Hashirama vs Joki Boi

[Scooby Doo]

Hashirama still wins.

 

[Curse Mark]

I think Kratos was saying regardless of whether it was offscreen or not- whatever Hashi did to catch madara can be done here...

 

[Lord Tywin]

Thanks for letting me know your one of the 99% percent. Now I know not to take the statistics seriously, as I know idiots are among them.

The thing is that even the idiots know Hashirama shitstomps Mizukage or Joki boy. I don't know what your case is...

Except we seen scans blowing up restricted so your point makes no sense. @Bold never denied nor is it relevant. Again you can't knock out something with no brain, to put in coma. Use some logic. Theres no "immediate" chakra drainer in Hashirama's jutsu, manga says it continually saps the users chakra. A restricted Joki was still able to shakes its body, therefore blows up the binding dragon before its capable of running it dry from chakra.

Again, the only time we've seen Joki boy exploding without any movement is the moment it first came up. Every explosion afterwards required great deal of movement.

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And look at Joki boy getting smaller after the explosion, which makes it a child's play for Hashirama to catch with mokuton. And foh with the wank for its explosion. The biggest explosion from Joki boy was tanked by Gaara's sand

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And you think this explosion is going to hinder Tree world? Or flower tree world? Or wood dragon? Bruh log out

And wtf does it matter if the chakra draining ability of wood dragon isn't instant? It was absorbing Naruto's kurama avatar fairly quickly. Unless you're going to outdo yourself and tell me Joki boy has more chakra than half of kurama?
Logging out won't suffice. You should ask an admin to delete your account tbh. smh

It catches Joki Boi and blows up its restraint, then resets. Since when can FTW sucks out chakra? @Bold is why I can't take your arguments seriously. Your actually claiming that 1.) Joki has human anatomy 2.) Your arguing Hozuki KKG can get hurt/die from physical damage.

The explosion isn't going to put a dent on flower tree world or wood dragon. BM Naruto couldn't defeat it with brute strength, and joki boy lacks feats that lets him damage wood dragon. And its tiny ass explosion isn't doing much to ftw.
But lets throw out the sword arguement

1. Irrelevant that gives you no right to makes up speed feats. You dont know how Hashirama did it exactly off screen. So dont make up scenarios and claim " it just ran up to Madara, and Madara couldn't react".

Can this guy get any more ridiculous? However much difficulty Hashirama had to catch Madara with the dragon, he will have far easier time to catch Joki boy with it.

2. Irrelevant based on the fact that Joki can blow up with limited movement.

Proven false and bullshit

3. Thats its choice in the manga, that doesn't give you the right to exclude feats we outright witness in the manga.

have shown concrete example of Joki boy requiring tremendous amount of movement to explode after being summoned

Exactly how I feel when arguing against someone who thinks Hozuki lose by cut/damage or blunt/physical force Lol

You're honestly the most delusional person on the base :lol

I think Kratos was saying regardless of whether it was offscreen or not- whatever Hashi did to catch madara can be done here...

He probably gonna come out and say Joki boy is faster than madara in speed and reaction lmao

 

[KingHashirama]

Locks him inside Hobi , and lets him blow up. Covers Hobi up with more defensive layers. And then done.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The thing is that even the idiots know Hashirama shitstomps Mizukage or Joki boy. I don't know what your case is...

Thats because idiots dont follow rules and stipulation when seeing an unfair fight. Theyre quick to retaliate like a fool. Thats my point of view

Again, the only time we've seen Joki boy exploding without any movement is the moment it first came up. Every explosion afterwards required great deal of movement.

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@Bold, Because thats its a freaking choice. And dont even sneak in page 13 to try and justify its time with the rest of the scans. Page 9 and 13 shows it literally takes less then 2 leaps to expand/great amount of built up when it wanted too. And pg 13 literally was just after it just finishing exploding! And your arguing that it only takes great amount of movements lol, foh.

And look at Joki boy getting smaller after the explosion, which makes it a child's play for Hashirama to catch with mokuton.

Except thats when its at its best movement speed. So baseless claim is baseless.

And foh with the wank for its explosion. The biggest explosion from Joki boy was tanked by Gaara's sand

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And you think this explosion is going to hinder Tree world? Or flower tree world?

Lmao first of all, the explosion werent direct hits and they only took partials parts of the explosion. And we seen the first time obliterating sand pyridmid which is one of Gaara most dense/hard sand he produces:

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something that needed Alive Madara V3 Susanoo to break out.

Yet this fool thinks these Mokuton branches tanks, when it could just take human body to snap it apart just by crashing on it[

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Or wood dragon? Bruh log out

And wtf does it matter if the chakra draining ability of wood dragon isn't instant? It was absorbing Naruto's kurama avatar fairly quickly. Unless you're going to outdo yourself and tell me Joki boy has more chakra than half of kurama?
Logging out won't suffice. You should ask an admin to delete your account tbh. smh

Dont bring irrelevant scenarios to support your point. Manga outright states that Mokuton is Buijuu power weakness. Manga outright shows you can't compare a Buijuu chakra drain to a normal chakra human via Bee and Guy. So chakra quantity/quality is irrelevant. Being funny isnt helping your arguments.

The explosion isn't going to put a dent on flower tree world or wood dragon. BM Naruto couldn't defeat it with brute strength, and joki boy lacks feats that lets him damage wood dragon. And its tiny ass explosion isn't doing much to ftw.
But lets throw out the sword argument

Overates FTW durability. Compares Kurama bits to explosions. Says Joki Boi explosion is tiny, when the blast force has gone further past sand pyramid and further range then the size of Buijuus.

This isn't the only argument you need to throw out. Try all of it.

Can this guy get any more ridiculous? However much difficulty Hashirama had to catch Madara with the dragon, he will have far easier time to catch Joki boy with it.

What kind of logic is this? Both Madara and Hashirama has shown to worn each other out, to the point where they can hardly move, and your claiming this to something that has no restrictions in stamina. Lol this dude.

Proven false and bullshit


have shown concrete example of Joki boy requiring tremendous amount of movement to explode after being summoned

Proven that you have selective reading.

You're honestly the most delusional person on the base :lol

He probably gonna come out and say Joki boy is faster than madara in speed and reaction lmao

When one runs out of arguments and proven wrong. Save face lmao

 

[Lord Tywin]

Thats because idiots dont follow rules and stipulation when seeing an unfair fight. Theyre quick to retaliate like a fool. Thats my point of view

EjB, do yourself a favor and go back and look at the damn thread you made yourself. What did you restrict from Hashirama besides SM? What does giving Joki boy Gengetsu's feats even accomplish against an opponent so far above him, Joki boy might as well shit bricks? If you could think for a moment you would immediately see where you're wrong, and why everyone calls you a dumbass.

@Bold, Because thats its a freaking choice. And dont even sneak in page 13 to try and justify its time with the rest of the scans. Page 9 and 13 shows it literally takes less then 2 leaps to expand/great amount of built up when it wanted too. And pg 13 literally was just after it just finishing exploding! And your arguing that it only takes great amount of movements lol, foh.

What choice? :lol fact coming straight out of Onoki's mouth says Joki needs movement to explode. More facts say that the greater the movement, the greater the explosion. Look at the distance between joki and Gaara is all I'm gonna say. Joki boy exploded then MOVED again and reached Mizukage in top of sand pyramid. Then it moved again to reach Gaara and it got huge. So yes, it needs a great deal of movement.

Except thats when its at its best movement speed. So baseless claim is baseless.

Except it ****ing can't escape Hashirama's range. Give joki Ay's v2 level of speed and it still can't escape Hashirama's massive range. So not really, all you're doing is assuming shit out of your ass. One of the reasons I called you delusional.

Lmao first of all, the explosion werent direct hits and they only took partials parts of the explosion. And we seen the first time obliterating sand pyridmid which is one of Gaara most dense/hard sand he produces:

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something that needed Alive Madara V3 Susanoo to break out.

Yet this fool thinks these Mokuton branches tanks, when it could just take human body to snap it apart just by crashing on it[

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Smh the explosion literally happened behind Gaara's mother sand monument. I know you can't read for shit and simple images look different to you, but damn
1. sand pyramid isn't more durable than wood dragon
2. If joki boy destroys a small portion of FTW or TW, it gets caught by the rest of it.
3. The same V3 Susano face planted on the ground by a single tail from BM Naruto, while Wood dragon was subduing the same Naruto.
4. Go look at wood dragon subduing full kurama for a short while, which shits all over you and your garbage of an argument.

Dont bring irrelevant scenarios to support your point. Manga outright states that Mokuton is Buijuu power weakness. Manga outright shows you can't compare a Buijuu chakra drain to a normal chakra human via Bee and Guy. So chakra quantity/quality is irrelevant. Being funny isnt helping your arguments.

Manga also shows Hashirama absorbing Madara's chakra, which stopped him from doing anything. So please gtfo with your dyslexia

Overates FTW durability. Compares Kurama bits to explosions. Says Joki Boi explosion is tiny, when the blast force has gone further past sand pyramid and further range then the size of Buijuus.

Sure joke can destroy some branches from FTW. Then the rest of it shits all over it.
As long as Kurama's physical strength deals more damage than joki's explosion, in going to do so
Yhe explosion is tiny and shit compared to what Hashirama can make

This isn't the only argument you need to throw out. Try all of it.

Im just waiting to see if your idiotic threads and arguments would ever reach their ends.

What kind of logic is this? Both Madara and Hashirama has shown to worn each other out, to the point where they can hardly move, and your claiming this to something that has no restrictions in stamina. Lol this dude.

sigh are you saying Hashirama can't worn Joki out? And you know you can't prove for shit Joki boy has unlimited stamina? Or do you know when Hashirama absorbs joki's chakra it won't function the same? Are you feeling extra retarded or it's a usual thing? Or is it periodical? Seasonal? EJB please save yourself.

Proven that you have selective reading.



When one runs out of arguments and proven wrong. Save face lmao

Proven that you're dyslexic
Proven than you are delusional
Next time we'll probably find out you're blind, which would explain all of this garbage we're seeing

 

[Curse Mark]

Thats because idiots dont follow rules and stipulation when seeing an unfair fight. Theyre quick to retaliate like a fool. Thats my point of view



@Bold, Because thats its a freaking choice. And dont even sneak in page 13 to try and justify its time with the rest of the scans. Page 9 and 13 shows it literally takes less then 2 leaps to expand/great amount of built up when it wanted too. And pg 13 literally was just after it just finishing exploding! And your arguing that it only takes great amount of movements lol, foh.



Except thats when its at its best movement speed. So baseless claim is baseless.




Lmao first of all, the explosion werent direct hits and they only took partials parts of the explosion. And we seen the first time obliterating sand pyridmid which is one of Gaara most dense/hard sand he produces:

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something that needed Alive Madara V3 Susanoo to break out.

Yet this fool thinks these Mokuton branches tanks, when it could just take human body to snap it apart just by crashing on it[

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Dont bring irrelevant scenarios to support your point. Manga outright states that Mokuton is Buijuu power weakness. Manga outright shows you can't compare a Buijuu chakra drain to a normal chakra human via Bee and Guy. So chakra quantity/quality is irrelevant. Being funny isnt helping your arguments.




Overates FTW durability. Compares Kurama bits to explosions. Says Joki Boi explosion is tiny, when the blast force has gone further past sand pyramid and further range then the size of Buijuus.

This isn't the only argument you need to throw out. Try all of it.




What kind of logic is this? Both Madara and Hashirama has shown to worn each other out, to the point where they can hardly move, and your claiming this to something that has no restrictions in stamina. Lol this dude.



Proven that you have selective reading.



When one runs out of arguments and proven wrong. Save face lmao

Shit this is bad.

Just starting from what you said about the sand not tanking a direct hit. When it clearly did.

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About those humans "falling" through mokuton branches- they were swatted down by a V3 susanno. They did not fall.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Shit this is bad.

Just starting from what you said about the sand not tanking a direct hit. When it clearly did.

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About those humans "falling" through mokuton branches- they were swatted down by a V3 susanno. They did not fall.

Direct hit: "an instance in which a shell or bomb actually strikes something and destroys or damages it (as opposed to landing close to it and destroying or damaging it by its blast, fragments etc) ⇒ The dug-outs were secure from everything but a direct hit., ⇒ The building had taken a direct hit from a 500 lb bomb."

This is what is considered a direct hit[

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What your showing me is something that took partial damage from the blast range, being near by. What are you seeing "clearly" here?

@Bold That wasnt the point how exactly how it happened. Kratos tried to claim Mokuton tanks Joki from a baseless claim and I pointed out how his overrating.

Ill deal with Kratos kid stupid post when I get the time.

 

[Lord Tywin]

I'm looking forward to some more fabrication smh

 

[Curse Mark]

Direct hit: "an instance in which a shell or bomb actually strikes something and destroys or damages it (as opposed to landing close to it and destroying or damaging it by its blast, fragments etc) ⇒ The dug-outs were secure from everything but a direct hit., ⇒ The building had taken a direct hit from a 500 lb bomb."

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What your showing me is something that took partial damage from the blast range, being near by. What are you seeing "clearly" here?

@Bold That wasnt the point how exactly how it happened. Kratos tried to claim Mokuton tanks Joki from a baseless claim and I pointed out how his overrating.

Ill deal with Kratos kid stupid post when I get the time.

Uhhhh.... Maybe the pretty colors can help you get that it was a direct hit.

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[Brother Numpsay]

Uhhhh.... Maybe the pretty colors can help you get that it was a direct hit.

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I suggest you read the whole chapter.

1. Gaara held Joki off, not mothersand, as mothersand was behind the SA not personally touching Joki itself.
2. Shinobi Alliance (SA) runs away from the area before it explodes.
3. Post- Explosion, Gaara set up a defenseto the last spot SA were located.
4. Gaara was also on the floor, hiding waiting for an opening.
5. Gaara-clone engaged the location where Joki blew up.

6.Dont see how you think this indicates a direct hit when we witness Sand pyramid getting obliterated the first time and the second time only taking partial damage.

7. Why the hell would Joki boi directly blow up Mizukage if he was in range for a direct hit?

 

[Curse Mark]

I suggest you read the whole chapter.

1. Gaara held Joki off, not mothersand, as mothersand was behind the SA not personally touching Joki itself.
2. Shinobi Alliance (SA) runs away from the area before it explodes.
3. Post- Explosion, Gaara set up a defenseto the last spot SA were located.
4. Gaara was also on the floor, hiding waiting for an opening.
5. Gaara-clone engaged the location where Joki blew up.

6.Dont see how you think this indicates a direct hit when we witness Sand pyramid getting obliterated the first time and the second time only taking partial damage.

7. Why the hell would Joki boi directly blow up Mizukage if he was in range for a direct hit?

You can see Joki boy landing in the crowd of people. His impact sends a few people flying and as he explodes he is surrounded by shinobi.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You can see Joki boy landing in the crowd of people. His impact sends a few people flying and as he explodes he is surrounded by shinobi.

dk, thats just one scenario playing in that panel, the next panel shows whats happening next.

1. Just as you stated above. Notice no sand was attach to Joki Boi yet.
2. Next panel, they start running, so obviously the ones that are getting up are part of the ones trying to escape the blast range. And we seen Gaara closer range then the rest of the SA + the fact he is beginning to attach sand to hold it off.

3. My pointers draws out the whole scenario, you cant miss it.

 

[Curse Mark]

I can't do this anymore. You can see him exploding surrounded by people who are running. Clearly its too late for them by that point. They were all still right there as it exploded.

 

[NarutoX28]

1. Understood, was just making a point.

2. Irrelevant based on the scans I provided of Joki having nearly no movement inside Sand Burial+Pyramid. As long as it can shake itself its good to go.

The only reason Joki Boy managed to expand is because his exterior is composed of oil which meant that he easily weakened the pressure of Gaara's sand which enabled him to move around. He doesn't have that advantage with Hashirama's Mokuton which had the power to restrain one of the arms of Madara's PS. No way is Joki Boy who possess no feats in physical strength is going to managed to break free of Hashirama's Mokuton's grasp.

Edit: Wait, I misunderstood you, but Joki Boy could've had movement within the Sand Pyramid is possible due to what I explained before.

3. Same as 2.

Refuted #2.

4. Agreed, never denied that. I was just making a point that sapping its chakra shouldnt be enough to completly nullify it based on Guy being able to built chakra up to used 7 Gates. Its shouldnt be difficult for Joki to Shake itself till its capable of blowing up.

Madara never used Wood Dragon on Gai.

It should if Hashirama's Mokuton has the physical power to restrain Full Kurama for a short period of time and is capable of rivaling Madara's PS.

Not talking about AoE Mokuton, buts its "entity" constructs. Joki was fast enough to outspeed Gaara sand control and its auto deference. Which only well known speedster are known to accomplish.

Hashirama's Flower Tree World was stated to have formed an entire forest in an instant which even Raikage made very little reaction against, managed to capture and restrain Edo Madara, and Hashirama even managed summon multiple Mokuton constructs surrounding Madara's PS in a mere instant. Joki Boy isn't outrunning that.

Outrunning Gaara's sand =/= Outmaneuvering Hashirama's Mokuton

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I can't do this anymore. You can see him exploding surrounded by people who are running. Clearly its too late for them by that point. They were all still right there as it exploded.

1.THEN why the hell are you arguing that its a direct hit dk? We see Joki landing created clouded, gust, whatever.
The gust is behind the SA. SA are in front of the clouds running away, in the drawing. This drawing indicates they are moving away from Joki's range, as they are not inside the gust its landing created. That alone shows that explosion didnt set them off at point blank on them. The sand holding off Joki is in the different location then MotherSheild blocking them. Gaara SAND TOOK AoE damaged NOT POINT DIRECT HIT

2. Going to repeat myself one more time. How the hell are you arguing something that took partial range (Mother Shield and Sand Pyramid being in-between) of the blast, with partial damage, to a "pointblank/direc hit" here at this point?? When we have feats of Joki capable of obliterating Pyramid point blank inside it in the first place?

Your illustration doesnt makes sense, mine does, and it was animated just the way its was shown in the manga (or how Im reading it).

The only reason Joki Boy managed to expand is because his exterior is composed of oil which meant that he easily weakened the pressure of Gaara's sand which enabled him to move around. He doesn't have that advantage with Hashirama's Mokuton which had the power to restrain one of the arms of Madara's PS. No way is Joki Boy who possess no feats in physical strength is going to managed to break free of Hashirama's Mokuton's grasp.

Edit: Wait, I misunderstood you, but Joki Boy could've had movement within the Sand Pyramid is possible due to what I explained before.

The oil can play the same factor when needing to slough off against WD. It might not work in escaping WD2 grip, but still gives him movement to struggle(movement), expand and explode.

Madara never used Wood Dragon on Gai.

Depending on the interpreter. I have seen someone debated that the Mokuton tree that caught Gyuuki and Guy, is the tail part of W.D going underneath and attach its self.

It should if Hashirama's Mokuton has the physical power to restrain Full Kurama for a short period of time and is capable of rivaling Madara's PS.

Your confusing me which WD is being used in your arguments. Addressed them separately. Other then that refer to above.

Hashirama's Flower Tree World was stated to have formed an entire forest in an instant which even Raikage made very little reaction against, managed to capture and restrain Edo Madara, and Hashirama even managed summon multiple Mokuton constructs surrounding Madara's PS in a mere instant. Joki Boy isn't outrunning that.

... I already told you Joki isn't escaping AoE Mokuton...

Outrunning Gaara's sand =/= Outmaneuvering Hashirama's Mokuton

Strictly talking about branches personally engaging Joki, not the AoE itself. Examples[

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[Curse Mark]

I said I give up man. It should be clear Mother Shield stopped that blast.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I said I give up man. It should be clear Mother Shield stopped that blast.

Yes it did, so why are you saying I was wrong that it didnt take full area of the blast force?

 

[-immortal-]

Why did you make such a useless thread
We all know hashirama easily, easily low diffs

 

[Curse Mark]

Yes it did, so why are you saying I was wrong that it didnt take full area of the blast force?

Taking full area of blast force =/= taking a direct hit