers, because of that he hasn't the chakra to use the other paths.

If he didn't use the bijuu then he could use the paths.

it doesnt matter. using his logic tobi has no feats with it so he wouldnt be able to use it. naruto said that kurama was fast and hashirama obviously avoided being killed by it in his fight with madara. madara avoided gaaras sand with ease and hashirama obviously should have been able to keep up with madara so we could say that hashirama isnt as slow as TobisPawn is trying to say.

 

[arv993]

But it'd be hard to counter Tobi without Shinra Tensei and/or S/T techs..

hard not impossible. he can trick him with his substitution jutsu which is definitely possible like i said b4. it can counter him and attack him when he is tangible by popping out of nowhere like madara did with tsunade. but its hard to pull off and if u add in the rinnegan i agree with u tobi beats him but i doubt he wins with easy diffuculty

 

[sasori345]

If Tobi has the 6 Bijuu,rinnegan and gedo mazo he win.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I think Hashi.Hes just too epic lol

 

[TobisPawn]

hard not impossible. he can trick him with his substitution jutsu which is definitely possible like i said b4. it can counter him and attack him when he is tangible by popping out of nowhere like madara did with tsunade. but its hard to pull off and if u add in the rinnegan i agree with u tobi beats him but i doubt he wins with easy diffuculty

True, if he can pull it off with a Mokuton Clone. But I still see no way for Hashirama to defeat any Rinnegan user, let alone one with S/T techs like Tobi's.

Their has only been two-three times in which Tobi's S/T techs were countered:

1. Through FTG (an S/T tech) which Hashirama does not have
2. An intended suicide bomb (Konan), which Tobi warped away (note that he now has Shinra Tensei)
3. 600 billion explosives set for 10 minutes, which Hashirama does not have.

In all other cases, the person was either unaware or unable to react to Tobi's warping (i.e. Fu, Torune, Konan, possibly Hiruzen's anbu guards)

 

[LegendaryAce]

Lol, This post Overrates him because he was never called the strongest.

What part of "There isn't anyone on the level of hashirama senju Anymore" is hard to understand?.

tobirama,izuna,muu...dare i say minato and hiruzen ...they were prob on his level ..but he might have just been stronger

i agree hashirama is getting overrated here in this case tobi is just overpowered too much...tobi wins ...though i doubt tobi can runaway from being sealed i am sure there is a seal somewhere there fit for him

on the hashirama case he is getting underrated on top of anything else the amount of shit he gets itsunreal ...he isnt a fodder like most people think he is if you aint got nothing to say then keep quiet really the reasob people end up starting flame wars or bashing on other characters is becuz of the underrating and fanboyism going on..edo madara ,tobi 2 people i ve seen who will beat hashi ..hiruzen i dissagree with a burning passion its just logicly not possible .