Hashirama vs Nagato

[arv993]

These are what we know of hashiramas powers

1. He has remarkable chakra and body health...... people always wanted part of his DNA to boost their health
2. he uses eternal darkness genjutsu.... against hiruzen
3. he uses wood style which is a combination of water and earth
4. he will be able to do a wood replacement just like yamato did to evade orochimaru
5. he could turn a battle arena to a forest in seconds...... the new manga proves it was much better and faster than that shown against hiruzen....
6. he has poisinous flowers which could weaken oponents if the petals are inhaled...... he could use it around himself as a way to prevent sneak attacks
7. his chakra in the wood can wrap up tailed beasts and compress their chakra...... controls tailed beasts with ease
8. as a senju he would have one of the highest chakra in the naruto series
9. probably has a very strong defence capable of keeping all ems susanoo attacks at bay without injury

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These are what we know of nagato(not pain) powers

His shinra tensei becomes stronger and does not stay up to five seconds to do his next ST(about 2-3 seconds).... because he is no longer fighting or controlling bodies from a mountain so his powers are magnified or increased.... naruto said this himself wen nagato owned naruto and bee..... his combination of all the paths at the same time were too much for them to handle....
shinera tensei, pulling pple to him, summoning, missiles, soul absorbing, chakra absorbing and ressurection.... he could use and combine all his paths at the same time...... his chakra absorbin is better than the samehada becos he turned a v2 tailed beast mode back to normal killerbee...

hashirama can attack nagato from a longer range because of his wood release which has the speed capable of blocking sasukes susano arrow(sasuke vs danzo)
nagato wins with high difficulty because of chibaku tensei...... its jst too powerful for any of hashis attacks... CT can rip mountains appart... hashis wood wont b a problem....

u kno it first starts out with only a small sphere and seeing how hashi has a justsu that can create a whole forest in an instant he shouldnt have a big problem in destoring the CT while it forms

 

[arv993]

An kabuto is not a retard he knows the powers of nagato after using him. why do you think he mentioned what he did about hashirama being the strongest ninja so far after the sage. And ppl forget we have only seeing prts of his power not the whole thing yet

 

[Ryuu..]

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u kno it first starts out with only a small sphere and seeing how hashi has a justsu that can create a whole forest in an instant he shouldnt have a big problem in destoring the CT while it forms

Yeah but he's not stopping Shinra Tensei or human path with his Mokuton. Not to mention the fact all of his ninjutsu is rendered useless by preta path.

 

[Turson]

Considering Shinra Tensei and jutsu absorbtion I dont see how Mokuton would be a big threath for Nagato. 3rd Sage of the Six Paths takes this.

 

[pervy sage the master]

totally NAGATO!!!!

 

[arv993]

Yeah but he's not stopping Shinra Tensei or human path with his Mokuton. Not to mention the fact all of his ninjutsu is rendered useless by preta path.

human path requires being near hashi lol and the dude would be blind by bringer of darkness its not too hard to target someone with swords, or his flower world that emits poison. he can still use the wood for defense against shinra tensei, but he can target him during the interval by either poison, swords or taijutsu. i kno ninjutsu can be absorbed but if he loses his advantage of sight as seen he can be hit with the things i mentioned above.

 

[Turson]

human path requires being near hashi lol and the dude would be blind by bringer of darkness its not too hard to target someone with swords, or his flower world that emits poison. he can still use the wood for defense against shinra tensei, but he can target him during the interval by either poison, swords or taijutsu. i kno ninjutsu can be absorbed but if he loses his advantage of sight as seen he can be hit with the things i mentioned above.

He can see through his summons. Besides, Genjutsu can be canceled.

 

[kellzfresh]

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u kno it first starts out with only a small sphere and seeing how hashi has a justsu that can create a whole forest in an instant he shouldnt have a big problem in destoring the CT while it forms

when kabuto was controlling nagato he carelessly made him do the chibaku tensei in the open, when pain fought naruto he released the chibaku tensei while hiding behind a tree.... nagato is not careless cos he knows his weakness

 

[arv993]

He can see through his summons. Besides, Genjutsu can be canceled.

where the hell did u get the idea that he can just cancel high level genjutsus. second all the animals can one be under genjutsu also or they would simply be destroyed or trapped by one of his jutsus like his tree world which takes no time whatsoever.

 

[Ryuu..]

Anyway, saying Hashirama can destroy CT with Mokuton is assuming he has beforehand info - that's not the case. He won't know WTF is going on when it immediately starts up......................

 

[Turson]

where the hell did u get the idea that he can just cancel high level genjutsus

Why not? Its not Tsukiyomi, which requires another Uchiha with haxed eyes to break it.

second all the animals can one be under genjutsu

How do you know that Hashirama would be able to use this Genjutsu on multiple targets?

or they would simply be destoyed by one of his jutsus like his tree world which takes no time whatsoever.

Mokuton can be dealt with Shinra Tensei.

 

[6pathofpain]

human path requires being near hashi lol and the dude would be blind by bringer of darkness its not too hard to target someone with swords, or his flower world that emits poison. he can still use the wood for defense against shinra tensei, but he can target him during the interval by either poison, swords or taijutsu. i kno ninjutsu can be absorbed but if he loses his advantage of sight as seen he can be hit with the things i mentioned above.

ulmighty push can still **** the 1st up rather he can see or not, nagato can change the battle ground jus as easily as the 1st an if u dont believe me watch pain vs 6 tails, an pain can lift the forest an the 1st with planetary devastation, an use the path with the machine gun an missles to light em up even if the 1st destroys the sphere n the middle of the planetary devastation, everything the 1st can do nagato can an will counter an if u dont believe me say watever u want an ill tell u how he'll counter it

 

[arv993]

when kabuto was controlling nagato he carelessly made him do the chibaku tensei in the open, when pain fought naruto he released the chibaku tensei while hiding behind a tree.... nagato is not careless cos he knows his weakness

yea you could make te same argument that about hashirama he knows how to use his techs better than madara who was his enemy not the man himself. and there is not many places to hide where he was and second he knows the powers of nagato seeing as he used nagato and said hashirama was better. and we havent seen all hashi's abilities.

 

[Ryuu..]

yea you could make te same argument that about hashirama he knows how to use his techs better than madara who was his enemy not the man himself. and there is not many places to hide where he was and second he knows the powers of nagato seeing as he used nagato and said hashirama was better. and we havent seen all hashi's abilities.

That is also true.

However, you commented that we don't know all of Hashirama's techs; that's not an excuse and so you can't make assumptions.

 

[arv993]

ulmighty push can still **** the 1st up rather he can see or not, nagato can change the battle ground jus as easily as the 1st an if u dont believe me watch pain vs 6 tails, an pain can lift the forest an the 1st with planetary devastation, an use the path with the machine gun an missles to light em up even if the 1st destroys the sphere n the middle of the planetary devastation, everything the 1st can do nagato can an will counter an if u dont believe me say watever u want an ill tell u how he'll counter it

he can't lift the forest but he can destroy it and hashi can survive that with using his wood jutsu. and after that he can just attack nagato during the interval. TSunade saved so many villagers and we have seen how capable hashi's jutsus are in power + we have seen how fast it can be made. If nagato is blind he is n trouble especially if he uses techs like that after that he is vulnerable to attacks from hashi.

 

[arv993]

That is also true.

However, you commented that we don't know all of Hashirama's techs; that's not an excuse and so you can't make assumptions.

i am not making any assumptions all i said were things we have seen hashi capable of doing. All i am suggesting is that there is a high probability that hashi has more than what we have seen

 

[EL MAGNIFICO]

Wood Release Secret Technique: Nativity of a
World of Trees......this is the tech on which konoha was built ....nagato during the pain's invasion arc came and destroyed the whole thing ......
its one of the hashirama's powerful jutsu ....
hashirama dont have any summon ...while nagato have atleast 6 summons + gedo mazo ...
nagato is frm uzumaki clan and hashirama is frm senju ...they were distant relatives ..considering this , we can say that the chakra reserve is not a problem for any of them
nagato has rinne tensei .....
preta path to absorb ...
healthy nagato will take this !!
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[Anub]

I see some large proportions of bias from both sides.

Let me say this: We haven't got enough information about Hashirama to put him up against Nagato. And we haven't got enough information about healthy Nagato. This is as pointless as debating healthy Itachi vs Shisui. But nevertheless, here I am.

I voted Hashirama and here's why.

1. I would give Hashirama the chakra advantage, seeing how mokuton users are praised for their chakra and amazing endurance ... Uzumaki is a descendant, but Hashirama is the real thing.
2. I would put EMS Madara more dangerous than Nagato, mostly because Madara would have genjutsu and you ned to remember: he had Kurama.
3. Not sure if it was strategy or raw strength, but Hashirama defeated Kurama+Madara...comment on it as much as you like, but that alone is pretty impressive. And to relate this to Nagato, Kurama (could be at only 50% of chakra) detroyed his Chibaku Tensei and almost got out...I think that if Hashirama could battle both the fox and Madara, he would be stronger than that.

But then again, this is only speculation and it's a 60%-40% battle IMO...But I would give the edge to Hashirama.

 

[Ryuu..]

i am not making any assumptions all i said were things we have seen hashi capable of doing. All i am suggesting is that there is a high probability that hashi has more than what we have seen

But you can't use any of those techs in your thoughts because as of now they don't exist...............................................

 

[maiavarepz]

Hashirama...

The world flower would put him to sleep most likely, and if Hashirama's mokuton could deflect a full power Kyuubi bijuu dama, im sure it could withstand shinra tensei. And Hashirama would have no problem with Shinra Tensei, since he could just ground himself using wood, or maybe even destroy it.

nagato could use his shinra tensei to keep the pollen away from him, and the planetary devastation to destroy the flower world..............theory over ruled