Hashirama vs Madara and Izuna?

[Bogard]

Now that i think about it, with MS power Madara and Izuna were equal, right? If with MS, Madara was around Hashirama's level, that means normally with Izuna's help, they must have win. But that actually never happened. Does that mean when Hashirama was fighting Madara, someone with approximatively the same level was fighting Izuna?(Tobirama maybe?)

Cuz it's hard to believe that other Senjus other than Hashirama could beat another Madara type except if they were fighting him in great numbers

So i think that maybe with only MS power, Madara wasn't on Hashiramas level, and when he say he fought Hashirama, he was actually helped by Izuna(i mean i suppose). Maybe also one of the reason why he needed EMS is because he wanted a power to challenge Hashirama(maybe this perfect Susanoo?)
Cuz i don't really understand how with just MS, he fought Hashirama many times as if it was equal, but after that when he gets EMS+Kyubi, he loses.

So i think that either it was Madara+Izuna vs Hashirama when they had MS, other it was Madara vs Hashirama and Izuna vs Tobirama, but in the Madara vs Hashirama, Hashirama was actually playing with him, not fighting at his best.

What do you think? :shrug:

 

[al3xsmith13]

ive always wondered if tobirama and izuna fought each other...

 

[Raito]

What are yout talking about? With the EMS, Madara was about Hashiramas Level but lost. Madara took away Izunas eyes in order to awake his EMS, so Izuna wasn't able to fight anymore. He was shown to be dead, lying in his coffin.

What is your point? We don't even know Tobiramas extent of powers.

 

[Bogard]

What are yout talking about? With the EMS, Madara was about Hashiramas Level but lost. Madara took away Izunas eyes in order to awake his EMS, so Izuna wasn't able to fight anymore. He was shown to be dead, lying in his coffin.

What is your point? We don't even know Tobiramas extent of powers.

I'm actually talking about "before Madara has gotten EMS", when the 2of them had simply MS. Madara said he was fighting Hashirama at that time. Why Izuna wasn't fighting him too??

 

[Madarauchiwa]

no i think he was fighting at his best cause they fought when they were doing missions so its not like he would risk losing and just how powerful do you think hashirama is that he can "play around" with someone like madara but i do agree with you on the fact that izuna was probably fighting tobirama or something. and also it would be foolish to say that hashirama won all their encounters because its not like the uchiha failed every mission

 

[Dantee]

2 heads are better than one. The brothers take this.

Hashirama was only stronger than EMS Madara but just barely. I honestly don't see how Hashi stood up to Perfect Susanoo. It's a mountain buster.....

 

[Seraphiel]

Current Edo Madara stated that Hashirama can still defeat him. Hashirama was and has always been stronger than Madara.

 

[Ryuu..]

The times they faced off before VOTE battle were not serious, all out battles but were more like confrontational meetings where the two showcased what they had to offer. Clearly, MS Madara could not be equal to Hashirama if EMS Madara + Kyuubi was defeated by the same man. I also think there is little to no chance that Izuna helped Madara fight Hashirama. This shows the clan lacks class as they had to resort to a 2 vs 1 situation, and we all know that the Uchiha clan is a very proud one. I doubt Madara would allow himself to look so cowardly, yes cowardly, when facing off against Hashirama. Surely, as leader of the clan, he realised he had to have some sort of honour by fighting Hashirama one vs one. I'm also pretty sure the Senju clan would not allow it, so perhaps you are correct in saying Tobirama and Izuna may've had their battles in the past, but there is no way of knowing this for sure.

 

[Seraphiel]

The times they faced off before VOTE battle were not serious, all out battles but were more like confrontational meetings where the two showcased what they had to offer. Clearly, MS Madara could not be equal to Hashirama if EMS Madara + Kyuubi was defeated by the same man. I also think there is little to no chance that Izuna helped Madara fight Hashirama. This shows the clan lacks class as they had to resort to a 2 vs 1 situation, and we all know that the Uchiha clan is a very proud one. I doubt Madara would allow himself to look so cowardly, yes cowardly, when facing off against Hashirama. Surely, as leader of the clan, he realised he had to have some sort of honour by fighting Hashirama one vs one. I'm also pretty sure the Senju clan would not allow it, so perhaps you are correct in saying Tobirama and Izuna may've had their battles in the past, but there is no way of knowing this for sure.

Hashirama probably did to Madara, what Madara did to Oonoki.

 

[Bogard]

The times they faced off before VOTE battle were not serious, all out battles but were more like confrontational meetings where the two showcased what they had to offer. Clearly, MS Madara could not be equal to Hashirama if EMS Madara + Kyuubi was defeated by the same man. I also think there is little to no chance that Izuna helped Madara fight Hashirama. This shows the clan lacks class as they had to resort to a 2 vs 1 situation, and we all know that the Uchiha clan is a very proud one. I doubt Madara would allow himself to look so cowardly, yes cowardly, when facing off against Hashirama. Surely, as leader of the clan, he realised he had to have some sort of honour by fighting Hashirama one vs one. I'm also pretty sure the Senju clan would not allow it, so perhaps you are correct in saying Tobirama and Izuna may've had their battles in the past, but there is no way of knowing this for sure.

Hum, maybe. Why not? I think you're saying something close to be true

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

, MS Madara could not be equal to Hashirama if EMS Madara + Kyuubi was defeated by the same man.

yes it could if we dont know what happened and hashirmaa had mitos help

Hashirama was and has always been stronger than Madara.

how does he counter rinnegan or preta? feats overrule hype and madara wins with mountain slash

Hashirama probably did to Madara, what Madara did to Oonoki.

what, outlast him with rinnegan and edo immortality?