Hashirama vs. Orochimaru

[Brother Numpsay]

Location: Gokage vs Edo Madara

Intel: Manga

Distance: 50m

Restrictions: Sage Mode, Edo Tensei

Conditions: Since Orochimaru has Zetsu body, Orochimaru gets their feats too. All snake summons (Manda is alive) are prepped with venom that Kabuto invented[

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Scenario 2: Orochimaru can summon Manda 2.

 

[KidGamer65]

S1: Zetsu feats are garbage, and his snake summons are nowhere near Bijuu Level. You might as well have put normal Oro against Hashirama here. Jukai Kotan one shots any summonings and the flower world puts Oro to sleep.

S2: Same thing as above, except the flower world and Jukai Kotan can be used to wrap around and restrain Manda II, the pollen knocks him out cold, and Oro gets knocked out as well.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hashi-boy pats both Mandas on the head and puts them to sleep.

Poison is useless against Hashirama, since wood clones can handle the fight.

 

[Beans2]

Hashirama wins low diff.

 

[Nattana]

Since we know close to nothing about that poison, Hashirama pressures Oro to the point the latter is forced to retreat.

 

[Benjamin King]

like my post for no reason

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Zetsu feats are very versatile so I fail to see how that makes them weak of a feat and especially giving to someone in the wrong hand like Orochimaru:

1. Undetectable Spores: a.) While they are passively absorbing Hashriama chakra, Orochimaru can transfer it back to him. b.) They can appear at the perfect moment when needed[

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2. Mayfly: Almost all Mokuton would be difficult to catch Orochimaru since he can just merge with them and attack Hashirama whatever he use as a platform [

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Manda 1 is clearly Buijuu level. I remember reading something Draegod mention, which kind of motivated this thread. When we compare to what Bunta can do to Buijuu's (via Shukaku and Kurama) and witness Manda putting that work on Bunta + Katsayu himself, its gets pretty clear. As for random snakes, they dont need to win the fight, they just need to inject the venom, which reacts to Hashirama's DNA.

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As for Manda 2, he is too big for any Mokuton contruct in Base form. His weight and crawling on abdomen alone would break any Mokuton field in its path.

I fail to see how this fight is easy

 

[ARGUS]

Hashirama wrecks him

 

[Demonic.]

Hashirama shits on him. A wood clone solos.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hashirama shits on him. A wood clone solos.

How when Orochimaru can use Zetsu ability to copy their appearance?

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

What?? Manda isn't anywhere near bijuu level

For comparison's sake, we can say that Manda is slightly better than Bunta. Bunta in part 1 was getting spanked by the Shukaku, who was clearly just screwing around and didn't bother to use any of his more powerful sand techniques + bijuudama. Replace Bunta with Manda in that scenario, and the latter still gets effortlessly spanked.

Maybe, just maybe I can somewhat see why someone would consider Nidaime Manda on bijuu level, but that's a bit of stretch even then

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What?? Manda isn't anywhere near bijuu level

For comparison's sake, we can say that Manda is slightly better than Bunta. Bunta in part 1 was getting spanked by the Shukaku, who was clearly just screwing around and didn't bother to use any of his more powerful sand techniques + bijuudama. Replace Bunta with Manda in that scenario, and the latter still gets effortlessly spanked.

Maybe, just maybe I can somewhat see why someone would consider Nidaime Manda on bijuu level, but that's a bit of stretch even then

Bunta was able to handle his own against Shuaku and Kurama, regardless if he would have lost in other conditions. That alone is a perfect reason Manda 1 would do as good or a bit better. Even then Mokuton are just bad match up for Buijuu's and its not going to be as effective to summonings.

Manda 2 is stronger then Manda 1, plus all Mokuton in base form is too small to but it down.

Since we know close to nothing about that poison

Whats there to know thats missing as feats? Manga already made it clear to what it is capable of. Your exaggerating. It works like poison like all venom does. What happens to Naruto characters who get poisoned?

It reacts to Hasirama's DNA and nullifies the characters power on top of it. Theres nothing else we need to know.

DB and manga shows that Mokuton have the users cells in them, which makes sense since Mokuton is the only organic jutsu. It will react to the poison as much.

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Hashirama neg diffs

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Bunta was able to handle his own against Shuaku and Kurama, regardless if he would have lost in other conditions. That alone is a perfect reason Manda 1 would do as good or a bit better. Even then Mokuton are just bad match up for Buijuu's and its not going to be as effective to summonings.

Bunta never battled the Kyuubi, Minato only summoned him via Food Cart Destroyer to pin it down and buy some time. If he fought Kurama at that point he would have gotten fodderized. Like I said before, Bunta was getting spanked and Shukaku never took any damage from any of his attacks, nor was he using anything close to even half his power. Manda would yield similar results

Manda 2 is stronger then Manda 1, plus all Mokuton in base form is too small to but it down.

How? Wood Human with Wood Dragon alone stalemated Perect Susano'o, which is around the size of the Kyuubi. Not to mention either Manda can get held down and restrained by underground Wood hands and put to sleep with Flowering Tree World, and this isn't even using the Wood Human/Dragon


Whats there to know thats missing as feats? Manga already made it clear to what it is capable of. Your exaggerating. It works like poison like all venom does. What happens to Naruto characters who get poisoned?

It reacts to Hasirama's DNA and nullifies the characters power on top of it. Theres nothing else we need to know.

DB and manga shows that Mokuton have the users cells in them, which makes sense since Mokuton is the only organic jutsu. It will react to the poison as much.

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[super yang]

as a person who thinks Oro is top 15 w/out ET, I really appreciate this thread.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The bolded

I can teach you how to break down quotes. So its easier for both of us.

Bunta never battled the Kyuubi, Minato only summoned him via Food Cart Destroyer to pin it down and buy some time. If he fought Kurama at that point he would have gotten fodderized. Like I said before, Bunta was getting spanked and Shukaku never took any damage from any of his attacks, nor was he using anything close to even half his power. Manda would yield similar results

Thats why I said " regardless if he would have lost in other conditions" cause I am aware of that. The point is he held his own against them

Shukaku: He blitz Shukaku and cut his arm in half. He was able to keep at bay while holding his own when both were clashing their ninjutsu. Plus the fact that in no way his Sand attacks would catch him by feats. In the end he needed Naruto to put him down, as he wouldn't. Manda on the other hand has shown better feats then Bunta when he was fighting him in speed, reaction, strength, etc.

Kurama: Reason why I mention Kurama is because he was still able to keep Kurama down. That takes major strength and impressive feats to keep him pinned. Kurama struggling to break free is enough feats to show that being impressive.

I fail to see what Wood Dragon and Golem can do to officially take him out. Yet alone Manda 2

How? Wood Human with Wood Dragon alone stalemated Perect Susano'o, which is around the size of the Kyuubi. Not to mention either Manda can get held down and restrained by underground Wood hands and put to sleep with Flowering Tree World, and this isn't even using the Wood Human/Dragon

The ones that was stalemated PS were in SM form, not base. It will be very difficult to hold down Manda as he can remove skin and slough off. As for Manda 2, that fact that he will be too big for that or replicated Manda 1. Or going underground to where theres no pollen. Also the fact that Manda 2's height out reaches the pollen and he just crawls on his belly and break all Mokuton field.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Hashirama could possibly win but im not sure how he's going to take out Manda II Mokujin isn't getting the job done believe me. ​

 

[Demonic.]

You wank Manda too much.

-FTW puts it to sleep

-Wood Human touches it and Hashirama puts it to sleep

-Gracious Deity Gates pin it down. (SM doesn't grant new abilities, it enhances them)

-Bringer of Darkness blinds it and hinders its movements

-Base Buddha pounds it to death

 

[masteruchiha]

Do you mean the location is Valley of the End? Anyway Hashirama wins high diff with wood style coming from the ground, Manda would barely make it to slither upon Hashirama even II won't succeed. They can trap Manda too easily, and kill it with wood style weapons.

 

[Conspirator.]

Hashirama shits.