Hashirama vs Nagato

[pensilol]

Nagato has this rain technique with which he can feel chakra.
Bringer of darnkness only affects the eyes, not the other senses.

 

[Ryuu..]

Hashirama with ease. Nagato is weaker than Tobi who is stated to be a shell of his old self even though his probadly not Madara but still he acts like Madara is stronger than him who is weaker than Hashirama.

Be easy with that trolling.

Thats fine but Bringerof darkness still stops eye sight wich you need to see chakra.

My point is that I've been posting all thses great points as to how hashirama would win and nobody counters them and they continue to say nagato wins without proof sorry for bringing something i assumed

Well na because you can still see the chakra network even though you can't see there body because of the darkness.

 

[ClashinDevestation]

I dont know Both are Definitly OP. but i think Nagato would be too much even for Hashirama. Both are legands.

 

[narutownsyouall]

Nagato has this rain technique with which he can feel chakra.
Bringer of darnkness only affects the eyes, not the other senses.

The rain only works if its already raining he cant make it rain that was just at his village.

Be easy with that trolling.



Well na because you can still see the chakra network even though you can't see there body because of the darkness.

Where does it say that rinnegan can see chakra network?

 

[Ryuu..]

The rain only works if its already raining he cant make it rain that was just at his village.



Where does it say that rinnegan can see chakra network?

'On its own, the Rinnegan allows the user to see chakra, including otherwise hidden barriers. It can also decipher more of the Sage of the Six Paths' tablet than the Sharingan and the Mangekyō Sharingan are able to.'

 

[pensilol]

The rain only works if its already raining he cant make it rain that was just at his village.

"A perception ninjutsu, allowing one to freely manipulate rain infused with the user's own chakra. The rain falls from rain clouds, formed with Pain's own chakra."

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[narutownsyouall]

'On its own, the Rinnegan allows the user to see chakra, including otherwise hidden barriers. It can also decipher more of the Sage of the Six Paths' tablet than the Sharingan and the Mangekyō Sharingan are able to.'

I still think that it would nrgate any form of eye sight even seeing chakra

It changes what he sees. It doesnt just obstruct his path it blocks his eye sight.

It only leaves other senses left and Nagato cant sense chakra he can only see it.

 

[narutownsyouall]

"A perception ninjutsu, allowing one to freely manipulate rain infused with the user's own chakra. The rain falls from rain clouds, formed with Pain's own chakra."

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That can be blocked out by trees
I see your point but i still give it to hashirama And nagato would be wasting a lot of chakra doing that but it would work

 

[pensilol]

That can be blocked out by trees
I see your point but i still give it to hashirama And nagato would be wasting a lot of chakra doing that but it would work

I dont think chakra is the problem.

 

[narutownsyouall]

I know but Hashirama would find out what he is doing pretty fast and the rain might even help his mokuton(haha) but Even if he can sense him that way i just dont see Nagato winning i have stated many other things that are better reasons as to why he would win

 

[Ryuu..]

I know but Hashirama would find out what he is doing pretty fast and the rain might even help his mokuton(haha) but Even if he can sense him that way i just dont see Nagato winning i have stated many other things that are better reasons as to why he would win

How is Hashirama countering:

- All 5 nature transformations
- All 6 paths in one body
- Gedo Mazo
- Shinra Tensei
- Chibaku Tensei (Remember Mokuton would just feed it)
- Preta path (Nagato can't be touched by Mokuton as it's ninjutsu)
- Human path which takes souls
- Gedo Mazo soul removal

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- Asura Path (weapons and technology)
- Animal path (summons)
- 5 seal barrier:

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Please explain how he could counter every single one or when they are used in combos (Hint: he can't).

 

[narutownsyouall]

How is Hashirama countering:

- All 5 nature transformations
- All 6 paths in one body
- Gedo Mazo
- Shinra Tensei
- Chibaku Tensei (Remember Mokuton would just feed it)
- Preta path (Nagato can't be touched by Mokuton as it's ninjutsu)
- Human path which takes souls
- Gedo Mazo soul removal

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- Asura Path (weapons and technology)
- Animal path (summons)
- 5 seal barrier:

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Please explain how he could counter every single one or when they are used in combos (Hint: he can't).

Nagato doesnt use any transformations

how would Mokuton help chibaku?

Petra cant absorb non chakra objects such as trees he turned chakra into trees not trees made out of chakra

Hashirama can keep far enough away to keep from getting his soul taken (i have explained this in previous posts)

Asura path wont do much unless he is up close and WS beats any technology or weapons

Any summon<WS (it is able to hold down a fox it could easily hold down any summon nagaot brings)

The five seal tag needs to be set before hand did you state that they prepared for each other in battle settings?

Hashirama knew at least 1000 techniques at least one of them could counter anything nagato has

 

[Exaar]

Nagato doesnt use any transformations
how would Mokuton help chibaku?

Petra cant absorb non chakra objects such as trees he turned chakra into trees not trees made out of chakra

Hashirama can keep far enough away to keep from getting his soul taken (i have explained this in previous posts)

Asura path wont do much unless he is up close and WS beats any technology or weapons

Any summon<WS (it is able to hold down a fox it could easily hold down any summon nagaot brings)

The five seal tag needs to be set before hand did you state that they prepared for each other in battle settings?

Hashirama knew at least 1000 techniques at least one of them could counter anything nagato has

@ bold 1, Yes he does. I think it was Jman who stated he mastered all 5 by the time he was 11.

@ Bold 2, Where was it stated he knows over 1000 Techniques?

 

[Ryuu..]

Nagato doesnt use any transformations

how would Mokuton help chibaku?

Petra cant absorb non chakra objects such as trees he turned chakra into trees not trees made out of chakra

Hashirama can keep far enough away to keep from getting his soul taken (i have explained this in previous posts)

Asura path wont do much unless he is up close and WS beats any technology or weapons

Any summon<WS (it is able to hold down a fox it could easily hold down any summon nagaot brings)

The five seal tag needs to be set before hand did you state that they prepared for each other in battle settings?

Hashirama knew at least 1000 techniques at least one of them could counter anything nagato has

Mokuton gets sucked up and makes Chinbaku bigger....

 

[Blaze Release]

People have allowed the recent chapters to cloud their judgement.
Its true hashirama was something special and would go toe to toe with nagato, but nagato is the clear winner here

 

[senpaisama]

nagato doesn't need to use shinra tensei ,all nagato needs to do is Bhaso tenin and cut hasirama's head off with asura path tech,, i douBt he can regenerate his head.. nagato win this..!!!!!!!!!!

 

[arv993]

You must not read sentences properly or understand them very well. If you did then you will realise that I have already countered your argument even before you wrote this reply. You accuse me of speculating heavily yet I have already showed you pages of Nagato being able to use multiple Rinnegan abilities at the same time, so why wouldnt Nagato be able to use CT with any other paths at the same time? Just because it hasnt been shown doesnt mean its not true, that logic of yours is flawed. For example, we have seen Edo Madara use Preta Path only so far, now with your logic does that mean he cant use any other Rinnegan abiilties because there isnt a manga page showing it? Its common sense, which you clearly dont have as you keep reminding me of that.

As for stamina, clearly you have forgotten what Nagato is capable of as events from the past shows. If you seriously believe that Nagato doesnt have enough chakra stamina then its not worth it to argue with you on this matter as you already are deluded. Nagato Uzumaki, is all I have to say.


As for your points on his summonings, I admit I forget they were around allowing him to visualise multiply. However, still that doesnt mean there arent another ways to counter Bringer of Darkness. If you remember I stated them being Shinra Tensei or CT, now I really hope you will see the light as to how these two tecniques will dismiss Hashirama's genjutsu. If not then I will give Shinra Tensei as an example, a 360* Shinra Tensei, especially a large one, is enough to knock back Hashirama away further, since Bringer of Darkness is a genjutsu it would dismiss it as it requires concentration. Also you said about the interval, the interval time is around 5 seconds if memory serves me right for Deva Path during the Konoha Invasion. Unless Hashirama is fast as Naruto then he is not reaching Nagato a second early, with or without Mokuton. Also since this is Nagato , abilities all in one then his interval time will also be low, as Naruto already stated how this one greatly differs from the Paths of Pain.


You say that I shouldnt use Plot-no jutsu as an excuse but guess what? It should be mentioned because the storyline doesnt affect these types of versus threads, which I have seen you applying your basis of your 'arguments'. Also you are a hypocrite as I have seen you speculating numerous times, such as "he doesnt have enough chakra". Isnt the whole point of versus threads pure speculation anyway? Because I dont think there will ever be a match between Hashirama vs Nagato, so its pure speculation, according to your logic. My 'speculations' are attached with logical reasoning.


Therefore I will mention it again, Hashirama isnt winning this as long has Nagato is a Rinnegan user, especially if Hashirama doesnt have the knowledge of the Rinnegan abilities. Simply because of the Rinnegan abilities grants Nagato to counter all of Hashirama's abilities. Even the latest addition of Hashirama being able to heal himself, so what? That doesnt mean he would have unlimited chakra to keep fighting. While as Nagato has Preta path ability to simply feed on Hashirama's Mokuton or any other ninjutsus. Lastly, you also have the mastery of the 5 elements by Nagato.

Ok i am tired of this by now and you keep sepculating about him using all the powers at once and stuff. What kabuto says still stands and you simply refuse to accept it. YOu forget the whole scenario is at nagato at his weakness he is blind and i have shown you 50 times what happened to him when his visons were blinded and even showed kabuto's explanation.

First of all madara didnt finish his fight so do not use him as a scapegoat he is playing around with the kages. nagato was not playing around he was serious and once he is used CT he did not use anything else in conjuction which means he couldnt and u just assume its plot no jutsu what a screwed up logic. And from nowhere you assume he can do all of the rinnegan techs at once. Please like i said its all speculation. I can speculate about hashi's abilitues and say that he can just seal nagato with his scrolls especially since his wife was an uzumaki but that hold no ground due to lack of proof.


Nagato has high stamina no doubt but not to the level u are saying that he can use all techs at once. He got tired from using gedo mazo so he cant definitely do all them as simply as you think. And that is not speculation that is supported with manga links which you just refuse to look at because of you simply prefer nagato. I really dont care who u think wins and you are simply speculating.

AND to the point yes we are speculating the fight about hashivs nagato but we cannot speculate on their powers they have not shown such as your "he can use all techs at once" or during CT cos its not been ever seen to him doing that. LIke i said b4 you forget that ppl can do the same to the other side and speculate about hashirama since he is the lesser known character here. Kishi has shown us what nagato can do at his best, we can't go further than that.

And you keep forgetting i he is blind nagato is in aterrible position. hashirama just needs one hit by a weapon, he can inhale poison or get hit by mokuton. He would not kno where his attacks come from and we have seen this happen with kabuto and the same would happen. And nagato cant stop these attacks cos he does not where its coming from and he cannot attack hashi well also due to his sight. And 360 shinra tensei as seen can be blocked by hashi esepcially with his large level mokuton techs which develop forests instantly he could avoid large scale shinra techs with those and after that nagato has larger time interval and hashi still needs only one attack. And nagato has to make a big hit to get the Bringer of darkness down but when he uses large scale shinra tensei the tech is obvious and hashirama has to use his big scale tech to stop him. And in the meantime as long as even a few flowers are nearby nagato is poisoned and likely die cos he is blind.

I'm done i dont like repeating myself. ppl have differences in opinions sometimes which are never gonna be solved and i think these are one of those cases. i will leave it cos we are never gonna come into agreements. idc if u think i'm a hater i just see the battle differently so peace i think i had lil too much of this topic

 

[arv993]

People have allowed the recent chapters to cloud their judgement.
Its true hashirama was something special and would go toe to toe with nagato, but nagato is the clear winner here

ppl also in general just overrate any character that is strong. hashi and nagato are not exceptions. nagato is something special but gets overrated IMo some ppl just think that he is strongest even after seeing ppl like naruto(complete power),Madara uchiha, and tobi.

 

[Dantee]

Omg are people really saying Harishima > Nagato?? Wow just wow **** off NB.

 

[Blaze Release]

ppl also in general just overrate any character that is strong. hashi and nagato are not exceptions. nagato is something special but gets overrated IMo some ppl just think that he is strongest even after seeing ppl like naruto(complete power),Madara uchiha, and tobi.

He is deffo behind edo madara and tobi even though he would give them a fight.
As for current naruto and hashirama, he is superior to them and if there was a fight, he would take it with high difficulty, either one.

From what ive gathered so far in this thread, people either say bringer of darkness or that sleeping/poison wood release technique. Nagato ability to fly would make him evade bringer of darkness which is short/mid range and would also gain him immunity to hashirama's wood release because even if the surroundings is being controlled he is in the air. Regardless the ultimate shinra tensei should take care of mokouton.

Lets not forget that nagato was said to have mastered all the elements therefore he can counter any earth and water technique hashirama has to offer. Hashirama might have a high chakra reserve but i very much doubt his rival nagato's. Then there is nagato 8 different summonings, excluding gedo mazo, that hashirama has to deal with