[VS] Hashirama vs Kabuto

[blazekev90]

Well looks like Blazekev is going to throw the "character development" or anything related to the character off-panel, and play the "feat" card.

- Hiruzen has seals

- Minato has seals

- Tobirama has seals

- Hashirama doesn't have seals, despite being unparralled in his time and being the "ultimate Shinobi" oh lets not even forget that he was the one sealing away bijuus.

F*ck character development in the story.


Clearly you failed to read the post carefully.

" The sealing technique he was going to use on Madara but then ran out of chakra"

Hiruzen sealing feat he learned from Minato? -_-

Minato seals he credited his wife for? -_-

Tobirama is the genius here, but i still don't him having the ability to seal an opponent.

Hashirama was born with a gift. That's about it.

No matter how much you try to hype the situation, he hasn't displayed this ability. Would you like us create an imaginary sealing ability for him?

 

[KingHashirama]

As in: he wrote it down.

You say wrote it down, Manga and databook say "sealed" ....... Come on dude, pretty sure they are smart enough to know the difference between "seal" and "writing it down".

Notice the Scrolls Name "Scroll of SEALS".

Hiruzen sealing feat he learned from Minato? -_-

Minato seals he credited his wife for? -_-

Tobirama is the genius here, but i still don't him having the ability to seal an opponent.

Hashirama was born with a gift. That's about it.

No matter how much you try to hype the situation, he hasn't displayed this ability. Would you like us create an imaginary sealing ability for him?

- Dude he knows bunch more..
- He learned from his wife.. shinobi learn.. and his wife.. the person he was friends with since being a kid.. come on now
- Yes because he would create Edo tensei without having to seal them away..
- Born with a gift, are you referring to having the element that no one has, and then having to create jutsus for it?

Understand the definition of hype and how manga works. You are never going to be spoon-fed everything to you about the character's abilities in the manga. The writer gives the readers clues and hints so they can use their brain to make a logical reasoning. Author shows only what needs to be shown. His sealing abilities never had the chance to be shown.

Well considering the fact this is an imaginary fight, yea he would have imaginary sealing ability.

 

[blazekev90]

@Bold is false.

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He sealed away jutsus.. but doesn't have sealing techs...

Jman sealed away jutsu toi. What's your point?

 

[KingHashirama]

Jman sealed away jutsu toi. What's your point?

Which jutsu was that? And are you now claiming Jiraiya can't seal?

I guess Hashirama can't use his right leg to jump on top of the wood dragon, because it ain't been shown. Correct? Or he can't use Jukai Kouton on top of the wood dragon, because its a combo that hasn't been shown.

If we talk about things being shown, then Kabuto's army loses pretty bad.

And i'm not here talking against Kabuto... but agreeing with a statement he already made regarding himself and Hashirama.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

You say wrote it down, Manga and databook say "sealed" ....... Come on dude, pretty sure they are smart enough to know the difference between "seal" and "writing it down".

Notice the Scrolls Name "Scroll of SEALS".

When Hashirama can flatten them with enough force to put down the Juubi, stronger than the weaker version that casually flicked away Bijuu Dama, do you honestly care? [

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If Hashirama does that, or puts them to sleep, or drags them under ground with tree roots, they aren't coming back.

 

[KingHashirama]

When Hashirama can flatten them with enough force to put down the Juubi, stronger than the weaker version that casually flicked away Bijuu Dama, do you honestly care? [

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If Hashirama does that, or puts them to sleep, or drags them under ground with tree roots, they aren't coming back.

Well as far as this fight is concerned, he can end it within few minutes by simply finding out where Kabuto and is and spamming flower tree world, and then taking him out.

But i like arguing for a good topic, helps you learn new stuff. For example, you just showed me that there was a mistranslation. And you know all that good stuff.

The fact they don't have MAdara's eyes .. is already their downfall. The guy can create Gamabunta sized hand within the blink of an eye.

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[TheAncientCenturion]

I believe Kabuto has a shot against bare Hashirama solely due to his mokuton poison.


With Edo Tensei Hashirama is stomped, the Akatsuki and former Kage alone as edo's is formidable. Add in Madara and his loss is reassured.

 

[blazekev90]

Which jutsu was that? And are you now claiming Jiraiya can't seal?

I guess Hashirama can't use his right leg to jump on top of the wood dragon, because it ain't been shown. Correct? Or he can't use Jukai Kouton on top of the wood dragon, because its a combo that hasn't been shown.

If we talk about things being shown, then Kabuto's army loses pretty bad.

And i'm not here talking against Kabuto... but agreeing with a statement he already made regarding himself and Hashirama.

*Sign* i really don't miss Hashirama threads -_-

He sealed amatersu bro. Used a sealing scrolled, sealed the jutsu. That's not really a sealing ability/jutsu

That's a horrible example to back-up your claim.

Listen to Kaant, he probably wouldn't need the feat anyway.

@Kaant those gates seemed designed for larger targets. When he used them on Obito he stacked multiple of them. Idk what a single gate would against Kage level shinobi honestly. I don't see it handling Nagato, Itachi, Deidara. Dan would fly thru it. It's a lot to take into account.

 

[KingHashirama]

*Sign* i really don't miss Hashirama threads -_-

He sealed amatersu bro. Used a sealing scrolled, sealed the jutsu. That's not really a sealing ability/jutsu

That's a horrible example to back-up your claim.

Listen to Kaant, he probably wouldn't need the feat anyway.

@Kaant those gates seemed designed for larger targets. When he used them on Obito he stacked multiple of them. Idk what a single gate would against Kage level shinobi honestly. I don't see it handling Nagato, Itachi, Deidara. Dan would fly thru it. It's a lot to take into account.

Jiraiya:

- countered Oro's seal
- deduced Naruto's seal
- made the sealing tag for Naruto
- The jutsu "Fire sealing method" is classified as Fuinjutsu o-o

o-o Also, no need for the "sighing" we are simply having a conversation/argument.

Andd I do agree with Kaant, and already made the point that no one has the Eyes to keep up with Hashirama.

And i really don't see how thats a bad example, it would be a bad example if you could counter it. But the fact is you can't, and it proves the way you are thinking regarding the whole "sealing" thing wrong also.

Furthermore, why "sigh" when you are the one arguing against what Kabuto believes regarding him and Hashirama. Its idiotic as me trying to put Hashirama > Obito- jinchuriki... no.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

*Sign* i really don't miss Hashirama threads -_-

He sealed amatersu bro. Used a sealing scrolled, sealed the jutsu. That's not really a sealing ability/jutsu

That's a horrible example to back-up your claim.

Listen to Kaant, he probably wouldn't need the feat anyway.

@Kaant those gates seemed designed for larger targets. When he used them on Obito he stacked multiple of them. Idk what a single gate would against Kage level shinobi honestly. I don't see it handling Nagato, Itachi, Deidara. Dan would fly thru it. It's a lot to take into account.

That's because Obito had the Juubi inside him.

Deidara gets smacked out the sky, Nagato gets pined, Itachi gets squashed unless Yata is out.
Dan's ghost cannot fly through barriers and the like, so he doesn't factor much.

I believe Kabuto has a shot against bare Hashirama solely due to his mokuton poison.


With Edo Tensei Hashirama is stomped, the Akatsuki and former Kage alone as edo's is formidable. Add in Madara and his loss is reassured.

I'm doubtful it'll work on Hashirama. Plus there's no facts on how it's administered.

The only way Kabuto wins is if Edo Madara and the other Zombies are involved. If not, it's an absolute stomp by Hashirama.

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Let's not forget guys that the wood dragon absorbs chakra, meaning the amount of fodders with infinite chakra quantify as an all you can eat buffet for Hashirama.

 

[blazekev90]

Jiraiya:

- countered Oro's seal
- deduced Naruto's seal
- made the sealing tag for Naruto
- The jutsu "Fire sealing method" is classified as Fuinjutsu o-o

o-o Also, no need for the "sighing" we are simply having a conversation/argument.

Andd I do agree with Kaant, and already made the point that no one has the Eyes to keep up with Hashirama.

And i really don't see how thats a bad example, it would be a bad example if you could counter it. But the fact is you can't, and it proves the way you are thinking regarding the whole "sealing" thing wrong also.

Furthermore, why "sigh" when you are the one arguing against what Kabuto believes regarding him and Hashirama. Its idiotic as me trying to put Hashirama > Obito- jinchuriki... no.

The only thing I'm arguing against are the imaginary sealing feats you're referring to.

@Deidara blows it up. Whether he uses himself against team Kakashi or another.
-ST should be able to remove that
-Itachi has activated susnaoo in lightning type speed before. So i don't see that being an issue.
-I'm not certain as to how it'll restrict his jutsu.
-Also, i wouldn't completely nuke the wood poison argument.

Lol

 

[HiddenSound]

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, still not a threat to Hashirama.

Good thing his Edo army is not alive.

OT: Kabuto high dif.

 

[Haizaki]

The only problem is that Hashirama doesn't have a sealing jutsu. If that wasn't the case, he puts every single person to sleep.

SS comes out and destroys them all.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Kabuto's Edo's are fodder to Hashirama with Madara restricted, they all get squashed by Shinsuusenju

The only problem is that Hashirama doesn't have a sealing jutsu. If that wasn't the case, he puts every single person to sleep.

SS comes out and destroys them all.

Or he drops a gate on their head and calls it a day.

 

[Dark Riku]

Kabuto has his chances against him.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Kabuto wins without Edo Tensei, with extreme diff.

1.) It was confirmed that Kabuto could always manipulate to cells of Zetsu inside of him[

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With this said, I could argue, that he can applied Hashirama in his stomach, just like how he manipulated Madara's cells to work and what he did to Sasuke. But I won't use this argument here, as people will have a hard time to believe he can apply it to himself. And also the fact that using Mokuton to fight another user/ orignal, is pretty useless.

But, I can use the argument, that Kabuto can always form the embodiment of Zetsu. What is Zetsu support going to do against Hashirama? Well only its defensive ability.

We have witness Zetsu's ability to even transport Mayfly to a Mokuton that he didn't even cast[

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The main arguments people use of Hashirama, overwhelming the opponent, is now not a working tactic here. And with this support and can continuously engage/pressure Hashirama without worrying about getting overwelmed. And with a "second hand" and snake stomach support Kabuto's attacks will eventually land, which will be too lethal to take.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Lel at Nagato even threatening Hashirama.

 

[VongolaX]

Hashirama of course... 0_o

Just like KingHashirama posted, he was able to seal justus away etc. His brother who holds ftg and edo tensei, was yet stilll inferior to him.

Kabuto already praised him for being the strongest shinobi alive, which is including Kabuto himself.

 

[lelerskates]

Intel: None for Hashi/ Full for Kabuto
Conditions: Kabuto is in DSM and has ET ready, Hashirama is in SM
Restrictions: Previous Kages/Madara
Location: Limestone cave

So let me get this straight. You give Kabuto full knowledge AND his edos and give Hashi none. The one-sidedness is OP. Give Hashi full knowledge and let Kabuto keep Edo and Hashi stomps him before any edos are summoned.

 

[Koro]

Hashirama fodderizes.