Edo Madara has been talking about his fight with Hashi half the time he has been revived.
from the testimony of other people, they fought countless times as equal rivals. if hashirama kept being oh so much stronger, then how come senjus werent ruling everything?
You're nullifying Hashirama's strength just because he's only "hype"? That's a sad excuse.
no because we just havent seen his abilities. people can talk about the legends of the past all they want. but until i get some factual on panel evidence, we cant use that as evidence of his powers. kabuto said hes invincible but people NEVER take that to heart. even though it could still be true. kakashi said sharingans origins lie with byakugan but people ignore that because again its conflicting the story.
for VOTE we have several conflicting stories.
1. that hashirama and madara fought alone (and kyuubi) and hashirama won fair and square. hashirama being the only one to live to tell about it.
2. mito was there helping and sealed kyuubi into herself to better aid hashirama in battle.
3. hashirama seemingly facing kyuubi after beating madara and declaring he cant let him roam free anymore. implying he sealed it, not mito. so mito lied?
4.tobi saying the legend of madara being bested wasnt true at all and madara fought only to steal a piece of DNA off of him, to become a second sage of six paths. but should that be true, why did it take so long for rinnegan to activate?
5. tobi saying madara's wounds from hashirama were so great that his power diminished massively and left him powerless. were that true, wtf is madara doing stronger than ever?
6. itachi saying they fought for control of the village and the hokage position wheres tobi saying madara fought for revenge against the village for betraying him, hashirama for protection of his village. and madara implying he fought hashirama for the sport of it, because hashi was the strongest and most skilled.
7. madara never actually saying he lost at all. merely fought to the death with him.
8. the discovery that madara has susano, which begs the question of how hashirama even got past such a defence if 5 kages can barely break the ribs of an incomplete susano. even with attacks like lightning armour and super strength.
Hashirama's strength was regarded as being a fairy tale just like the Sage of the Six Paths
by probably random jounins who heard stories from others about his power and dismissed it, saying he cant be that strong. but people react the same way with naruto. they couldnt believe the "dead last" became the strongest in konoha. so naturally wouldnt you say naruto's power will be a fairy tale for children at night once this war is over? and tobi would be the boogeyman? in the same way hashi and madara must have been in kabuto's time. i kabuto's time hes a fairy tale along with many others from back then. "they say" hiruzen was a god of shinobi. "they say" raikage fought 10 000 opponents. "they say" kin and gin beat tobirama half to death.
Even Madara himself praises Hashirama's power. I guess everything he says is a lie, right?
no. just unreliable. we woudnt know hashirama had creation rebirth if madara hadnt recognised tsunade used the same ability that hashirama did. that is reliable intel since its from visual fact. but talking about legends and how "they say" something is a fact does not make it so.
shikaku: legends from the past are always exagerrated.
but i will never exagerrate madara's power for example, because we and the 5 kage are seeing it right now firsthand.
Hashirama inherited the Sage's strong body and life energy
no the younger son did. hashirama inherited the senju's ability of having the watered down version of that, being his descendent. this is like saying king vegeta MUST have ssj because "they say" the original ssj was of that royal blood. so obviously he must be able to do it right? or how about naruto inheriting his father's intelligence and natural talent. didnt happen did it? "they say" he inherited. so obviously those nameless historian fodders MUST be correct about absolutely everything. i mean they said it right? they dont have to be there. they dont have to have seen the power for themselves. they just had to hear it from somoene else. ever played chinese whispers? "a cat escaped through a fence" always becomes "purple monkey dishwasher".
If that's a lie then obviously the Uchiha inheriting the Sage's eyes is bull too
well yes it is because the sage's eyes are rinnegan. and theres a theory that you need both uchiha and senju blood to even have a chance of unlocking that sort of power. theoretically hashirama would get rinnegan if he stole madara's blood.
we know that they fought, i dont know about you. THe people of konoha even made the valley of dead to immortalize hashi vs madara.
really? what jutsus did they use? was mito there? did they knock each other out? did hashirama cheap shot him in the back of the head? was madara weakened already from prolonged susano use and fighting the whole village by himself?