Hashirama vs Kakashi

[BenjerminGaye]

Hashirama was made bloodlust, given full intel, is a sensor yet he can't stop Kamui? Even though he knows what to do before Kakashi can even activate it in the first place?

Lol, that Kamui wank. Did you not forget how Obito and Kakashi needed to use a Kamui at double warp speed to get Obito in the other dimension? Even with that Kakashi would have been a sacrifice had Gai not saved him. Did you not forget how Madara established that Kamui from either of them alone is NOT enough. Troll the sit out of him my arse.....He already said he would have ended it with Limbo, but Obito had the Rinnegan so he chose not to.

Hashirama either makes a Moku Bunshin as soon as the match starts, claps his hands and forms a dome around himself to block LoS, or he forms a forest in an instant to block LoS and he proceeds to one shot Kakashi.



Lol. Why don't you read Madara's words.

"You are focusing too much power in your main body"

Everyone who brings up this scan ignores the only sentence in the whole scan cause it completely shits on the whole purpose of bringing the scan in the first place.

So wait. He's weaving hand seals b4 kakashi looks at him?
Hashi a sensor? Don't you have to knead chakra to sense? He's leagues below the likes of his bro but you think his crappy sensing feats is gonna do something?

Log off.

Kakashi looks at him.
His head disappears.
Gg.

 

[Bronze]

He could use Wood Release Secret Technique: Nativity of a World of Trees to create a forest between them blocking kakashi's line of sight and then crush him with Sage Art: Wood Release: True Several Thousand Hands. He also has things like Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees to cover the battle field with pollen dust and trees also blocking his line of sight and countering kamui which he can only use like 5 times in a day. I dont see kamui getting past Hashirama's defenses, lets not forget Kakashi fought Deidara, Pain, and Sasuske and couldnt kill any of them with kamui. infact I dont ever recall Kakashi successfully killing a single person with kamui.


I fail to see how scans of super edo madara with infinite chakra smashing hashirama's clone has anything to do with Kakashi....

Are any of those faster than Kamui? Nope. So Hashirama loses.

 

[shelke]

Oh please. Do anyone of you even know how 'sub-par' kakashi's Kamui is? It was shown to warp objects slightly faster than the stake - the stake Obito threw out of his Kamui dimension. The same objects shown to travel side by side with Madara's yasaka magatamas. The same Magatamas both Onoki and Gaara countered with Golem and sand shield. But Hashirama cannot? Get out!

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Oh please. Do anyone of you even know how 'sub-par' kakashi's Kamui is? It was shown to warp objects slightly faster than the stake - the stake Obito threw out of his Kamui dimension. The same objects shown to travel side by side with Madara's yasaka magatamas. The same Magatamas both Onoki and Gaara countered with Golem and sand shield. But Hashirama cannot? Get out!

Where'd you get that analysis from? Obito didn't even see it even though he has ms and it happened right in front of him.
It interrupted st ninjutsu which is widely regarded as instant in this manga.

It warped your fapboy's arrows the same arrows that even sm users have trouble dodging.

And I don't see how the rate stakes move while midair translates to the rate obito takes in/ spits out objects. Fan fiction on your hand.

Yet if I asked you the speed of ama u would have most def said it was instant. Lol

Fyi kamui speeds fastest to slowest: obito phasing(feats vs madara)
Kakashi warping(feats vs obito and co.)
Obito warping objects(stated and proven by konan)
Obito warping himself(stated and proven by konan)

 

[shelke]

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Kakashi erected a Doton wall for those -

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- Not surprsing because:

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- Obito’s Stakes and Madara’s Magatamas travelling side by side.

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- Both Gara and Onoki anticipated and guarded against it easily.

The analysis is from the manga, unlike your utterly ridiculous analysis. The arrows were warped as the Warp point was created before Kakashi. He got lucky that Sasuke fired two arrows literally, almost at once.

What about Konan? Konan talks about the speed difference between intangibility and his warping speed. Not sure how that is relevant to Kakashi, as Obito is not the one fighting here. And what does it have to do with Amaterasu? Nothing, yet again. Is that all? Stay with the debate, don't act petty.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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Kakashi erected a Doton wall for those -

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- Not surprsing because:

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- Obito’s Stakes and Madara’s Magatamas travelling side by side.

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- Both Gara and Onoki anticipated and guarded against it easily.

The analysis is from the manga, unlike your utterly ridiculous analysis. The arrows were warped as the Warp point was created before Kakashi. He got lucky that Sasuke fired two arrows literally, almost at once.

What about Konan? Konan talks about the speed difference between intangibility and his warping speed. Not sure how that is relevant to Kakashi, as Obito is not the one fighting here. And what does it have to do with Amaterasu? Nothing, yet again. Is that all? Stay with the debate, don't act petty.

How does the rate in which the kunai fly in the air have any relevance to how fast obito can warp?
The fact that said kunai are traveling in the air to said opponent and not appearing on the opponent directly should let you know they have nothing to do with each other.

And how does that effect or relate to kakashi's warping speed?
Stop pulling crap out of your ass. The stakes moving side by side has nothing to do with it leaving his eye. And it has even less to do with how fast kakashi warps things.

Konan said it takes longer for him to warp himself than it does for him to warp others. So him going to the kami dimension by himself is slower than him sending others to the kamui dimension.

Based on his fight with rikudo maddy he can phase faster than maddy can attack but he can't warp faster than maddy can attack. Meaning his phasing speed is faster than his warping speed. Based on his fights with kakashi kakashi can warp objects faster than he can even realize. And what's worse kakashi did it twice. Meaning kakashi warps faster than he can warp but not faster than he can phase. That's why he asked for kakashi's help.

That's an analysis. Not that crap your spouting

 

[Bronze]

Kakashi activated MS and Kamui before Minato threw his Kunai, activated SM and used FTG. That suggests his speed of Kamui surpasses Minato. Not to mention he wrapped Obito before Madara can shot those orbs which trolled him. He wrapped BM Naruto and Obito did not see it. Those listed people are faster and have better reactions than Hashirama, and you're saying he will see it coming? Lel.

Whether he is Hashirama or no Hashirama, he has no counter, so he loses.

 

[Bronze]

@Shelk: BenjerminGaye had better analyze on the matter than you did. Its funny how you ignore Obito is capable of cancelling Kakashi's Kamui with his own Kamui [

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]. Definition of bias.

 

[Avinash012]

Oh please. Do anyone of you even know how 'sub-par' kakashi's Kamui is? It was shown to warp objects slightly faster than the stake - the stake Obito threw out of his Kamui dimension. The same objects shown to travel side by side with Madara's yasaka magatamas. The same Magatamas both Onoki and Gaara countered with Golem and sand shield. But Hashirama cannot? Get out!

What does stakes traveling with the same speed as Madara's magatamas has anything to do with Kamui warping speed again? this point makes 0 sense.

 

[Shura]

Here we go with the Kamui gg bullshit again..

Hashirama stomps.

 

[blazekev90]

Full intel, Kakashi wouldn't waste anytime to use kamui effectively. He's well aware of the power/stamina difference between them

 

[shelke]

@Shelk: BenjerminGaye had better analyze on the matter than you did. Its funny how you ignore Obito is capable of cancelling Kakashi's Kamui with his own Kamui [

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It is? Lovely. Obito states that Kakashi's Kamui is faster than the outwards-warping he does. Made up, clearly on my part. Those same objects were intercepted by kakashi, traveling side by side with Madara's magatamas, which were again intercepted by Onoki and Gara. Another poor analogy, obviously. Lol

You think I do not know that? The warp point was present on Obito for a certain amount of time, which allowed Obito to cancel it. This instant snipe logic was run into the ground by current chapter anyway. Bias? Feeling must be mutual then.

 

[Avinash012]

It is? Lovely. Obito states that Kakashi's Kamui is faster than the outwards-warping he does. Made up, clearly on my part. Those same objects were intercepted by kakashi, traveling side by side with Madara's magatamas, which were again intercepted by Onoki and Gara. Another poor analogy, obviously. Lol

Again U didn't explained how it has anything to do with Kamui warping speed.The speed at which those kunais travels =/= Kamui warping speed by any means.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It is? Lovely. Jbito states that Kakashi's Kamui is faster than the outwards-warping he does. Made up, clearly on my part. Those same objects were intercepted by kakashi, traveling side by side with Madara's magatamas, which were again intercepted by Onoki and Gara. Another poor analogy, obviously. Lol

You think I do not know that? The warp point was present on Obito for a certain amount of time, which allowed Obito to cancel it. This instant snipe logic was run into the ground by current chapter anyway. Bias? Feeling must be mutual then.

Hey stop dodging the question.

I'll ask it again.

What does the travelling speed of the kunai's have to do with obito's warping speed? Where's the connection?
And how does it reflect on kakashi's warping speed in which you just said( I'll make it bold just incase you missed it) it's faster?

That's like saying because the ball I dropped achieved terminal velocity I can throw things at terminal velocity.

 

[shelke]

How does the rate in which the kunai fly in the air have any relevance to how fast obito can warp?
The fact that said kunai are traveling in the air to said opponent and not appearing on the opponent directly should let you know they have nothing to do with each other.

And how does that effect or relate to kakashi's warping speed?
Stop pulling crap out of your ass. The stakes moving side by side has nothing to do with it leaving his eye. And it has even less to do with how fast kakashi warps things.

Konan said it takes longer for him to warp himself than it does for him to warp others. So him going to the kami dimension by himself is slower than him sending others to the kamui dimension.

Based on his fight with rikudo maddy he can phase faster than maddy can attack but he can't warp faster than maddy can attack. Meaning his phasing speed is faster than his warping speed. Based on his fights with kakashi kakashi can warp objects faster than he can even realize. And what's worse kakashi did it twice. Meaning kakashi warps faster than he can warp but not faster than he can phase. That's why he asked for kakashi's help.

That's an analysis. Not that crap your spouting

Doesn't have anything to do with Obito, but Kakashi:

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- he is shown to snipe and warp objects faster than the stake Obito threw out, which is why those statements are relevant. Can you even understand English, as I clearly wrote this:

It was shown to warp objects slightly faster than the stake - the stake Obito threw out of his Kamui dimension. The same objects shown to travel side by side with Madara's yasaka magatamas. The same Magatamas both Onoki and Gaara countered with Golem and sand shield.

Don't even know what the rest of your garbage means. Try to type coherently, as all analyses are supposed to carry this thought of coherence, at least. Edit this, I cannot understand the rest of your post for the life of me.

 

[~Sky~]

Hashirama easily takes this one.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Doesn't have anything to do with Obito, but Kakashi:

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- he is shown to snipe and warp objects faster than the stake Obito threw out, which is why those statements are relevant. Can you even understand English, as I clearly wrote this:



Don't even know what the rest of your garbage means. Try to type coherently, as all analyses are supposed to carry this thought of coherence, at least. Edit this, I cannot understand the rest of your post for the life of me.

So because he warped naruto faster than obito could hit hit him with the stake... it somehow means kakashi's warping speed is as fast as the stake. Even though:
A) said stake already left his eye and was traveling with its own momentum.
B) kakashi was still faster than him and it was to the point where he didn't even see it happen....

This is what I wrote:
Konan stated and proved that obito's phasing speed is faster than obito's warping speed. By assaulting him with paper bombs she was able to keep him from warping but she couldn't stop him from phasing. Therefore phasing speed> warping speed.
She also said it takes longer for him to warp himself than it does for him to warp others. Therefore warping others> warping himself.
Madara attacked him and he phased maddy's attack but when he tried to warp self he was stopped by black balls.and had to block. Phasing> warping others> warping himself. Still following?

Here's were kakashi comes in. Kakashi time and time again out sped him. Obito can cancel kakashi's kamui if he catches on to it/ sees it. But twice kakashi was able to use kamui in front of his face and he didn't even see it. So it's safe to conclude that it sits here:
Obito phasing>kakashi warping>=(and that's being generous)> obito warping others> obito warping himself.

 

[shelke]

So because he warped naruto faster than obito could hit hit him with the stake... it somehow means kakashi's warping speed is as fast as the stake. Even though:
A) said stake already left his eye and was traveling with its own momentum.
B) kakashi was still faster than him and it was to the point where he didn't even see it happen....

This is what I wrote:
Konan stated and proved that obito's phasing speed is faster than obito's warping speed. By assaulting him with paper bombs she was able to keep him from warping but she couldn't stop him from phasing. Therefore phasing speed> warping speed.
She also said it takes longer for him to warp himself than it does for him to warp others. Therefore warping others> warping himself.
Madara attacked him and he phased maddy's attack but when he tried to warp self he was stopped by black balls.and had to block. Phasing> warping others> warping himself. Still following?

Here's were kakashi comes in. Kakashi time and time again out sped him. Obito can cancel kakashi's kamui if he catches on to it/ sees it. But twice kakashi was able to use kamui in front of his face and he didn't even see it. So it's safe to conclude that it sits here:
Obito phasing>kakashi warping>=(and that's being generous)> obito warping others> obito warping himself.

I don't care about your own interpretations. Obito's statement holds and that's that. BM Naruto didn't react first, it was Bee who intercepted the Large Shurikens and got his tails cut as well, giving Naruto ample room to grab them. It proves that they are fast, just not as fast as one would think. Why do keep bringing Konan into this? This has nothing to do with Konan's analysis which highlighted the difference between Obito's Intangibility and his object or self warping speed, both of which are slower than Intangibility. How does that analogy fit Kakashi?

Obito was fooled:

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- He thought Naruto was a Kage-Bushin and Kakashi Kamuied the Rasangan. I love how you ignore that this was never a one on one battle, where Gai and Naruto were both providing distractions for Kakashi. Give me a break. Naruto even created a Bijuu Dama as an additional distraction for kakashi to avail the moment again -

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This proves that kakashi only accomplished what he did because of distractions and nothing more. His Kamui being this instant snipe technique is nonsense -

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- Kakashi's warp point appears here. Meanwhile Minato throws his Kunai and enters his slugish SM - the warp point is still present, as Obito is shown walking towards Madara with the warp point on him - the 'tap tap' signs prove so. Yet he still has to warp Obito.

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- His Kamui is cancelled at the bottom right page. Instant indeed.

Wait what? Obito warping himself is slower than Kakashi's? Lol The Guy whom karin couldn't even detect when he warped himself and Sasuke away - She thought he had simply vanished? He dodged KCM Naruto's point-blank blitz by warping himself away? Lol Yet the manga shows that his warp-point couldn't even vanish Obito, given the latter a sizable time to cancel his. Wow!

P.s: Hashirama wins without any effort at all. He can start the battle with Genjutsu as well - the darkness Genjutsu he used against Sarutobi.

 

[Enki420]

Why don't you read his reply.

-Clones aren't doing anything to Kakashi.

Scan is used as evidence.

-Hence my reply.

ahahahah preposterous at best! care to explain how are scans of Edo super madara are proof of anything to do with kakashi? You clearly ignoring the fact that kakashi isnt on the same power level as madara ever before the edo.

Are any of those faster than Kamui? Nope. So Hashirama loses.

ahahahah and your talking about the same kamui that has never actually killed a single person! once again he couldn't kill pain, sauske, or even Deidara with it so i fail to see how it stops hashirama the strongest ninja according to madara. Kakashi hasnt even used it to kill a single person with it during the 4th ninja war. So all the talk about how he solos with it is ridiculous

 

[Minator93]

Kakashi wins low diff U_U