Hashirama VS Team Speed (Gai, Ay, Lee, Minato and Tobirama)

[RicardoA]

Not the Juubi's TBB which was bigger than he is.

Minato can decide what he wants to warp.

It won't be a waste of chakra, Hashi will lose his strongest jutsu.
Then they can shit on him with low difficult. U_U

Hashi is simply not on that level.

Nóoo.
I don't remember any TBB with a size even comparable to that of a Bijuu. Hashirama's statue easily dwarfed a 100% Kurama.
But how will he lose it if he's warped along with it? ._.

 

[Ababeel]

Nóoo.
I don't remember any TBB with a size even comparable to that of a Bijuu. Hashirama's statue easily dwarfed a 100% Kurama.
But how will he lose it if he's warped along with it? ._.

Lol, what?
Look how tiny the 8tails is compared to the TBB

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look at the 2nd panel from the bottom
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as I said Minato can warp what he wants, for example he warped Naruto and Sasuke to save their lives, but he did not
warp obito with them who was touching them directly, no?

He also warped Kurama away, but he did not warp Gamapunta who was in top of Kurama.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I'd say take Tobirama out to make this more interesting. I'd still likely say Team Speed though, even if a fair few of them will die in the process.

 

[Icelerate]

Minato isn't warping Shinsusenju away without premade seals somewhere else on the battlefield. Nor does an alive base Minato have the chakra reserves to do so.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I don't see how hashi counters resort death seal.

 

[Ababeel]

Minato isn't warping Shinsusenju away without premade seals somewhere else on the battlefield. Nor does an alive base Minato have the chakra reserves to do so.

1- Despite his speed that he showed, he can send that to far away at least.
2- Proof that alive Minato can't do so? Because it's base Minato who teleported the Juubi's TBB. Lol

 

[Bogard]

Scenario1: Against base Hashirama, i'd say they would handily. The most dangerous move for me is the flower tree world, but with Tobirama being there, the team would have full knowledge on his brothers moves. If Hashirama at some point in battle used FTW, Minato may decide to summon Gamabunta, who is comparable in size with a Bijuu like Shukaku [

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], so just like with Madara's Susanoo [

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], Gamabunta would crush them with his footing alone [

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] and if they stay above Gamabunta, they also are situated in a area not affected by the pollen(since the Kages and Madara weren't affected in a similar height). With Gamabunta's fire power, Tobirama's suiton suidanha(or GK if we count edos), they have sufficient means to destroy the flowers responsible for the pollen

As for the Mokujin, it seems comparable in size with Gamabunta(most likely greater but not by much imo). Minato was capable to take advantage of his speed to directly summon Gamabunta on top of the Kyubi and pin him down [

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], and i consider the mokujin to be physically weaker than the Kyubi. With the use of Hiraishin, it gives openings for Minato to proceed this way and at the very least neutralize the Mokujin with a boss summon, the time others handle Hashirama

On the other side Hashirama would always have to worry about combo attacks with Hiraishin, Gated Move speed and so on

Scenario2: Practically the same as scenario1 except with Shinsuusenju. Would depend if Hashirama can still reform Shinsuusenju at will or not(in case a Hiraishin user made it disappear. If he can, he wins, if not anything can happen but i tend to give Hashirama the win ultimately

Minato isn't warping Shinsusenju away without premade seals somewhere else on the battlefield. Nor does an alive base Minato have the chakra reserves to do so.

Jubi's Bijuudama was far bigger than Jubi's itself. At this point, it was already bigger than Jubi [

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](bottom panel). Shikamaru says a page later, it's getting bigger and bigger [

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] and bottom middle panel we even see how just 1/4 of the Bijuudama at that moment made Jubi look like a dwarf and it was continuing to grow and grow all the time after that(when alliance was panicing and starting to think about strategies and so on), so it's safe to assume the Bijudama in question was far bigger than Shinsuusenju as well, yet Minato warped it in base with minimal effort(we didn't evn see him a little bit exhausted after that)

 

[RicardoA]

Lol, what?
Look how tiny the 8tails is compared to the TBB

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and here

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look at the 2nd panel from the bottom
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as I said Minato can warp what he wants, for example he warped Naruto and Sasuke to save their lives, but he did not
warp obito with them who was touching them directly, no?

He also warped Kurama away, but he did not warp Gamapunta who was in top of Kurama.

Jesus, that's so cray i even forgotten o>o
On the other hand, larger targets deplete more of his chakra. An alive Minato

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on how much chakra he needed to warp Kurama and his TBB. Assuming he can warp it, he would certainly be drained after.
Well, Hashirama could encase himself inside the wood structure as a method of defending against so many speedsters. That way he would be warped as well. There's full intel for this match.

Edit: Forget about him being drained, i'm most likely wrong after T Bogard's comment (the TBB is certainly not bigger than Budha though). The rest still stands.

 

[Ababeel]

Minato was working on Kushina's seal for God knows how long, that besides his fight with obito and the other stuff he did.
even after teleporting Kurama, he still has enough chakra to do high level jutsus and seals him away.

In top of that people act if Hashi won't be tired when he use his Buddha, look at him

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even the real one couldn't stay stand after that

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[Penguin]

Minato was working on Kushina's seal for God knows how long, that besides his fight with obito and the other stuff he did.
even after teleporting Kurama, he still has enough chakra to do high level jutsus and seals him away.

In top of that people act if Hashi won't be tired when he use his Buddha, look at him

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even the real one couldn't stay stand after that

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Lmfao, Shin Sūsenju won't tire Hashirama. He used countless jutsu before that. Loooool

 

[Ababeel]

Lmfao, Shin Sūsenju won't tire Hashirama. He used countless jutsu before that. Loooool

Lmfao, s/t barrier won't tire Minato. He used countless jutsu before that. Loooool

 

[shelke]

Jubi's Bijuudama was far bigger than Jubi's itself. At this point, it was already bigger than Jubi [

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](bottom panel). Shikamaru says a page later, it's getting bigger and bigger [

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] and bottom middle panel we even see how just 1/4 of the Bijuudama at that moment made Jubi look like a dwarf and it was continuing to grow and grow all the time after that(when alliance was panicing and starting to think about strategies and so on), so it's safe to assume the Bijudama in question was far bigger than Shinsuusenju as well, yet Minato warped it in base with minimal effort(we didn't evn see him a little bit exhausted after that)

You think alive Minato does that, when he was on his last leg after teleporting a much smaller Kurama and its TBB by comparison to the Statue? Kurama looked like a small puppy compared to it. Even if we combine Kurama and the TBB it threw at Minato, both of them would still be far too small compared to the Statue.

It's obvious that it was an Edo feat, otherwise, he wouldn't have been almost out of chakra afterwards.

 

[GodKage]

team speed wins mid diff

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You think alive Minato does that, when he was on his last leg after teleporting a much smaller Kurama and its TBB by comparison to the Statue? Kurama looked like a small puppy compared to it. Even if we combine Kurama and the TBB it threw at Minato, both of them would still be far too small compared to the Statue.

It's obvious that it was an Edo feat, otherwise, he wouldn't have been almost out of chakra afterwards.

He kept kurama under wraps during extended labor , then warped 2 tbb's along with kurama, summoned bunta then sealed half of kurama in himself. Then the other half in his son not to mention using ftg all the while. He can warp it.

 

[Bogard]

You think alive Minato does that, when he was on his last leg after teleporting a much smaller Kurama and its TBB by comparison to the Statue? Kurama looked like a small puppy compared to it. Even if we combine Kurama and the TBB it threw at Minato, both of them would still be far too small compared to the Statue.

It's obvious that it was an Edo feat, otherwise, he wouldn't have been almost out of chakra afterwards.

You forget all what he did before warping Kyubi and his TBB. They are edo and? Edos don't receive supplement in chakra compared to their alive self(reason why Nidaime Mizukage was tired while using Jokey boy, reason why Muu couldn't use jinton after spliting, reason why Hashirama and Tobirama had clones limit after using the barrier and so on). The only regenerate faster. Worse than that actually when you consider the fact edo Hokages were revived weaker than when they were alive, so if anything his chakra pool may be smaller than his alive self

 

[shelke]

You forget all what he did before warping Kyubi and his TBB. They are edo and? Edos don't receive supplement in chakra compared to their alive self(reason why Nidaime Mizukage was tired while using Jokey boy, reason why Muu couldn't use jinton after spliting, reason why Hashirama and Tobirama had clones limit after using the barrier and so on). The only regenerate faster. Worse than that actually when you consider the fact edo Hokages were revived weaker than when they were alive, so if anything his chakra pool may be smaller than his alive self

All that work matches the chakra he put into Teleporting Kurama AND the TBB combined? Even your jokes wouldn't go this far. We can all see it clearly that the TBB he warped, he cannot even dream of doing so in his life time. It was freaking huge that Hachibi looked like a bug before it.

Doesn't have anything to do with Minato, does it? That is a Teleportation move - an S/T transportation of an object. The larger it is, the larger the chakra required. Muu's condition is a physical one. It's not even remotely comparable. No they were not. Hizuren popped Four bushins, when he was alive, he could barely make two. His techniques were pitiful by comparison to his Edo form.

 

[Bronze]

Orochimaru's version of Edo Tensie is poor, so Hokage are limited to their living chakra [

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[Bogard]

All that work matches the chakra he put into AND the TBB combined? Even your jokes wouldn't go this far. We can all see it clearly that the TBB he warped, he cannot even dream of doing so in his life time.

Doesn't have anything to do with Minato, does it? That is a Teleportation move - a transportation of an object. The larger it is, the larger the chakra required. Muu's condition is a physical one. It's not even remotely comparable. No they were not. Hizuren popped Four bushins, when he was alive, he could barely make two. His techniques were pitiful by comparison to his Edo form.

You need a great amount of chakra to contain Kyubi's near unlimited chakra and Minato did that during Naruto's birth even before starting fighting and later on spamed hiraishin moves, warped a bigger Kyubi TBB and so on, but whatever. It's besides the point. The point is that he teleported Kyubi and his TBB with a far smaller chakra than when he would be fresh. On the other side he was fresh why porting Jubi's bijudama

Hiruzen as well never said he couldn't make more than 2clones. Infact he could have made much more if he wanted. The problem wasn't there. The problem was that while doing that, his chakra would be evenly split among the clones, and if things went wrong, he would have throwed chakra away for nothing. While edo where his chakra continously regenerate, the problem is solved. It doesn't increase his base chakra pool however

 

[shelke]

You need a great amount of chakra to contain Kyubi's near unlimited chakra and Minato did that during Naruto's birth even before starting fighting and later on spamed hiraishin moves, warped a bigger Kyubi TBB and so on, but whatever. It's besides the point. The point is that he teleported Kyubi and his TBB with a far smaller chakra than when he would be fresh. On the other side he was fresh why porting Jubi's bijudama

Hiruzen as well never said he couldn't make more than 2clones. Infact he could have made much more if he wanted. The problem wasn't there. The problem was that while doing that, his chakra would be evenly split among the clones, and if things went wrong, he would have throwed chakra away for nothing. While edo where his chakra continously regenerate, the problem is solved. It doesn't increase his base chakra pool however

FTG doesn't require much chakra - in fact, from the looks of it, very little, as it's his signature move. If you have proof that it requires a lot of chakra, I'll require proof for this outlandish statement, when the points are set in case of Kunais with the FTG Jutsu practically written on them. Even the seals don't use much chakra.

You have no proof here, when the TBB from the Juubi, as you yourself admitted, was growing, and the amount of Chakra within a Juubi is limitless. This was supported when Naruto sensed it. Imagine the amount of Chakra it compressed to form that TBB and Minato looked fine after teleporting it.

False, Hizuren was worried about wasting his Chakra. He killed himself because he knew he wouldn't be able to keep it up for long. What are you talking about? Hizuren used Doton and Katon techs before he popped out the two Bushins:

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These look no where near the techs he used against the smaller Buddha statue. Doesn't even match 1/10 of its size. After using one Shuriekn-Technique, these two measly Ninjutsus and summoning, he was getting kicked around. He could not even hold the staff properly and found it heavier:

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The Bushin seemed like a bad idea, even to the Anbu:

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This cements my claims pretty easily.

 

[PlasticAngelx]

Team speed has this.